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Brought To You By posted:The short of it is: I pick Neutral because it feels more noble and human centric, and it's usually the ending the game is pushing for. Well said. I think you make a good argument for Neutral. Although, if I might be so bold, I think Atlus does believe that that the truth lies in the middle. Everything from SMT to Persona seems to me to have a unifying message of "Optimistic Humanist Status Quo-Ism." I was once told the difference between lovely genre fiction and real art is when the dragons and goblins and stuff mean something. So what is Atlus really saying when you strip away all the magic and angels and poo poo? What does Shin Megami Tensei and Persona say about the real world? Take the "right" response when you (Apocalypse spoilers) fight Merkabah: "I fight for a world without bias." Merkabah: "A world without bias... Is that not by its very nature a world without stability? There is no salvation in such a world -- only pain and difficulty. Gaston: But it does not end there. We are drawn to what lies beyond hardships. I'm fairly certain the fact Law promises a Thousand Year Kingdom is no coincidence. A reich that last a millennium. The 20th Century was called in a lecture I listened to a a century of "Utopia and Terror.". From the Nazis to Mao, it was a century built on the idea that with enough force and bodies, a perfect state was possible. We just had to give in and let it happen. SMT and Persona reject this. They are aggressively anti-Utopian. Law and even Chaos are presented as "easy" outs and escapes to that fabled utopia. But both roads are dead-ends. Conversely, if we stand on our own two feet, we are in for a lot of suffering and failure. But that suffering will be endured and that failure will lead to success and in the end will be a world better than either Law or Chaos can offer. That's my interpretation of these games anyway. To be frank, it's in a lot of Japanese media I read and watch and play. Xenosaga and Xenogears is even bigger on this idea. We can only help ourselves and find meaning in ourselves.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Before P5, P1 remained the best selling game in the series. Brought To You By posted:But going back to SMT1 and Taishang; his closing monologue is what undoubtedly colors the alignment discussion decades later. Like yes Taoism is a form of Neutrality in a way, but not at all represented in gameplay where you're carefully checking decisions to balance out the last one you made so you get an ending. Laozi wouldn't be telling you to adhere this one social order by rejecting others. In SMT, you are always acting with intention Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Cuntellectual posted:It's not worth it. I'm gonna do it, and I'm almost certainly gonna regret it
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XP in persona 1 being distributed by individual contribution to fights always infuriated me the most about it.
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March 5th  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKyf_7J6sA Dehry fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 03:46
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You're either two months early or two keys right.
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Damnit. I was searching for things on twitter and didn't notice how far back I had gone.
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Mraagvpeine posted:That's a good write-up. And I thought I heard (rumor, ha) that Sudou was the inspiration for the Reaper? I don't know if there's official word that they took inspiration from Sudou for the Reaper, but I can definitely see the resemblance. The Reaper's even missing an eye in the same place Sudou's mask doesn't have one. Oxxidation posted:i was digging sudou's one-eyed murderhobo look ever since i first saw his portrait in a gamepro magazine as a wee lad It's definitely a strong look. The fact Sudou's only wearing a patient's gown underneath makes it even better to me.  MonsieurChoc posted:Knadori is one of my favourite Persona villains, although that's probably because of his Eternal Punishment appearance adding a lot of depths to the character. The pretty good Persona 1 manga adaptation also helps. Agreed. Dude got dragged back from the dead just to be Nyarly's lackey, but he kept his development from the end of P1. Eternal Punishment making him go "been there, done that" and completely tired of it all was pretty cool. He's just going through the motions of being a bad guy, and even his fight with you was more "I wanna test you to see if you have the resolve to end this".
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Happy end of Persona 3 day.
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I mean, you were correct in spirit, the game does actually end on March 5
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if3HGAqFOmo I'm a day late, but here's the Trinity Soul version.
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Booky posted:I like all neutral ends except SMTII's, and that's more because the Chaos ending is super nice and you help out the mutants and everything while the Neutral end is just kinda lame. 
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Wark Say posted:The Chaos theme playing during the ending gives it a hauntingly beautiful effect that I still remember over a decade later. I never actually finished SMTII but aaa the music was sooo good!! And Lucifer was such a chill guy in that end too!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Fs2bPw_7I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD9XERqSER4 Basically SMTII neutral is centrism, or whatever, what with just ditching the oppressed mutants under Tokyo Millennium.
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So I've noticed in IS PSP they completely dumped the TEC stat. Or maybe Dexterity just replaces it. In IS on PS1 I made Tatsuya an all-rounder and in EP I made Maya pure mage. Far as I could tell, Str was worthless. I wasn't even sure if it effected Physical Persona Skills. TEC was where it was at for making your Fusion Spellsand the like as damaging as possible. But here in the remake they made Dx govern MAttack... Still not sure how to build Tatsuya and if Strength is worth anything. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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TEC is Dex now and you should absolutely Dex build Tatsuya. Like put some points in vitality too but you should rear end-blast demons with magic and poo poo.
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BaDandy posted:TEC is Dex now and you should absolutely Dex build Tatsuya. Like put some points in vitality too but you should rear end-blast demons with magic and poo poo. I thought this was an EO post at first and was very confused.
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BaDandy posted:TEC is Dex now and you should absolutely Dex build Tatsuya. Like put some points in vitality too but you should rear end-blast demons with magic and poo poo. Gotcha. Strength just seems like total poo poo. Glancing at a FAQ it seems to say Dex also effects Physical Persona attacks so...really, Str is worthless. I just want to make sure I built him right since I hear there are superbosses in this game. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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So does Persona 1 have a "Best Bro" character? We've all seen the arguments about Junpei vs. Yosuke vs. Ryuji and then the few of us who played IS might throw Eikichi in there, too. Eikichi is my second favorite after Yosuke because his character has such a wonderful arc and I absolutely love its conclusion at his Shrine, easily the best out of everyone. (way better than Lisa's random "I dated guys and did drugs!") I'm thinking I really need to play P1 because Ellie was my favorite part of Eternal Punishment. I did not consider getting Tatsuya back a fair trade whatsoever. Her dialogue in EP makes it sound like she was the P1 MC's love interest so I would hope she's prominent.
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm thinking I really need to play P1 because Ellie was my favorite part of Eternal Punishment. I did not consider getting Tatsuya back a fair trade whatsoever. Her dialogue in EP makes it sound like she was the P1 MC's love interest so I would hope she's prominent.
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Mark always joins you, and is probably the closest to your best buddy (though he is never seen in Persona 2). Eriko is optional, but yeah she's pretty fun and just kind of silly. It's like outright said she had a crush on Boy With Earring, but never acted on it because she knew Maki did too and she didn't want to crush Maki like that. The Persona 1 manga (which I do reccomend, it's p. cool) makes Maki more of your childhood friend who you fell away from after she was hospitalized throughout high school, but she also likes other guys other than you too. Technically I think choosing Nanjo as your buddy in Eternal Punishment is more canon since you get to see what happened with Kandori, whereas I don't remember Eriko has you do, but she is more fun Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Ah, I forgot Mark always joins you, but that does make sense as he has some pretty important story moments. But yeah, don't take Brown, he sucks.
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Nanjo is the Number 1 Man in Japan and as such is the best bro.
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Expect My Mom posted:Mark always joins you, and is probably the closest to your best buddy (though he is never seen in Persona 2). Eriko is optional, but yeah she's pretty fun and just kind of silly. It's like outright said she had a crush on Boy With Earring, but never acted on it because she knew Maki did too and she didn't want to crush Maki like that. The Persona 1 manga (which I do reccomend, it's p. cool) makes Maki more of your childhood friend who you fell away from after she was hospitalized throughout high school, but she also likes other guys other than you too. Somebody when I played EP told me to pick the girl when you get the option of asking for help from a man or woman and that's how I ended up with Ellie. I don't know why they told me to do that but I'm glad. But yes it does seem I missed out on some important plot. IIRC Ellie's quest is to go to the TV station to confront the evil medium working with the NWO or something like that. You end up fighting a stalker from Ellie's past or what was actually a weird traumatic magical manifestation of that stalker. My memory of EP's plot is very spotty. So Persona 1 has multiple routes or something? Different endings and the like? I always hear people say dramatically they'er doing the Snow Queen Quest for example.
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Comparing ryuji to junpei and yosuke is a mistake, because joker's Good Bro Who Sucks rear end is morgana, actually if original persona 3 hadn't been too scared to let you s-link the male party members, junpei would 100% have been the magician.
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NikkolasKing posted:So Persona 1 has multiple routes or something? Different endings and the like? I always hear people say dramatically they'er doing the Snow Queen Quest for example.
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Yeah you also get to pick one character out of like four to join you, and these don't really do much but change the flavor of reaction dialogue, except one guy is Kandori's younger brother so most people just go with him to get all the storyNikkolasKing posted:IIRC Ellie's quest is to go to the TV station to confront the evil medium working with the NWO or something like that. .
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I saw a lot of soundtrack talk and not a lot of talk about SMT IV. I love the ambient/industrial vibe. What's up with that? Also SJ has a really good (if not very different) soundtrack All the chanting definitely creeped the poo poo out of me back in the day, though I might have a soft spot for it because it was my intro to the series.
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Expect My Mom posted:Mark always joins you, and is probably the closest to your best buddy (though he is never seen in Persona 2). Eriko is optional, but yeah she's pretty fun and just kind of silly. It's like outright said she had a crush on Boy With Earring, but never acted on it because she knew Maki did too and she didn't want to crush Maki like that. The Persona 1 manga (which I do reccomend, it's p. cool) makes Maki more of your childhood friend who you fell away from after she was hospitalized throughout high school, but she also likes other guys other than you too. You always pick Nanjo because Eriko's dungeon is the TV Station and sucks loving rear end forever.
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Thanks everybody for P1 info. I'll definitely have to look into playing it when I am done with IS.Good Soldier Svejk posted:I saw a lot of soundtrack talk and not a lot of talk about SMT IV. I love the ambient/industrial vibe. I don't really like Industrial - or what a guy like me who knows poo poo about music thinks is Industrial - but for the Lord of Chaos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhpDGXLWUW0 "I am the radiant morning star which lights the way to the sons of man. I am the true flame of life in all the glory of flesh, blood, and my own will. So come, ye lifeless puppets of YHVH! I shall snuff out your ostentatious lights." quote:Also SJ has a really good (if not very different) soundtrack Actually, Strange Journey was my first SMT game and it's remarkably different from all other soundtracks I've heard from Meguro. There's no rock or Jazz or general weirdness. It's a symphonic OST like you'd hear in a lot of other JRPGs. But it's still amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2huCwT171c This is still my favorite SMT normal boss theme. Such memories of my first SMT bosses like Ouroboros and Gore.
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Nephrite posted:You always pick Nanjo because Eriko's dungeon is the TV Station and sucks loving rear end forever.
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Because the Kirijo Group forms from the Nanjo group, does that mean that P1 (or P2) have canon choices on those?
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I think the story there is that the Nanjo Group gave all the stuff from SEBEC to the Kirijo Group and let them have free reign resulting in an impressive amount of bullshit.
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Nephrite posted:You always pick Nanjo because Eriko's dungeon is the TV Station and sucks loving rear end forever. Why would you ever willingly pick the sewer level?
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I once did the Reverse Order Snow Queen Quest. Don't do that kids. It's not worth it.
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This is a hard question, but I gotta ask it: Which character in each game has the most forgettable social link? Not the one that you hate, not the one you think is stupid, but the one you completely forgot existed after the game was done? Here's mine: Persona 3: Kenji Tomochika Persona 4: Eri Minami Persona 5: Ichiko Ohya (Although, weirdly, I always remember the bar where it happens and Lala-chan. But if you put a gun to my head I don't think I could tell you anything about Ichiko beyond "reporter" and "dead friend? I think?") Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Kenji's social link is the weirdest loving thing. Like that really should have been a giant red flag to not get into Persona but we all just say there and told that kid to keep trying to have sex with his teacher
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Oh you wanted to hang out with Junpei? the guy your age? who lives with you? shut up dude, go eat ramen with this pervert
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