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Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001


I know people like ragging on Shoog but he isn't wrong. By what metric does Children of Bodom (assuming that's what CoB means here I'm at work and can't view YT lol) wizardmetal belong in this thread

If it's something else my criticism status is now PENDING

Thanks for listening to my TED Talk

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Wamsutta posted:

I know people like ragging on Shoog but he isn't wrong. By what metric does Children of Bodom (assuming that's what CoB means here I'm at work and can't view YT lol) wizardmetal belong in this thread

If it's something else my criticism status is now PENDING

Thanks for listening to my TED Talk

A lot of people I talk to who listen to a bunch of the bands frequently discussed ITT, also single out CoB as one of the better melo-death bands is all. It's been a few days with no conversation, thought I'd post new music for discussion :shrug:

e: discussion other than "THAT'S NOT -CORE :getout:" I mean

e2: also they're sure not Erra or BoO but I think we may have very different definitions of wizardmetal :v:

Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Mar 5, 2019

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Bodom is not core at all but talk about them in the metal thread at your own risk (it'll probably be fine).

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Henchman of Santa posted:

Bodom is not core at all but talk about them in the metal thread at your own risk (it'll probably be fine).

I learned my lesson the last time

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcv97YqNqHI

this is the only good children of bodom song and i can only get through like 45 seconds of it before i have to shut it off for being goofy as poo poo.

there's a whole slew of metal bands with really dark and imposing imagery used across their discography and merch but make music barely more aggressive than alice cooper. ghost is one of the more contemporary examples of this but COB is definitely in that camp

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


ShoogaSlim posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcv97YqNqHI

this is the only good children of bodom song and i can only get through like 45 seconds of it before i have to shut it off for being goofy as poo poo.

there's a whole slew of metal bands with really dark and imposing imagery used across their discography and merch but make music barely more aggressive than alice cooper. ghost is one of the more contemporary examples of this but COB is definitely in that camp

I appreciate your opinion on the music way more than your opinion of what bands are OK to talk about, tbqh. Even though I'm still having a bit of a :psyduck: moment throwing COB and Ghost in the same camp.

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy

ShoogaSlim posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcv97YqNqHI
there's a whole slew of metal bands with really dark and imposing imagery used across their discography and merch but make music barely more aggressive than alice cooper. ghost is one of the more contemporary examples of this but COB is definitely in that camp

i think your definition of "barely more aggressive than alice cooper" and the rest of the world's definition of the same are strikingly different. i wouldn't even put ghost in that camp, they're not any heavier than alice cooper i don't think. you're basically describing nu-metal, which cob definitely isn't

not saying cob really fits in this thread but it fits a lot better than, say, the last bmth album despite me liking it anyway

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


kumba posted:

i think your definition of "barely more aggressive than alice cooper" and the rest of the world's definition of the same are strikingly different. i wouldn't even put ghost in that camp, they're not any heavier than alice cooper i don't think. you're basically describing nu-metal, which cob definitely isn't

not saying cob really fits in this thread but it fits a lot better than, say, the last bmth album despite me liking it anyway

Oh yeah I forgot about how the new BMTH album technically counts as a metalcore album :laffo:

Beelzebozo
Nov 6, 2002

I don’t mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel. But I am, so that’s how it comes out.

XIII posted:

The streak continues.

Yes. Shoog's streak of only on-point posting in 2019 continues. Bodom are not core in the slightest and are barely more aggressive, musically, than Alice Cooper. I don't know about this anecdotal description of them as a metalcore man's melodeath, but I don't go to shows with anybody who listens to wizardmetal. ShoogaSlim for President, 2020.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Beelzebozo posted:

Yes. Shoog's streak of only on-point posting in 2019 continues. Bodom are not core in the slightest and are barely more aggressive, musically, than Alice Cooper. I don't know about this anecdotal description of them as a metalcore man's melodeath, but I don't go to shows with anybody who listens to wizardmetal. ShoogaSlim for President, 2020.

So I take it you didn't like the new track?

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXFsWAkLoXQ

hmmm. yes, this music is clearly just "barely more aggressive" than *checks notes*

.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPDm2kaj1c

checks out

e: it's kinda like periphery. yeah i wouldn't call them "core" but they belong in this thread way more than they belong in the other one. it's okay for the threads to cross sometimes, like when I bring up Unearth as "the core band that even haters of core should like" in the metal thread

kumba fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 5, 2019

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Beelzebozo posted:

Yes. Shoog's streak of only on-point posting in 2019 continues. Bodom are not core in the slightest and are barely more aggressive, musically, than Alice Cooper. I don't know about this anecdotal description of them as a metalcore man's melodeath, but I don't go to shows with anybody who listens to wizardmetal. ShoogaSlim for President, 2020.

Shoog consistently posts quality content in the tattoo thread too

Beelzebozo
Nov 6, 2002

I don’t mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel. But I am, so that’s how it comes out.

kumba posted:

hmmm. yes, this music is clearly just "barely more aggressive" than *checks notes*

Ooh! Are we playing "cherry-picked examples"? I want a turn!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lcogYNPORc

This music is arguably more aggressive than

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUmS9TVspAU

Those synthy keyboards are lame as gently caress, my guy. Every -core band that uses them, from Bleeding Through to Make Them Suffer, would be tougher sounding without them.

By the way, if you want to hear good melo-death, Arsis did a bad rear end cover of that bad rear end Alice Cooper song I posted, and I'd rather listen to either version than Children of Bodom, straight up.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I'm starting to regret posting "hey check out this cool song what do you think" you guys, I didn't intend to start an argument about which metal band is the TUFFEST

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

kumba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPDm2kaj1c

checks out

e: it's kinda like periphery. yeah i wouldn't call them "core" but they belong in this thread way more than they belong in the other one. it's okay for the threads to cross sometimes, like when I bring up Unearth as "the core band that even haters of core should like" in the metal thread

This Everytime I Die sucks, whereas this Every Time I Die rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqQo2RQMWEM

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I'm starting to regret posting "hey check out this cool song what do you think" you guys, I didn't intend to start an argument about which metal band is the TUFFEST

Don't sweat it. People who listen to Emmure being snobby about anything amazes me. If this forum actually had a quality threshold bands had to reach for discussion I would've gassed this thread on my first day as mod.

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy

Inspector_666 posted:

This Everytime I Die sucks, whereas this Every Time I Die rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqQo2RQMWEM

They both own my man

Bodom's Every Time I Die, In Flames' Bullet Ride, and Dark Tranquillity's Monochromatic Stains are the 3 songs that got me into heavy music and those bands will always have a special place in my heart

e:

Beelzebozo posted:

Those synthy keyboards are lame as gently caress, my guy. Every -core band that uses them, from Bleeding Through to Make Them Suffer, would be tougher sounding without them.

synthy keyboards are loving awesome you take that back!!!!!

SPEAKING OF WHICH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxAcJTFsuBU

the best bodom track there is

kumba fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Mar 5, 2019

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003



That album is one of the greatest start-to-finish metal albums of all time. Not a single track on it that's less than great.


Also LOL at "synthy keyboards are lame" didn't we just have a discussion about how great the new Born of Osiris material is

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



it's a music thread. music is art. art is subjective. it's a discussion forum. we are discussing. post more breakdowns pls

Beelzebozo
Nov 6, 2002

I don’t mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel. But I am, so that’s how it comes out.
https://twitter.com/MartyrsTweets/status/1102860365333970944
New Betraying the Martyrs single Thursday. Synthy keyboard fans stay tuned!

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


ShoogaSlim posted:

it's a music thread. music is art. art is subjective. it's a discussion forum. we are discussing. post more breakdowns pls

Discussion is hard to do when the first response is "don't post this song here" homeslice

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



you keep insinuating that my initial statement was hyper aggro

Snow Cone Capone posted:

"don't post this song here"

Snow Cone Capone posted:

"THAT'S NOT -CORE :getout:"

what i actually said was

ShoogaSlim posted:

^ not core in the slightest

which is commentary on the song you posted in a very specific subgenre thread (and i even provided a helpful link!)

and it actually sparked like a whole page of discussion so

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


ShoogaSlim posted:

you keep insinuating that my initial statement was hyper aggro



what i actually said was


which is commentary on the song you posted in a very specific subgenre thread (and i even provided a helpful link!)

and it actually sparked like a whole page of discussion so


so specific it has the term "whatever-core" in it lol

just because it's not in all caps doesn't mean it's not super dismissive. I like how you "provide a helpful link" like it's not instantly assumed you're telling me to go post about it in a different thread, though, really makes people feel like they can post freely on the subject!

SchwarzeKrieg
Apr 15, 2009
everyone please post your top 5 favorite blind guardian breakdowns tia

also this is kinda fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0DmJ71jSvk

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
speaking of whatever-core, why does grind never get any love here???

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


kumba posted:

speaking of whatever-core, why does grind never get any love here???

for whatever reason that falls into the general Metal thread :iiam: (see: that thread's title)

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
gently caress that. grind!!!

gridlink owns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMlwGalMyzg

also: Insect Warfare, THIS loving RIFF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDkTZ2YMpI

and of course no grind conversation is complete without Travis motherfucking Ryan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TXdeGxmOUk

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Grind can go here, the metal thread or the punk thread really.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair
aw hell yeah gonna start posting all about Puig Destroyer in like, three different threads now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0JbTV6DW0

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy

Inspector_666 posted:

aw hell yeah gonna start posting all about Puig Destroyer in like, three different threads now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0JbTV6DW0

:yeah: :justpost: :yeah:

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Inspector_666 posted:

aw hell yeah gonna start posting all about Puig Destroyer in like, three different threads now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0JbTV6DW0

Puig Destroyer rules. I mostly just love them for the bit but the tunes are drat good too.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

XIII posted:

Puig Destroyer rules. I mostly just love them for the bit but the tunes are drat good too.

I need them to loving go on a tour, even if it's just a one-off joke thing because Batflip is mostly breakdown and it would loving kill to see it live.

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Inspector_666 posted:

I need them to loving go on a tour, even if it's just a one-off joke thing because Batflip is mostly breakdown and it would loving kill to see it live.

Take Damage is the one I wanna hear live.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I had to look them up and it's the drummer from Thrice in a baseball-themed grindcore band? sign me tf up

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


My theory is someone came up with the name as a joke and realized it was so good that they had no choice but to make it a reality.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I had to look them up and it's the drummer from Thrice in a baseball-themed grindcore band? sign me tf up

Riley from Thrice and also Ian, the bassist from Kowloon Walled City, who did come up with the idea as a joke on their baseball podcast and then made it really, and great.

quote:

Anyway, on a podcast last season when he got called up to the majors, Ian and I were talking and because we're both fans of Pig Destroyer I was like, "Someone should start a baseball-themed metal band called 'Puig Destroyer.'" After we finished recording, Ian mentioned, kind of joking, "Hey, we should do that." Later that night, I sent him programmed drums for what ended up being our first song; eight or nine days later we had our first EP up on Bandcamp; and two weeks after that Yasiel Puig actually heard one of the songs at the MLB Fan Cave in New York.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I cannot imagine his reaction was positive

SchwarzeKrieg
Apr 15, 2009
I heard we’re doing grind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxFQkl20tI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVR9LanXmJ4

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Henchman of Santa posted:

I cannot imagine his reaction was positive

He said "Very good!" but it was, one would have to imagine, just out of politeness.

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XIII
Feb 11, 2009



drat, I really knocked that guess out of the park

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