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it'd be dumb if do4m had a story segment at the end of every level but not "this game is awful," it'd still be one of the best games to come out in 2016, what the gently caress
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Forced story poo poo is the worst in FPSes where story doesn't loving matter much at all. So the fact that Doom 4 barely had them and wanted the momentum to never let up made it all the sweeter.
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My take is that if something is the most amazing new game of the past half-decade or so, which DOOM pretty much is for me, then a game that's 90% as good would still be a pretty good game. Obviously you're entitled to disagree but my gaming life would be pretty empty if I went around purity testing the way you folks seem to.
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Mar 2, 2019 18:33
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The Doom 4 we got lost an entire 1 point on a 10 point scale with me for just for that single exposition closet. I'm pretty extreme in my attitude, I'll admit that, but if you had a Doom 4 where that occurred dozens of times you would not end up with a good game that people uniformly praise. Think about old games that couldn't stick to the genre they are and so people have to couch any praise of the game and recommendations with that knowledge. Thats what would happen except possibly worse because its happening with non-gameplay.
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Mar 2, 2019 18:37
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If i had the money i would bring back telltale just to do one telltale doom game to spite this thread
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i must be the only rear end in a top hat that played this game and found the super shotgun underwhelming One of the signs of an impending stroke is incoherent speech
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If Doom 2016 had the exact same gameplay but two more hours of story/cutscenes, it’d still be an amazing game. I could never imagine being so pedantic as to go “another cutscene?! gently caress this game!” And then not playing it. Everyone’s got their own take and I’m definitely probably in the minority, but generally if I love a game, I barely think of it’s shortcomings. Granted, that also means I’d make a pretty lovely reviewer. I’d give Elite Dangerous a 90+ score because I can play it in VR and it’s fun as gently caress, while I’d be overlooking how much grind and repetition it had.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:If i had the money i would bring back telltale just to do one telltale doom game to spite this thread Someone photoshop an imp in doomguy's hands with RIP to the left and TEAR to the right. The imp won't remember that
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Barudak posted:The Doom 4 we got lost an entire 1 point on a 10 point scale with me for just for that single exposition closet. I'm pretty extreme in my attitude, I'll admit that, but if you had a Doom 4 where that occurred dozens of times you would not end up with a good game that people uniformly praise. Think about old games that couldn't stick to the genre they are and so people have to couch any praise of the game and recommendations with that knowledge. Thats what would happen except possibly worse because its happening with non-gameplay. I just replayed Half-Life 2 and the episodes (admittedly with a combat rebalance mod) and they're still really loving good. So is Wolfenstein TNO.
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Barudak posted:The Doom 4 we got lost an entire 1 point on a 10 point scale with me for just for that single exposition closet. I'm pretty extreme in my attitude, I'll admit that, but if you had a Doom 4 where that occurred dozens of times you would not end up with a good game that people uniformly praise. Think about old games that couldn't stick to the genre they are and so people have to couch any praise of the game and recommendations with that knowledge. Thats what would happen except possibly worse because its happening with non-gameplay. are you that impatient
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General Battuta posted:I just replayed Half-Life 2 and the episodes (admittedly with a combat rebalance mod) and they're still really loving good. So is Wolfenstein TNO. MMod? If so, same.
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Mar 2, 2019 22:15
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I like exposition and story scenes so to me the game would just be better if it had more of it See, kid, everyone is different
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Up Circle posted:are you that impatient The people who act like id came into their house and beat them with a length of rebar because they spent 45 seconds listening to exposition are the most confusing ones in the thread.
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Barudak posted:Doom 2016 has a great story until you get locked in an unskipable room of exposition while you cant do anything and when I didnt get 100% on that level the first time I quit the game for a few weeks because that pissed me off that much. Barudak posted:The Doom 4 we got lost an entire 1 point on a 10 point scale with me for just for that single exposition closet. I'm pretty extreme in my attitude, I'll admit that, but if you had a Doom 4 where that occurred dozens of times you would not end up with a good game that people uniformly praise. Think about old games that couldn't stick to the genre they are and so people have to couch any praise of the game and recommendations with that knowledge. Thats what would happen except possibly worse because its happening with non-gameplay. itt Barudak during that unskippable cutscene: 
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Barudak posted:The Doom 4 we got lost an entire 1 point on a 10 point scale with me for just for that single exposition closet. I'm pretty extreme in my attitude, I'll admit that, but if you had a Doom 4 where that occurred dozens of times you would not end up with a good game that people uniformly praise. Think about old games that couldn't stick to the genre they are and so people have to couch any praise of the game and recommendations with that knowledge. Thats what would happen except possibly worse because its happening with non-gameplay. "The Doom 4 we got lost an entire 1 point on a 10 point scale" would be a reasonable reaction to every single mission having an unskippable exposition closet
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I uninstalled DOOM (2016) the moment the "Doomslayer" fist bumped the little green Doom Marine collectible. I don't have any real issues with DOOM having Doom Marine collectibles scattered around Hell--I found several before that point and didn't think anything of it--but you might say that it ripped and tore my immersion to see the Doomslayer fist bumping a toy. Like, are we to believe that this dude who was buried in a magical sarcophagus for eons knows the cultural relevance of something like that? It was a GOTY contender for me but I downgraded it to a fairly mediocre 8/10 after that experience.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YStrXVGt60w Skip to 1:40, that fatality but Doomguy literally punching a head off and then shaking it from his fist.
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I tensed up during that cutscene because I thought Doom Guy and Robot Guy were going to throw down and I didn't want to get caught by surprise. I walked out of there muttering, "next time". Then the ending cutscene happened and I got real pissed. I'm gonna rip and tear Robot Man apart.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I uninstalled DOOM (2016) the moment the "Doomslayer" fist bumped the little green Doom Marine collectible. I don't have any real issues with DOOM having Doom Marine collectibles scattered around Hell--I found several before that point and didn't think anything of it--but you might say that it ripped and tore my immersion to see the Doomslayer fist bumping a toy. Like, are we to believe that this dude who was buried in a magical sarcophagus for eons knows the cultural relevance of something like that? It was a GOTY contender for me but I downgraded it to a fairly mediocre 8/10 after that experience. I would do this if instead of an on the fly animation that allowed you to continue to move and play the game it broke into a 5 minute exposition with a dialog wheel.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:If i had the money i would bring back telltale just to do one telltale doom game to spite this thread I don't understand why I want to play this.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:itt Barudak during that unskippable cutscene: To be fair, this is exactly what the Doom Slayer should have been doing during that cutscene
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JerryLee posted:To be fair, this is exactly what the Doom Slayer should have been doing during that cutscene He's cool as a cucumber, he's like Jason or something I think. He only throws stuff or smashes it sometimes. You've gotta have just the right balance of menacing coolness and throwing/smashing. I do recall the topic of how mad he is at all times has come up, it's a good debate either way. Oldschool Doomguy looked pretty cool or "frosty" with his looking around raising an eyebrow in classic Doom. Granted he also looks a bit crazy at times.
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Heavy Metal posted:He's cool as a cucumber, he's like Jason or something I think. He only throws stuff or smashes it sometimes. You've gotta have just the right balance of menacing coolness and throwing/smashing. I do recall the topic of how mad he is at all times has come up, it's a good debate either way. Oldschool Doomguy looked pretty cool or "frosty" with his looking around raising an eyebrow in classic Doom. Granted he also looks a bit crazy at times. doomguy has no cool, and his "rested" state is probably not dissimilar to that of a meth addict
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plz dont smoke meth yall
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That's my secret Vega I'm always angry
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I think the secret ingredient to kicking this Doomslayer cosplay recipe up a notch is a little meth to get into his ever-alert and rageful headspace.
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That Hayden sequence owns bones and the game would be worse off without it. They should definitely allow you to skip it on subsequent playthroughs though.
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I hope Doomy Turtle will give us the catharsis of ripping and tearing robo James Spader apart after the blue balls ending to Doom 2016.
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Mar 3, 2019 01:15
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Doom 16' is great and some of you extremists need to go get some perspective.
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General Battuta posted:I just replayed Half-Life 2 and the episodes (admittedly with a combat rebalance mod) and they're still really loving good. So is Wolfenstein TNO. Represent.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I uninstalled DOOM (2016) the moment the "Doomslayer" fist bumped the little green Doom Marine collectible. I don't have any real issues with DOOM having Doom Marine collectibles scattered around Hell--I found several before that point and didn't think anything of it--but you might say that it ripped and tore my immersion to see the Doomslayer fist bumping a toy. Like, are we to believe that this dude who was buried in a magical sarcophagus for eons knows the cultural relevance of something like that? It was a GOTY contender for me but I downgraded it to a fairly mediocre 8/10 after that experience. I just downgraded you to a fairly mediocre buffoon after reading this post
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sebmojo posted:I just downgraded you to a fairly mediocre buffoon after reading this post This is Cream we're talking about, the finest poster on this forum! We've gotta have a retrial here. I think it's a good, funny, humble post.
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Heavy Metal posted:This is Cream we're talking about, the finest poster on this forum! We've gotta have a retrial here. I think it's a good, funny, humble post. Nah it’s too much projecting himself onto doomguy. Trash post, by a trash poster.
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Cream of plenty is right you know. It was one of the few missteps in Doom 2016.
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Cream of Plenty is the forum gift that keeps on giving.
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Guillermus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YStrXVGt60w Insane ultra violence but they bleep the word "gently caress." America 2019
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I actually kind of love how the Doom and Wolfenstein reboots went in complete opposite directions with their respective early-90s ID properties and both made good games. DOOM just focused on having an insanely good fast-paced combat gameplay system that's been optimized to hell and back and actually leaned into making the story comically thin and straight-forward, while Wolfenstein took the most basic and empty of premises and somehow made it a real deep character-driven affecting narrative. And somehow both games work.
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Wolfenstein 2 felt worse after playing Doom. I wanted to doomslay the Nazis, not really the games fault but I couldn't get into it.
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What if the doom eternal version of the secret Wolfenstein levels is doomguy going through a hell portal and meeting BJ in one of the newer Wolfensteins
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