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davidspackage posted:A Matter of Honor and Measure of a Man are so good. I thought this said Code of Honor at first 
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The older brother/younger brother dynamic in "Message in a Bottle" (VOY S04E14) is hilarious
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The Golden Gael posted:So I won a film festival this past weekend with my animated Trek parody: The shots with a guy at an odd angle looking at the camera (like 3:03) is TAS as gently caress. 
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I love how the penalty for going to that planet is death because the illusion powers of the talosians are too tempting, and like 70 years later every ship basically has that exact same thing built in and everyone is like "Wow this is great!" I had folks over to watch The Cage last year and paired it with Hollow Pursuits because lol
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Geekboy posted:I had folks over to watch The Cage last year and paired it with Hollow Pursuits because lol I think this might be the only gimmick account that I think actually has a pretty funny gimmick.
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Mar 7, 2019 04:23
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For Star Trek thread page number l33t after people been talkin about Orville for way too long: DUN DUN DA DA DA DUN DUN DA DA DA:      It's a drat crime they just copy and pasted these shots for the Battle of Cardassia.
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really feel they should have gothed up the cardie ships they kind of abandoned the whole egypt theme after TNG
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jeeves posted:For Star Trek thread page number l33t after people been talkin about Orville for way too long: I know Trek often takes liberties with how the special effects look versus what dialog says is happening (for example they'll often refer to another ship being a thousand k's away while effects shots show them bow to bow) but that battle would have been over the instant one ship had a core breach and took out the rest of the fleet.
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Mar 7, 2019 05:55
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Now we know that The Orville universe shares the inverse law of shields with Star Trek as well. The more ships there are, the less effective shielding is. In battles like these it basically doesn't exist, and everything is 1HKO. counterfeitsaint fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 06:10
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Except for the main characters' ship, which can take a dozen hits and still function.
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Senor Tron posted:I know Trek often takes liberties with how the special effects look versus what dialog says is happening (for example they'll often refer to another ship being a thousand k's away while effects shots show them bow to bow) but that battle would have been over the instant one ship had a core breach and took out the rest of the fleet. Man, even core breaches are wildly inconsistent from episode to episode in each series. Remember when the Yamato exploded close enough for debris to immediately bounce off the Enterprise but barely jostle the bridge?
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Whalley posted:- a doctor whose ego is so big she decided the entire universe was wrong instead of her own perception The best part of this is that the immediate reaction of the rest of the crew isn't to dismiss it out of hand, but instead to say "well, we've seen weirder poo poo, let's do some tests".
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Roadie posted:The best part of this is that the immediate reaction of the rest of the crew isn't to dismiss it out of hand, but instead to say "well, we've seen weirder poo poo, let's do some tests". Honestly, what really makes the episode a classic is that the crew doesn't do the typical thing in a 'character seems to be going crazy' episode, which is dismiss their concerns and say that they're just crazy. They totally listen to her and do all the tests and work they can to try and see what could be causing these disappearances, even as they find no evidence and the people working on the problem keep disappearing too with no memory of them from those remaining. Honestly, it isn't even really until it's just her and Picard that he starts losing his temper with her crazy insistence that there were ever any more than the two of them on board, because there's work to be done and this is distracting from it.
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Whalley posted:- a doctor whose ego is so big she decided the entire universe was wrong instead of her own perception To be fair, she was right.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Man, even core breaches are wildly inconsistent from episode to episode in each series. Remember when the Yamato exploded close enough for debris to immediately bounce off the Enterprise but barely jostle the bridge? Actually, have we ever seen a core breach be a significant threat to a nearby ship ready and with shields up? The only one I can think of the D's saucer getting its engines knocked offline, and it was already hosed and didn't have its main power. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:Now we know that The Orville universe shares the inverse law of shields with Star Trek as well. There aren't any shields or transporters in Orville. Or at least no shields that work like they do in Star Trek. Ships seem a lot more fragile. We've just watched Justice in our re-watch (my partner's first watch) of TNG and god it's hard to shake the idea that season 1 is just TOS again but....stupider. Picard comes across as a bit of a jerk in all the early episodes (now I remember why I didn't like him when I was a kid) and they're just doing whatever, doesn't matter if the race is pre-warp or anything. So far "The Battle" has probably been the best episode of season 1, although I know that isn't saying much. It was sort of silly that the Ferengi asked him if he remember the battle of Maztika and he's like "No" but it turned out to be something super important. I feel like you'd remember the name of the system you abandoned your first command.
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Taear posted:There aren't any shields or transporters in Orville. Or at least no shields that work like they do in Star Trek. Ships seem a lot more fragile. They have deflector shields on the hull. They're not visible energy bubbles, though.
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Yeah the episode before this two parter was literally called deflector and had the b plot of the a plot Moclan installing and testing powerful new deflector shields
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Somebody mentioned that VOY forgot about Captain Janeway's occasionally mentioned boyfriend Mark midway through. In Hunters (S04E15), she receives a letter from Mark and the camera lingers on it at 15:42. It says "Dear Kathryn, I was just reminiscing about the birth of Mollie's puppies and now long for that [too blurry]. You should see how big they are now and how well they get along with my new kitten. Things at work are still crazy. The production schedule never seems to let up... however, I need to relate some difficult news. Since you've been gone, it's been so difficult for me to assume ..." She later paraphrases the letter to Chakotay, including that Mark got remarried, and says by that point she'd been using him as an excuse to not get involved with someone else
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As someone who knows nothing of national service, ranks etc, can someone explain what it means that Chief O'Brien is an enlisted man? Like, does that mean he didn't go through Starfleet Academy, but just responded to a wanted ad in the Daily Irishman or somesuch?
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davidspackage posted:As someone who knows nothing of national service, ranks etc, can someone explain what it means that Chief O'Brien is an enlisted man? Like, does that mean he didn't go through Starfleet Academy, but just responded to a wanted ad in the Daily Irishman or somesuch? Didn't go to the Academy, went to some sort of boot camp basic training then straight onto a ship in space somewhere. Like the kid in Drumhead, who didn't want to spend all the time in the Academy, he wanted to get out 'there' ASAP, though in O'Brien's case the urgency was partial rebellion against his dad's expectations of him.
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davidspackage posted:As someone who knows nothing of national service, ranks etc, can someone explain what it means that Chief O'Brien is an enlisted man? Like, does that mean he didn't go through Starfleet Academy, but just responded to a wanted ad in the Daily Irishman or somesuch? He explains at some point that it's pretty common in engineering fields specifically to have enlisted crewmen who just want to go through boot and then go out there and earn experience in a given field and don't necessarily always want to make a career out of Starfleet.
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A lot about Star Trek draws heavily from military and usually naval storytelling traditions. (though Gene Roddenberry himself was Air Force and had some conflicts over that) DS9 even outright has the eager young ensign contrasted with the cynical senior enlisted. (Nog and O'Brien) A lot of what we associate with Starfleet officers; a ridiculous amount of extracurriculars, cultural education and general modern major generalisation; is specifically because of going through Starfleet Academy, while enlisted are very likely the bulk of Starfleet's staff (Keiko would probably also fall under this) who have more specialised knowledge, though given O'Brien was Chief Engineer on a major starbase and given great respect for it, clearly there's plenty of career opportunities. (funny thing is both Nog and Rom greatly respect O'Brien and learn from him while working on DS9) Of course, remember O'Brien being Starfleet's only enlisted man was a retcon, with TNG being inconsistent about his rank. One of DS9's biggest strengths was showing the universe outside Starfleet, some of the best major and minor characters are those with different perspectives on it; Quark, Garak, and Sisko's dad all provide plot-critical and interesting perspectives on things.
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Drone posted:He explains at some point that it's pretty common in engineering fields specifically to have enlisted crewmen who just want to go through boot and then go out there and earn experience in a given field and don't necessarily always want to make a career out of Starfleet. Although wasn't there an episode where O'Brien says he originally did poorly in his technical exams and only found his engineering talent while enlisted as a crewman?
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Keiko isn’t an enlisted man because she’s not in Starfleet, she’s a civilian
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skasion posted:Keiko isn’t an enlisted man because she’s not in Starfleet, she’s a civilian Keiko is a civilian contractor. She is space Halliburton.
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Automatic Slim posted:Keiko is a civilian contractor. She is space Halliburton. So that was what the occupation of Bajor was about. NO BLOOD FOR PLANTS Thanks for the explanation, all.
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MikeJF posted:Actually, have we ever seen a core breach be a significant threat to a nearby ship ready and with shields up? The only one I can think of the D's saucer getting its engines knocked offline, and it was already hosed and didn't have its main power. This would be awesome to see, in a big battle somewhere in the background a ship's engines are visibly going critical and then a huge shock wave wipes out everything nearby. Now that I think about it, it'd be similar to that one in BSG where a nuke is set off inside one of the ships.
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Automatic Slim posted:Keiko is a civilian contractor. She is space Halliburton.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Oh so when she was off the show for certain periods it was because she was committing war crimes on Bajor? Keiko is secretly a descendant of Mirror Georgiou. Now it all makes sense. For real this is my new canon.
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Mar 7, 2019 15:38
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Mirror Georgiou is a descendant of Mirror Empress Hoshi, is my headcanon
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Ethnicity: Asian(??) definitely fits with Star Trek canon Kim and Sulu were both ????? af
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Sulu was deliberately so iirc, specifically named after a sea that touches lots of different parts of Asia.
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Hoshi and Keiko are both explicitly Japanese though. Mirror Georgiou is kinda unclear-ish... while Michelle Yeoh is Malaysian Chinese, the writers apparently put "Iaponius" (Latin for "Japanese") in Empress Georgiou's laundry list of titles to make a nod to her having Japanese (and therefore Hoshi apparently?) ancestry, though that may be mostly Twitter rumor. Rosalind Chao is Chinese-American and Linda Park is Korean-American though so this further reinforces Hollywood's understanding of Asian cultures as being "  "
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About the enlisted/officer distinction -- IIRC the TOS bible or one of Roddenberry's letters around the time made the point that everyone in Starfleet serving aboard a vessel is by definition an astronaut, and all astronauts were military officers (no mission specialists because there was no shuttle yet), so there wouldn't be enlisted men aboard ships. Makes no sense today but maybe in historical context (astronauts dying by fire on the launch pad) it was reasonable?
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Drone posted:Hoshi and Keiko are both explicitly Japanese though. Mirror Georgiou is kinda unclear-ish... while Michelle Yeoh is Malaysian Chinese, the writers apparently put "Iaponius" (Latin for "Japanese") in Empress Georgiou's laundry list of titles to make a nod to her having Japanese (and therefore Hoshi apparently?) ancestry, though that may be mostly Twitter rumor. Japanese -> Malaysian -> Japanese is a pretty lol fanwank family tree is what I'm saying. This is part on casting part on writing and part on fans just being like durrrasian
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Drone posted:while Michelle Yeoh is Malaysian Chinese, the writers apparently put "Iaponius" (Latin for "Japanese") in Empress Georgiou's laundry list of titles to make a nod to her having Japanese (and therefore Hoshi apparently?) ancestry, though that may be mostly Twitter rumor. I thought the idea was that Hoshi put Iaponius in as one of her titles to honor her ancestry. Georgiou isnt actually descended from Hoshi, but that's just become one of the Imperial titles now, just like the Roman emperors called themselves Caesar even after nobody remotely related to Julius Caesar was emperor anymore.
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East and South Asia were on the losing side of World War 3; this is both canon and explains why 1. there are few people from those parts of the world on the show and 2. those we do see are of indeterminate ancestry, probably because they are descendants of those who were already in the West by the time of the war.
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Epicurius posted:I thought the idea was that Hoshi put Iaponius in as one of her titles to honor her ancestry. Georgiou isnt actually descended from Hoshi, but that's just become one of the Imperial titles now, just like the Roman emperors called themselves Caesar even after nobody remotely related to Julius Caesar was emperor anymore. Yeah, that's what the writer said. From twitter: quote:"All Hail her most Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, All Hail Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius." So the intention was that Hoshi added Iaponius and Georgiou descends from Hoshi by a chain of adoptive heirs, same as the way that Emperor Georgiou apparently adopted Mirror Burnham. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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The Golden Gael posted:So I won a film festival this past weekend with my animated Trek parody: I just watched this last night, and the whole thing is just so Filmation-style it's practically perfect. Nice work!
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