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Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair
Oh also one of the guys from Pig Destroyer has formed his own baseball grind band called Kolten Wong City, so the cycle is complete and everything is good.

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Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

I'm an old head but I will probably never stop playing It Dies Today's first two tapes and god drat if this isn't still one of the heaviest loving joints ever committed to record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-IQPf8EwD4

The Caitiff Choir may be the GOAT metalcore album, do not @ me

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Inspector_666 posted:

This Everytime I Die sucks, whereas this Every Time I Die rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqQo2RQMWEM
Every Time I Die is one of my favorite bands period, and for like a decade I was kinda reluctant in listing them as one of my all-time faves because of every other "angry" guitar band I held in a pedestal (Fugazi, Sabbath, Voivod, Sleater-Kinney, Pretty Girls Make Graves, Soundgarden, 90's Helmet, you get the idea), because of my own stupid hipster BS train of thought.

I think it was when I heard Low Teens for the first time the morning after purchasing it (had it pre-ordered and paid for from Google Play) as I was jogging that morning and I realized how... not necessarily creepy, but loving alien it sounds at times. Then I heard the "It Remembers", "Petal" and "The Coin Has a Say" trio of songs all in the space of like 9 minutes and said: "gently caress this namby-pamby, second-guessing bullshit" and I started singing the praises of these mo'fos whenever possible.

Also, they should do that weird, creepy Drop A-A tuning they do in like 4 songs more often because goddamn does it rip.

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

I don't know how to classify ETID. They're sort of like a hardcore/metal/grimy rock hybrid. We should maybe just refer to them as Partycore. ETID are probably the most front to back consistently good band I've ever listened to. They just don't miss. They're a phenomenal time live, good dudes, and just plain fun. We should all be thankful every day they keep touring and making new music for us. :)

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Also Keith Buckley is one of the only musicians worth following on twitter

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I don't know if they still were with Ferret or were already with Epitaph, but I remember reading "A dumb, fun tailgating party meets Charles Bronson movies" copy-write somewhere and I thought "that's like the most accurate description of these guys' sound ever". :mmmhmm:

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
A fun game that applies to like five people on earth who listen to both bands is to imagine ETID one liners being delivered by The Hold Steady.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Henchman of Santa posted:

Also Keith Buckley is one of the only musicians worth following on twitter

:yeah: although he only posts like twice a month lol

As we've seen I'm terrible with genres, but I always saw ETID as like, southern rock/hardcore. There's a couple of bands that also kind of do that grimy southern rock thing; off the top of my head He Is Legend does it but not nearly as heavy, and the very first Memphis May Fire EP was this awesome southern rock/metalcore blend that they never came close to again.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Snow Cone Capone posted:

:yeah: although he only posts like twice a month lol

As we've seen I'm terrible with genres, but I always saw ETID as like, southern rock/hardcore. There's a couple of bands that also kind of do that grimy southern rock thing; off the top of my head He Is Legend does it but not nearly as heavy, and the very first Memphis May Fire EP was this awesome southern rock/metalcore blend that they never came close to again.

It was A Thing for a minute in the 2000s. Maylene and the Sons of Disaster put the most emphasis on the southern rock style.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Henchman of Santa posted:

It was A Thing for a minute in the 2000s. Maylene and the Sons of Disaster put the most emphasis on the southern rock style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FW-7Xnf4UE They've got some good albums but only the first LP came close to this level before they turned towards the standard metalcore sound :(

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
keith does a twitch stream which is pretty funny at times https://www.twitch.tv/keithETID

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Keith is in general one of the best lyricists in the game, but, gawd-dayum, he can write some fantastic lyrics when his wife has a near death experience.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


XIII posted:

Keith is in general one of the best lyricists in the game, but, gawd-dayum, he can write some fantastic lyrics when his wife has a near death experience.

What's this about?

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Snow Cone Capone posted:

What's this about?

Moor is about his wife being attacked while he was away on tour and the anger he feels toward the person who did it. Petal (and a lot of Low Teens) is about his wife and daughter almost dying during his daughter's birth.

\/ Yeah

XIII fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 6, 2019

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Snow Cone Capone posted:

What's this about?
Some of the most incredibly powerful lyrics that Keith has written (Revival Mode off Ex-Lives, Moor off FPU and almost everything off of Low Teens) were influenced by things that happened to his wife. Like 80 or 90 percent of the lyrics of Low Teens are influenced by Keith trying to come to terms with the possibility that either he was going to lose his wife, his unborn daughter or both.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


drat.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Also like a poo poo-ton of literary references because if someone can absolutely wreck Dustin from Thrice when it comes to referencing poems, books and whatnot, it's the Buckley that screams.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Wark Say posted:

Some of the most incredibly powerful lyrics that Keith has written (Revival Mode off Ex-Lives, Moor off FPU and almost everything off of Low Teens) were influenced by things that happened to his wife. Like 80 or 90 percent of the lyrics of Low Teens are influenced by Keith trying to come to terms with the possibility that either he was going to lose his wife, his unborn daughter or both.

Oh wow, I had no idea Moor was about his wife. I knew that a lot of Low Teens was about the entire experience of his kid's birth having a ton of complications.

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Inspector_666 posted:

Oh wow, I had no idea Moor was about his wife. I knew that a lot of Low Teens was about the entire experience of his kid's birth having a ton of complications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTsxVkbOf7U

Give it a listen with that in mind. The whole song gets so much angrier, but also sadder/prettier.


Bonus ETID chat:
They uploaded a live performance of Decayin' With The Boys yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvbLjh-K5Ns

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

XIII posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTsxVkbOf7U

Give it a listen with that in mind. The whole song gets so much angrier, but also sadder/prettier.

I knew it was about somebody close to Keith getting assaulted, but he always seemed really cagey about who exactly it was. It's always been one of my favorite songs of theirs, along with Map Change for a lot of the same reasons.

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Inspector_666 posted:

I knew it was about somebody close to Keith getting assaulted, but he always seemed really cagey about who exactly it was. It's always been one of my favorite songs of theirs, along with Map Change for a lot of the same reasons.

I think Moor is their strongest song to close on

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I am a shameful motherfucker because somehow I completely missed the fact that there's an album between Ex Lives and Low Teens, :suicide:

on the plus side it's basically a new ETID album for me so hooray I guess

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


Snow Cone Capone posted:

I am a shameful motherfucker because somehow I completely missed the fact that there's an album between Ex Lives and Low Teens, :suicide:

on the plus side it's basically a new ETID album for me so hooray I guess

You lucky sumbitch

The Dirtyness
Sep 13, 2007

Wark Say posted:

Some of the most incredibly powerful lyrics that Keith has written (Revival Mode off Ex-Lives, Moor off FPU and almost everything off of Low Teens) were influenced by things that happened to his wife. Like 80 or 90 percent of the lyrics of Low Teens are influenced by Keith trying to come to terms with the possibility that either he was going to lose his wife, his unborn daughter or both.
This is crazy, I had no idea. Keith is really an A+ vocalist both in his lyrics and delivery. I don't know how he's been doing his thing for 20 years now without absolutely destroying his vocal cords. I get that there's a lot of technique involved in this style, but he makes it seem easy and has a sense of urgency in his delivery that makes everything hit so hard. Still haven't seem them live. On the bucket list for sure.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

The Dirtyness posted:

This is crazy, I had no idea. Keith is really an A+ vocalist both in his lyrics and delivery. I don't know how he's been doing his thing for 20 years now without absolutely destroying his vocal cords. I get that there's a lot of technique involved in this style, but he makes it seem easy and has a sense of urgency in his delivery that makes everything hit so hard. Still haven't seem them live. On the bucket list for sure.
Dude actually lost his voice during the recording of From Parts Unknown due to laryngitis and fell into a funk as a result. When he came back after almost two weeks, he actually finished recording the rest of the record in something rock-gently caress insane like 8 hours.

Dude is a great writer, as well.

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
fun fact, he was taught (at least partly) how to do his vocals safely by Melissa Cross, who's worked with a ton of different metal vocalists

https://melissacross.com/voice_lesson_testimonials.php

(looks like he might have worked w/her between the release of Hot drat and Gutter Phenomenon, and his voice does sound a bit different on every record after Hot drat)

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

The Dirtyness posted:

This is crazy, I had no idea. Keith is really an A+ vocalist both in his lyrics and delivery. I don't know how he's been doing his thing for 20 years now without absolutely destroying his vocal cords. I get that there's a lot of technique involved in this style, but he makes it seem easy and has a sense of urgency in his delivery that makes everything hit so hard. Still haven't seem them live. On the bucket list for sure.

Oh my God you have to see them live. It's an absolutely nuts experience.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


emdash posted:

fun fact, he was taught (at least partly) how to do his vocals safely by Melissa Cross, who's worked with a ton of different metal vocalists

https://melissacross.com/voice_lesson_testimonials.php

(looks like he might have worked w/her between the release of Hot drat and Gutter Phenomenon, and his voice does sound a bit different on every record after Hot drat)

Melissa Cross owns, and vocal training for metal singers is super important. The dude from Avenged Sevenfold and the dude from Trivium both blew out their voices pretty badly from untrained harsh vocals.

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

I saw ETID in broad daylight in a parking lot on a festival tour and it was still complete madness

What’s the show u felt the most sure someone was leaving in a bag

For me it was It Dies Today and The Acacia Strain in CBGBs (RIP). That place was way too fuckin small for that show, it ruled

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Wamsutta posted:

What’s the show u felt the most sure someone was leaving in a bag

For me it was It Dies Today and The Acacia Strain in CBGBs (RIP). That place was way too fuckin small for that show, it ruled

Converge in a tiny room above a bar in Brockton, MA. Pretty much no stage at all.

Also man that was a weird fuckin' night and while I'm glad I went, I never want to do anything like that again.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Earth Crisis in the 2nd floor of this bigass video arcade that used to exist around here

I don't even like Earth Crisis! :haw:

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

Inspector_666 posted:

Converge in a tiny room above a bar in Brockton, MA. Pretty much no stage at all.

Also man that was a weird fuckin' night and while I'm glad I went, I never want to do anything like that again.

Yikes!

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

I was still in college, a friend and I took the Commuter Rail out there with the plan "We'll figure it out" on how to get back. There were some dudes in the crowd for the opening bands who were either serious straight edge or actual Nazis going by their tattoos (most of them seemed to leave by the time Converge came on) and when we went back outside it was just in time to see a dude be thrown face first from the bar on the first floor, who then proceeded to lay on the sidewalk and bleed for a while.

It cost us around $90 for a cab back to campus.

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
Not metalcore but seeing lightning bolt at Talking Head (Baltimore) which the venue oversold so the band played in the alley outside until the cops showed

Wait was the question about bands who weren’t giving it their all, or were? Because they definitely were

Best core show was dillinger’s last Bmore show

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Wamsutta posted:

I saw ETID in broad daylight in a parking lot on a festival tour and it was still complete madness

What’s the show u felt the most sure someone was leaving in a bag

For me it was It Dies Today and The Acacia Strain in CBGBs (RIP). That place was way too fuckin small for that show, it ruled
Soilwork started touring the U.S. while promoting Natural Born Chaos, IIRC. I remember wanting to go see them at one of their tour stops, since the lineup was something rock-gently caress insane: It was Hypocrisy, Soilwork, Unearth and I think Chimaira? But alas, it wasn't meant to be due to the fact that my band was also on tour and we needed money.

Then I heard that Thrice was doing a number of showcases at around the same time. There was one at the Chain Reaction and it coincided with one of our many multi-day breaks. So I got in on that.

I almost died during "Phoenix Ignition". It rocked. :rock:

SchwarzeKrieg
Apr 15, 2009
When I saw Turnstile security dragged someone out for diving into the crowd off the second floor balcony.

Other than that, probably any of the dozenish times I've seen ETID. I expected ETID/SftP/Terror to be crazy (and the show was great) but the crowd was pretty lame. ETID/letlive/Code Orange was pretty rowdy. ETID/Knocked Loose/Harms Way was fun, too.

Basically just go watch ETID a lot.

Or if local shows count we have a band called The Torture Store that used to have at least one belligerent drunk leave in an ambulance every show. They're putting together some new material which sounds pretty solid so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnGl96a9bI

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I'm pretty sure that I've been at an ETID show where someone was going to leave in a police car, though.

For indecent exposure. :mmmhmm:

Mackers
Jan 16, 2012
I've been listening to Blood Eagle on repeat since the first time I heard it and goddamn gimme the fukcin album

Sticky
Jan 1, 2006

Pornhub. XTube. I know these names, better than I know my own grandmothers.
I was at a Red Chord/Darkest Hour/Converge show and during Converge someone dove from the balcony and had to get stretchered out while they kept playing.

Also I remember seeing First Blood/Comeback Kid/Ignite back in like 2005 or 2006 and everyone was super concerned about the possibility of some kind of violence during First Bloods set but it all ended up being pretty ok and then some kid slipped right by the stage and smashed the back of his head on the stage, that was a pretty bad one, I remember them trying to clean up the blood between sets. Think that venue shut down pretty quick after that.

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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
When I saw the Chariot at Bled Fest everybody seemed to turn into a meathead and some guy got in a fist fight with security before running away.

Both times I’ve seen Power Trip their pits took the up the entire floor, but Reggie’s has a pretty good system for keeping people safe in the pit. I did have to sidestep a full can of PBR thrown across the venue at the end of one show.

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