The Horror Thread: Did the whole US throw up?

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Stryder: Oct 3, 2002

The first Godzilla movie I was able to watch in a theater was Godzilla 1985, and I remember it was a Big loving Deal that Raymond Burr was reprising his role from the original (U.S. release). I remember thinking "this is going to be so much better than the Godzilla movies I watch on Creature Double Feature every Saturday afternoon!" Nope. I've never actually seen the Japanese version, which I understand runs a lot longer than the U.S. one.

Edit: A shameful snipe. Here. Have the good parts of the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_-M7wjXh24

Stryder fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Mar 4, 2019

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WeedlordGoku69: Feb 12, 2015; by Cyrano4747

Godzilla 1985 and Return of Godzilla aren't that different. If you hate one, you won't like the other much either.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 22:54

Flying Zamboni: May 7, 2007; but, uh... well, there it is

A vhs recording of the original King Kong was my favorite movie as a child. Between it and Jurassic Park I have grown up to be biased towards movies that feature running around in a jungle with weird creatures. I absolutely loved Skull Island.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 22:57

Stryder: Oct 3, 2002

I guess the part that really disappointed me is that they completely ignored everything between the original film and '85. My favorite kaiju movie as a kid was Ghidora because the more monsters, the better. Plus this is an actual plot point: "Mothra, along with its twin priestesses, attempts to convince Godzilla and Rodan to stop their fighting each other and to team up to fight the new monster." That's awesome.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 22:58

Big Bob Pataki: Jan 23, 2009; The Bob that Refreshes

Final Wars is the best because they decided to have one American character for the big send off to decades of Godzilla movies and they chose Don Frye, an MMA fighter with a thick mustache who talks in one of the thickest Southern accents I've ever heard. Also he has a sword and fights aliens.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:12

Splint Chesthair: Dec 27, 2004

Big Bob Pataki posted:

Final Wars is the best because they decided to have one American character for the big send off to decades of Godzilla movies and they chose Don Frye, an MMA fighter with a thick mustache who talks in one of the thickest Southern accents I've ever heard. Also he has a sword and fights aliens.

Um excuse me Don Frye is NOT the only American character in Final Wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0ED9BB-VA

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:26

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; Feel free to disregard this post.

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.

I guess the only way to go through it is chronologically so I'll start tonight with the first which I don't hink I have ever seen the Japanese version.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:34

Origami Dali: Jan 7, 2005; Get ready to fuck!
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I finally saw Don't Torture a Duckling after meaning to for a couple of decades and good lord it was awful. I got a kick out of that extended dummy shot though, lol god drat.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:35

Basebf555: Feb 29, 2008; The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!; Fun Shoe

Origami Dali posted:

I finally saw Don't Torture a Duckling after meaning to for a couple of decades and good lord it was awful. I got a kick out of that extended dummy shot though, lol god drat.

I didn't think it was awful but I also didn't really understand why it's highly regarded. It seemed pretty average to me. Maybe I should give it another shot, but there's probably like 5+ other Fulci films that I'd rather rewatch.

Big Bob Pataki posted:

Final Wars is the best because they decided to have one American character for the big send off to decades of Godzilla movies and they chose Don Frye, an MMA fighter with a thick mustache who talks in one of the thickest Southern accents I've ever heard. Also he has a sword and fights aliens.

Don Frye was a huge star in Japan though wasn't he? I think he went there and made big money fighting in front of huge stadium crowds so maybe it wasn't so crazy to choose him.

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STAC Goat: Mar 12, 2008; Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
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Samuel Clemens posted:

Godzilla vs. Megalon is peak cinema.

Ok, ok, you convinced me. The Rock should have gotten really big in Rampage.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:49

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Hollismason posted:

Godzilla and Monster movies count as horror

I presented this idea before, but I'm going to go for it again. Horror stops being horror when there is an about equally positive or good force that opposes the villain. A story where the Joker is the only fantastic element is horror, but adding Batman makes it a superhero story.

Godzilla (1954) is a horror movie. Mothra is a horror movie. Mothra vs. Godzilla isn't because there are clear good guy monsters.

I think the American Godzilla reboot is interesting though because it casts Godzilla as the good guy, but in a way that is existentially terrifying.

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Franchescanado: Feb 23, 2013; If it wasn't for disappointment
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What does that make Freddy Vs. Jason?

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:53

Tart Kitty: Dec 17, 2016; Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Franchescanado posted:

What does that make Freddy Vs. Jason?

romcom

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CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

I don�t agree with that horror thing. IT remake is def a horror movie and those kids kick that clown�s rear end at the end and it�s great.

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ruddiger: Jun 3, 2004

Franchescanado posted:

What does that make Freddy Vs. Jason?

Action thriller?

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:57

Franchescanado: Feb 23, 2013; If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment; Grimey Drawer

Fart City posted:

romcom

Jason gets his first kiss in it.

But he's asleep.

Kinda creepy!

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:58

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Timeless Appeal posted:

I presented this idea before, but I'm going to go for it again. Horror stops being horror when there is an about equally positive or good force that opposes the villain. A story where the Joker is the only fantastic element is horror, but adding Batman makes it a superhero story.

Godzilla (1954) is a horror movie. Mothra is a horror movie. Mothra vs. Godzilla isn't because there are clear good guy monsters.

I think the American Godzilla reboot is interesting though because it casts Godzilla as the good guy, but in a way that is existentially terrifying.

by this standard Nightbreed isn't horror

# ? Mar 4, 2019 23:59

STAC Goat: Mar 12, 2008; Watching you sleep.

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CelticPredator posted:

I don�t agree with that horror thing. IT remake is def a horror movie and those kids kick that clown�s rear end at the end and it�s great.

But they're not equals to him until they get their poo poo together at the very end. I would assume that's kind of a necessary part of that theory because lots of horror films end with the good guy overcoming in the end. I would think they just have to be the underdog for it to apply.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

by this standard Nightbreed isn't horror

I mean... Its kind more of a weird monster sex fairy tale.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:02

ruddiger: Jun 3, 2004

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

by this standard Nightbreed isn't horror

I always assumed that since Barker always envisioned Nightbreed as his Star Wars, that he himself would categorize it more in the fantasy genre than horror.

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Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

makes sense, i'm in the "star wars is science fiction" camp too

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:06

Basebf555: Feb 29, 2008; The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!; Fun Shoe

It's true that there are examples of that kind of "horror" movie turning more into an action movie. Like Demon Knight, Legion, and Van Helsing. There's just too many little variations of horror though, you'll never sum it all up on one simple statement like that.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:07

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Horror is the best genre because it could be just a movie about a bunch of young people trapped in a neo nazi bar and be scarier than any supernatural force or slasher character.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:11

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Basebf555 posted:

There's just too many little variations of horror though, you'll never sum it all up on one simple statement like that.

Yeah, like look, I'm not trying to overly simplify. Like I said, Godzilla (2014) is complicated because Godzilla is both the good guy and by extension totally correct in indirectly killing hundreds of people because we're trash who gently caress up the planet and make abominations. It gets into existential terror of the notion that the Earth does have a guardian--but that guardian is loving Godzilla.

There are movies that straddle the line and genre can never really have clear defining lines. The use of "villain" in my original post is also not precise. Frankenstein for example has no real villain outside of Fritz. What makes it a horror movie is the overwhelming sense of dread and doom rooted in the fact that the doctor and the monster are not really meant for their world.

I think my rule is helpful however as a general guideline because I think for awhile there was a tendency for nerds to try to claim that anything that had a scary or a disturbing scene was a horror movie.

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Shrecknet: Jan 2, 2005

CelticPredator posted:

Horror is the best genre because it could be just a movie about a bunch of young people trapped in a neo nazi bar and be scarier than any supernatural force or slasher character.

I loved Green Room too, my dude.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:25

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; Feel free to disregard this post.

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Yeah, like look, I'm not trying to overly simplify. Like I said, Godzilla (2014) is complicated because Godzilla is both the good guy and by extension totally correct in indirectly killing hundreds of people because we're trash who gently caress up the planet and make abominations. It gets into existential terror of the notion that the Earth does have a guardian--but that guardian is loving Godzilla.

There are movies that straddle the line and genre can never really have clear defining lines. The use of "villain" in my original post is also not precise. Frankenstein for example has no real villain outside of Fritz. What makes it a horror movie is the overwhelming sense of dread and doom rooted in the fact that the doctor and the monster are not really meant for their world.

I think my rule is helpful however as a general guideline because I think for awhile there was a tendency for nerds to try to claim that anything that had a scary or a disturbing scene was a horror movie.

There are things that are definitely NOT horror , but uh if the point of the film is to unnerve you in some way then its probably a horror film or at least falls under that umbrella term.

It' how Evil Dead went from straight hardcore horrror to slap stick Three Stooges remembrance horror.

Horror is just a general category.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:28

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Easy Diff posted:

I loved Green Room too, my dude.

best movie ive been afraid to revist.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 00:29

Burkion: May 10, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

HOW DID I MISS THE GODZILLA CHAT

gently caress it, posting it again anyways

Burkion posted:

So you know what ultra mega successful and popular franchise is secretly a horror series, just no one ever talks about it in that context because it tends to hide/ignore that fact very well?

Godzilla. Some of you will get this immediately and already be nodding, indeed indeed. A lot of you however, when you think of Godzilla, you're thinking of one of three things.

One of the two American Godzilla films- which have mild elements of horror but in the same way that a disaster movie does.

Maybe Godzilla 2000, the last Japanese Godzilla to be released in American theaters nationwide.

Or this

First, this is the pinnacle of cinema and all naysayers are denied. This singular moment would cure any number of ills and put to rest the numerous woes of the world if it could only be accepted as the brilliance that it is.

The brilliance being, the movie just not giving a gently caress and doing whatever it wants and gently caress you for caring. But that's a whole other discussion for another day. Right now, we're going to focus in on Godzilla: Horror. To understand exactly how this franchise enters the horror frame of mind, beyond just the tangential connection of monster movies that are shared universally, we have to take a step back. We have to take the context of the time, and what informed it.

Actually we don't, so I'll be brief. World War 2, it was a poo poo. Atrocities, racist fuckheads, dogma, and a changing of civilization that swept the world over. WWI was the coming of the modern age of war, where classical ideals clashed with terrifying technology. WWII was the superior sequel with a greater depth of horrors yet unthought of, where instead of just the soldiers getting torn into, we got even more casualties involved. We're not giving a Japan a pass on this either- the Godzilla franchise itself has made note of their culpability in the war crimes they commited, the people they killed.

But Japan didn't do these things in a vacuum and get away with it. Of course there were the atomic bombings which broke the camel's back and ended the war- in the pacific at least. Poland got REAL hosed over but we're not talking about them right now. Before those though, were the fire bombings. Something that tends to be overlooked, how many air strikes were raided on Japanese civilian towns. More damage and more loss of lives are attributed to those events than the atomic bombs themselves. Basically, World War 2 was a poo poo and no one walked away happy.

World War 2 is incredibly important for this discussion because the horrors of it are mundane and depressing, and those are some of the very same horrors that make up Godzilla. Because Godzilla IS a product of World War 2, a response to it and what it had done to the nation of Japan. The people of Japan. To the creators of the work itself. Tsuburaya, the man who gave Godzilla life, was and is one of the most renowned and acknowledged special effects artists in history. His work helped define Japanese culture as it is today, and had a fair bit of influence over seas as well.

Yet it almost all went south because of World War 2. One of his biggest projects before he came back to the limelight in the 50s, was a recreation of Pearl Harbor. The studio he was working for had been tasked by the government to create propaganda films, and he was one of the many cogs in the machine caught in the middle. So he did his work, and reportedly did it so well and meticulously that it was mistaken for actual footage shot of the event.

After WWII, you can well imagine how this was received. When his blackballing was done, he quietly returned to Toho Studios with a full team on his side. He helped craft the visual story of Godzilla in his own way, working with Ishiro Honda and Tanaka hand in hand. Though, a huge element to what makes the original Godzilla so unsettling is his roar. The original roar is very different than what would become popularized, rougher and less warm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYq58QPTk8

Especially his chilling death cry from the end.

So for a group of men to make a movie that was about a giant monster rising from the ocean, which itself was based on the atomic testings on the Bikini Atoll and the sailors who were killed by it- long, sad story there- you really couldn't have asked for a better line up.

This brings us directly to the original movie. It is a masterpiece of filmmaking, yet because it was released in 1954 it had to share the stage with Rear Window and Seven Samurai, so you know. 1954 was kind of a big year for movies- and horror, as it turns out. From the jump, there is a quiet dread that hangs over the film, especially if you keep in mind the then extremely recent atomic testings and what had happened to Japanese sailors during them. A quiet dread that immediately takes a turn for the violent, ship after ship vanishing in atomic fire within the ocean.

Like any good horror film, the monster is built up. The moment you meet the monster is a monumental moment, but unlike the Universal Horror of old, the angry mob with torches run away from the beast that they had hoped to chase back to the sea. For Godzilla is quite the unique threat- invincible, unstoppable, unknowable. Emerging larger than a mountain, impervious to any and all of man's weapons, able to unleash nuclear fury from his mouth at a whim, Godzilla towers over all other cinematic monsters before him.

Here is the easiest place to find the horror elements of Godzilla, as he systematically eradicates Tokyo, burning it to the ground one block after another, crushing men, women and children alike. Imagery of the firebombings in Japan are evoked, explored, and even referenced. One of the most memorable moments is a widowed mother clutching her children as Godzilla's horror approaches ever closer, promising that they will soon be with their father.

We later find her corpse in one of the many crisis centers, 'hospitals overflowing with the maimed and the dead', to borrow from Raymond Burr in the American version King of the Monsters. More on that in a moment. We find her dead, her children orphans, and possibly doomed themselves to a much worse fate. Because in the aftermath, we find that Godzilla truly is just as vicious and awful as the nuclear fire that awoke him- he leaves radiation in his wake. Dangerous, deathly radiation, that has taken hold of many of the 'survivors' of his wrath. Including, notably, children.

Because the horror of Godzilla's attack isn't his direct actions, but all of the consequences after. Godzilla does not care for individual humans, does not notice them as such. He passes by and all goes to ruin in his wake. Not out of malicious intent- nothing he does is malicious, which is possibly the worst thing of all. Simply because of what he is, devastation follows. He is a horror that cannot co-exist with humanity.

What heightens this tragedy is the reason why I brought up, if only obliquely, Japan's own crimes in the war. Namely, all were victims in the end. There were no victors in war, not when the individuals were concerned. One country that terrorized others would then become victims themselves of another power. Japan and Germany are the most obvious examples, though others exist as well. The reason this paralel is important is because Godzilla is also a victim.

Godzilla's design in the original movie is that of a survivor of nuclear bombing. As in, someone who was directly exposed and is suffering accordingly. Unique to this Godzilla, obscured until the end by darkness, are radiation scars that cover him head to toe. His behavior is also patterned off of those unlucky individuals in the wake of the blasts, walking in a daze, bright lights and noises bothering them, sudden fits. Everything about him is intentionally, by the creators, patterned off of the victims of the very act that he embodies.

Fitting as in universe, the whole reason he is awake is because of those atomic testings. A victim and victimizer of atomic war. We see Godzilla in his natural element at the end, where he is calm, peaceful. A pitiful creature. In the end, they kill him with an even worse weapon than the atomic bomb ever could be, only for the dread of another Godzilla appearing to hang over their heads.

We take a detour here to King of the Monsters. The original Gojira is a taught and tightly paced, almost modern in fact, film that builds and builds mounting horrors and terrors until reaching Godzilla. The American version, King of the Monsters, takes that and scratches the record. Instead, we get another horror film genre in its origins here.

The Found Footage Film. The movie opens with a noir-style narration of Raymond Burr, playing a reporter who happened to be in the area. But it specifically opens after Godzilla's attack, after the peak of his destruction, and we work backwards from Raymond Burr's perspective to build back to up that moment. This gives the movie an entirely different edge and tone, and brings it in line with the likes of Cannibal Holocaust as the progenitors of the found footage genre as we know it today. It is a fascinating film, and Raymond Burr's narration is top notch through out, though he tries to end the film on an optimistic note, one of the few missteps.

One line that is applicable here however, and it is one exclusive to the American version and superior I believe, comes from one of the characters convincing the scientist who made the super weapon to use it.

"You have your fears, which may become reality, and you have Godzilla. Which is reality."

All backed up by this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SowvXSmiIXo&t=26s

If you can get into the dated effects- mostly the puppet work- it is a suspenseful, unrelenting classic, that draws on broader, more cultural terrors and horror, while never ignoring the individual victims that hold it up. It is a draining, serious, unapologetic film that pulls no punches.

And like any great horror film, it had a quicky cash in sequel that was rushed out with half the effort and relying more on gimmicks than craftsmanship. Raids Again, funnily enough, could have been even better than the original, but it was so rushed that the highest it could rise was 'mediocre'. Which, following an atomic bomb of a film like Gojira, stings ever more.

Following was Rodan, itself a mild blip on the horror genre as it played with the American trend of giant insect monster movies that were popular back in the day. Only with the twist of the insects merely being the food for a greater terror, which is so far from a spoiler that it's not even worth going into.

Godzilla itself would dip back into horror from time to time, even pulling the all time classic Roger Coreman into its circle to create the American version of Return of Godzilla (1984), Godzilla 1985. Featuring Raymond Burr again! And Doctor Pepper. Though Return of Godzilla itself has some horror elements, most notably the beginning of the film on the boat, with the sea louse. It's another film that emphasizes that Godzilla does not need to act maliciously to DESTROY your life, as well.

Since then, we have smatterings of horror here and there. Notably there is an extended ALIENS rip off scene in Godzilla VS Destroyah that is suitably bonkers and awful. Just a really stupid, bad idea that I'm so happy exists. Also there is GMK Godzilla, who is the embodiment of all the souls wronged by Japan from WWII, acting out of revenge for Japan denying their war crimes and culpability. He is one of the only really malicious Godzillas, accordingly.

Of course, when talking existential horror, Shin is pretty high up there. The, to date, newest Godzilla movie, Shin Godzilla, features one of the most unsettling Gojis out there, who is an abomination of nature and radiation. Constantly changing, mutating to match what harms him, a mistake in the eyes of man who has come to punish them for his very creation- whenever the film focuses on him, it takes a dark turn.

Never mind what his first use of his beam does, and how quickly he could obliterate the status quo of the world.

If you're a horror fan, and you haven't thought much of them, think about looking at the Godzilla franchise. From cheesy, to serious, to horrifying and everywhere in between, you may yet find exactly what you're looking for.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:05

DeimosRising: Oct 17, 2005; �Hola SEA!

Timeless Appeal posted:

Yeah, like look, I'm not trying to overly simplify. Like I said, Godzilla (2014) is complicated because Godzilla is both the good guy and by extension totally correct in indirectly killing hundreds of people because we're trash who gently caress up the planet and make abominations. It gets into existential terror of the notion that the Earth does have a guardian--but that guardian is loving Godzilla.

There are movies that straddle the line and genre can never really have clear defining lines. The use of "villain" in my original post is also not precise. Frankenstein for example has no real villain outside of Fritz. What makes it a horror movie is the overwhelming sense of dread and doom rooted in the fact that the doctor and the monster are not really meant for their world.

I think my rule is helpful however as a general guideline because I think for awhile there was a tendency for nerds to try to claim that anything that had a scary or a disturbing scene was a horror movie.

If you�re gonna spend all this effort litigating what horror is and isn�t, you gotta ask why it matters

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:25

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

Can we all come together and agree that Godzilla 2014 was boring.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:29

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Lurdiak posted:

Can we all come together and agree that Godzilla 2014 was boring.

gently caress NO

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:30

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

DeimosRising posted:

If you�re gonna spend all this effort litigating what horror is and isn�t, you gotta ask why it matters

Because I think it's a fun thought exercise and helpful to think about what are the core elements of a genre. I'm not trying to be the horror movie police.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:33

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

I think it should be any film that inflicts a sense of dread. At the bare minimum. So that could be a lot of films and I think that's fine.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:35

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

CelticPredator posted:

Horror is the best genre because it could be just a movie about a bunch of young people trapped in a neo nazi bar and be scarier than any supernatural force or slasher character.

Speaking of this and the current thread conversation, the Prime documentary that came out recently about Lorena Bobbit is excellent and a must watch.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:39

Uncle Boogeyman: Jul 22, 2007

Nightbreed both is and is not horror.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:41

Origami Dali: Jan 7, 2005; Get ready to fuck!
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One theory

"Noel Carroll posted:

I have hypothesized that art-horror is an emotional state wherein, essentially, some nonordinary physical state of agitation is caused by the thought of a monster, in terms of the details presented by a fiction or an image, which thought also includes the recognition that the monster is threatening and impure. The audience thinking of a monster is prompted in this response by the responses of fictional human characters whose actions they are attending to, and that audience, like said characters, may also wish to avoid physical contact with such types of things as monsters. Monsters, here, are identified as any being not now believed to exist according to reigning scientific notions.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 01:58

Tart Kitty: Dec 17, 2016; Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Not all horror movies feature skeletons, but all movies featuring skeletons are horror, or at least horror-adjacent.

We call this the �vertebratio.�

# ? Mar 5, 2019 02:08

ruddiger: Jun 3, 2004

Fart City posted:

Not all horror movies feature skeletons, but all movies featuring skeletons are horror, or at least horror-adjacent.

We call this the �vertebratio.�

The math checks out.

(all comedies are existential horror movies)

# ? Mar 5, 2019 02:12

Zwabu: Aug 7, 2006

CelticPredator posted:

Horror is the best genre because it could be just a movie about a bunch of young people trapped in a neo nazi bar and be scarier than any supernatural force or slasher character.

See I disagree with this. For instance, the thing that happens to Suzy's friend at the end of the original Suspiria, that poo poo is, to me, a thousand times worse than any death, maiming or torture that a bunch of skinheads could inflict upon me.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 02:21

Gejimayu: Mar 4, 2005; spaz

Timeless Appeal posted:

I presented this idea before, but I'm going to go for it again...

I dont know if that's always true, but I have noticed that if you shift perspective too close to the scary thing, it ceases being scary at all. This is why American Horror Story is often not horror. The witch season is something that I think straddles the line between our two arguments. That is a super hero story for sure. But as another example, in the circus season its essentially never horror after twisty(?) dies. Maybe youre right, but again, depending on perspective. Batman can be horror if were in the bad guy perspective, and The Joker is loving horror any time Batman's not around.

Gejimayu fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Mar 5, 2019

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 05:07

sigher: Apr 22, 2008; My guiding Moonlight...

CelticPredator posted:

gently caress NO

Yeah, Godzilla 2014 is only bogged down by the lovely human side that sucks completely, but drat that film is fun (if too dark) when Godzilla is around. When we first get that pan up from his legs to his face and he roars it's dope. Seeing him gently caress poo poo up is so fun, it's weighty and powerful.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 02:28

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