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esperterra posted:a lot of things might have lmao What would've really been different? Rob still won in the Riverlands, even with less troops, and still got owned because he broke his betrothal. Actually though when you think about it, it kind of doesn't make sense how Tywin acts. How does he know that the Vales forces won't emerge at any time and catch him between the proverbial hammer and the anvil? Kind of doesn't make sense that he goes to Harrenhall.
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They maybe could have kept Tyrion being kidnapped quiet until someone sane told them this is a bad idea with such flimsy evidence against him And she also probably wouldn't have done the killing/letter stuff that's the actual "start" of the troubles.
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if lysa wasnt insane she probably wouldnt have killed jon arryn so she could marry petyr
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violent sex idiot posted:if lysa wasnt insane she probably wouldnt have killed jon arryn so she could marry petyr yeah but catelyn had no way of knowing that + the rebellion was pretty strong as it was, another major house to top it might have kept even the most diseased fuckers in line for the finish - if you can just chase frey out of his castle from either side there's much less reason to commit to the marriage pact in the first place basically catelyn overreacts somewhat in nabbing tyrion, but it's not the completely barmy move it's made out to be given what she knows and believes (and iirc she suspects tyrion in no small part because she doesn't know that lysa's bonkers)
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porfiria posted:watch
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Intel&Sebastian posted:They maybe could have kept Tyrion being kidnapped quiet until someone sane told them this is a bad idea with such flimsy evidence against him The dagger was strong evidence. There's no reason to suspect Littlefinger of lying since he told Ned about it too and if Ned told Robert, the lie would've been discovered and LF would be hung that day.
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That Tyrion would give the assassin his own personal gold plated magic dagger of +5 damage to kids, makes so little sense that if anything it gives him extra exoneration points. It was so long since I read the books that I remembered it as Lysa sending the assassin to give her nephew mercy and also align the Starks against the Lannisters. I have to respect Catelyn's performance as she gradually realises how batshit her sister is. A woman who's letters she has gambled her whole family and kingdom on.
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Katt posted:That Tyrion would give the assassin his own personal gold plated magic dagger of +5 damage to kids, makes so little sense that if anything it gives him extra exoneration points. It's actually Joffrey who hired the assassin because he overheard Robert saying it would be better if Bran just died rather than wake up a cripple, so he did it as a twisted "  , Daddy" cry for attention that Robert completely ignored because he's a drunk who hates his kids and never gave a poo poo about anyone but Lyanna.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's actually Joffrey who hired the assassin because he overheard Robert saying it would be better if Bran just died rather than wake up a cripple, so he did it as a twisted " Well that makes no sense. I also note in the show that the "knight of flowers" and Renly thing is slightly less subtle than in the book. Granted in the book it was subtle to the point of drat near omission. I bet a ton of people lost their minds over that back when season 1 first came out.
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Jaime telling Loras "I'll shove my sword somewhere even Renly never found" is not exactly subtle
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Katt posted:I also note in the show that the "knight of flowers" and Renly thing is slightly less subtle than in the book. He didn't have a Rainbow Guard though.
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A Typical Goon posted:Jaime telling Loras "I'll shove my sword somewhere even Renly never found" is not exactly subtle Nor was Loras saying the sun set when Renly died then becoming celibate
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I appreciate the scene of Renly telling Ned to make him king and invoking "Might makes right" Neds eyes couldn't roll fast enough I didn't quite imagine Syrio Forel to be as flamboyant as he is in the show but I really like the show version. I appreciate that the show did his death off camera too. I was kind of expecting them to take the chance to show him having his arms lopped off and his head split or something. In the scene where The Hound fights The Mountain. When Robert commands them to stop The Hound instantly kneels regardless of The Mountains swing (and so basically bets his life that he won't finish the swing) and The Mountain seems to divert the swing in the last moment. Am I being weird for seeing this seen as oddly symbolic? It strikes me as extremely bad judgement when Ned orders Tywin Lannister to present himself at Kings Landing or be declared a traitor. Based on the word of one traumatized peasant who saw a man that may have been The Mountain. Also what's with Kings Landing being some desert city with palm trees and crap? I imagined it like some Skyrim castle thing. Katt fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Climate is hosed up in Westeros, its normal everywhere else.. So is the night that just wouldn't end mentioned happening anywhere else?
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Show Theon is like an even bigger piece of poo poo than book Theon. I didn't think that was possible. Somewhat alleviated by everyone making GBS threads on him at all times. Like he can't even lord over an illiterate wildling girl without her establishing that he's useless.
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Katt posted:Show Theon is like an even bigger piece of poo poo than book Theon. I didn't think that was possible. You’re in for a treat then, because it gets... so... much... worse...
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Theon's favourite hooker just left for the big city on the back of a turnip wagon. Pretty sure this is peak how bad things can get for one man. He's already Atlas carrying the burdens of the world on his shoulders.
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Katt posted:Theon's favourite hooker just left for the big city on the back of a turnup wagon. Pretty sure this is peak how bad things can get for one man. He's already Atlas carrying the burdens of the world on his shoulders. Don't worry, it all gets better for Theon from here on out.
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Collateral posted:Climate is hosed up in Westeros, its normal everywhere else.. Isn't the only time it's mentioned by that woman who is apparently very old who was a nursemaid to the Starks? Maybe Melisandre brings it up and I'm not remembering. It does seem like if the white walkers win, they'd be stuck in Westeros. That'd actually be a pretty awesome ending to the series, Cersei takes whatever gold she can and flees to one of the free cities while the Seven Kingdoms drown in blood and ice.
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the long night is a worldwide thing and westeros and essos both have myths of the hero fighting for the dawn
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Did the show ever make it explicit that Robert was a megacreeper who Lyanna was never really interested in anyway? I mean, if we wanna do the old "who's to blame???" thing for why things went lovely I think Robert doing his rebellion entirely because he's a jilted weirdo in denial about the woman he's obsessed with not loving him back is a pretty singular and decision based act you can point to. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Did the show ever make it explicit that Robert was a megacreeper who Lyanna was never really interested in anyway? Been a while since I watched any of the older seasons, but I think they do touch on this. Just not as clearly as the books make it.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Did the show ever make it explicit that Robert was a megacreeper who Lyanna was never really interested in anyway? Wasn't it more touched off by the burning alive of Brandon and Rickard Stark?
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pseudanonymous posted:Wasn't it more touched off by the burning alive of Brandon and Rickard Stark? That just made things worse imo and brought the other lords closer to Robert's side, but Bobert would have kept his rebellion going til he either died or got Lyanna back
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esperterra posted:That just made things worse imo and brought the other lords closer to Robert's side, but Bobert would have kept his rebellion going til he either died or got Lyanna back This is what the wiki says, for what it's worth "280-281 AC: In response to the king's murder of Rickard and Brandon Stark, the new Lord of Winterfell, Eddard Stark, raises the banners of the North. Robert Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End and betrothed to Lyanna, joins the rebellion, raising the banners of the Stormlands." One thing never made sense to me in GoT, there's basically no fostering going on when the war starts. They discuss fostering Arryns son. Yet the king's life was defined by his being fostered by Jon Arryn, and it's the kind of thing you do to keep wars from starting. I think it's just more authorially convenient than having floating children scattered around various houses, but it's just another thing that doesn't ring true to me. pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Oh yeah that was a dick move too everyone is bad! 
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Wasn't the mad king about to explode the whole city with magic elf napalm?
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Katt posted:Wasn't the mad king about to explode the whole city with magic elf napalm? Yeah, he had it secreted around the city by his pyromancer hand, but that was after the loss at the Trident.
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pseudanonymous posted:This is what the wiki says, for what it's worth "280-281 AC: In response to the king's murder of Rickard and Brandon Stark, the new Lord of Winterfell, Eddard Stark, raises the banners of the North. Robert Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End and betrothed to Lyanna, joins the rebellion, raising the banners of the Stormlands." It always did strike me as odd that none of Ned's sons were the wards of other lords tbh. Robert's children not being sent away I can buy b/c Cersei would probably refuse to send them away, but you'd think Ned would have sent a few away.
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Katt posted:Wasn't the mad king about to explode the whole city with magic elf napalm? pseudanonymous posted:Yeah, he had it secreted around the city by his pyromancer hand, but that was after the loss at the Trident. Yeah, that was after it was already clear to Aerys that he was turbofucked and had no chance of winning.
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Aerys did nothing wrong?
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esperterra posted:It always did strike me as odd that none of Ned's sons were the wards of other lords tbh. Robert's children not being sent away I can buy b/c Cersei would probably refuse to send them away, but you'd think Ned would have sent a few away. And Doran Martell has been plotting a rebellion ever since the last war, yet he neither fosters his children out or has some brought in to build alliances.
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pseudanonymous posted:And Doran Martell has been plotting a rebellion ever since the last war, yet he neither fosters his children out or has some brought in to build alliances. Doran does a lot of fostering intra-Dorne, that's the whole point of the Water Gardens. Robert was never in a position to demand hostages from Dorne since what happened to Elia. Regarding the Starks, I think friendly alliance-buildinng fostering is done at early adolescence and the middle Stark kids were at the right age at the beggining of GoT but then it all goes to hell
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esperterra posted:It always did strike me as odd that none of Ned's sons were the wards of other lords tbh. Robert's children not being sent away I can buy b/c Cersei would probably refuse to send them away, but you'd think Ned would have sent a few away. Ned is really loving bad at politics, it makes sense that he'd prefer to have his children close to home rather than try to use them to further relations with other great houses. I like how in the series there is a lot of things left unsaid and just implied, like how Jon Arryn and Hoster Tully we're clearly planning some form of alliance for years before start of the Rebellion
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I also always thought it was a bit weird that King's Landing is so tropical given that it's basically the Westeros equivalent of London. But I don't think there's any suggestion in the book that it's a regular grey Medieval city so it's just me projecting my assumptions so I'm cool with the show challenging that.
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The idea that Maisie Williams passes for a boy is probably the greatest leap of faith that this franchise demands of the viewer. Like they even put girl makeup on her down to the lipstick. When the black smith apprentice called her a girl and she's all  I remembered that "Oh yeah they're supposed to think she's a boy"
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Steve2911 posted:I also always thought it was a bit weird that King's Landing is so tropical given that it's basically the Westeros equivalent of London. But I don't think there's any suggestion in the book that it's a regular grey Medieval city so it's just me projecting my assumptions so I'm cool with the show challenging that. "I swear, women lose all modesty in the heat. They swim naked in the river, right beneath the castle. Even in the streets, it's too drat hot for wool or fur, so they go around in these short gowns, silk if they have the silver and cotton if not, but it's all the same when they start sweating and the cloth sticks to their skin, they might as well be naked." Doesn't sound like London to me. (lots of bad readers in the next few pages incidently but I'm not going to  everyone)
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Martin's world has seasons that last for years (yet Earth flora/fauna), examining the climate for inconsistencies may be a futile endeavor.
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Bad readers, or don't remember poo poo from reading a book 20 years ago? e: Okay, okay, 15 for me.
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SaviourX posted:Bad readers, or don't remember poo poo from reading a book 20 years ago? Bad readers, bad posters, bad books, bad thread.
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