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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Gods need their weapons, it's mythology 101. The hammer focused his power, the axe enhances it. Done.

Isn't Perseus or a bunch of other ancient myths all about finding a new shiny to replace the old shiny? Cool Axe in the context of superhero movies I think is ultimately the right choice because there's probably only so many ways to make Thor cool just punching people.

I get the narrative concerns and yeah its a little clunky but there's a reasonable in universe explanation for the apparent two steps back on his character growth, it isn't a big deal.

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Mymla
Aug 12, 2010
"Are you the god of hammers?"
"No, dad, you're right. I'm the god of axes."

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Impressive, 11 pages until we've moved past Marvel's Captain Marvel to talk about another movie.

Annath
Jan 11, 2009

Batatouille is a great and funny play on words for a video game creature and I love silly words like these
Clever Betty
There was a 150+ post politics derail in there.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Annath posted:

There was a 150+ post politics derail in there.

Counter-point, that "derail" was the only meaningful engagement with the content of the film this thread has had

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Impressive, 11 pages until we've moved past Marvel's Captain Marvel to talk about another movie.

we're waiting for you to leave so we can talk about you behind your back

you ought to be used to that by now

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Impressive, 11 pages until we've moved past Marvel's Captain Marvel to talk about another movie.

End Game is more interesting to talk about than what some drooling smoothbrained CD poster thinks about immigration who starts comparing dumbass cape poo poo to Birth of a Nation

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

End Game is more interesting to talk about than what some drooling smoothbrained CD poster thinks about immigration who starts comparing dumbass cape poo poo to Birth of a Nation

Lol that you have reached a point of content addiction so total that you consider discussing implications for a franchise more intellectually relevant than discussing implications in reality

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
I'm going to go kill myself brb

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
There’s the ol’ Joss Whedon playbook where you can have Captain Marvel’s badassery built up and then when she faces Thanos she gets destroyed in one hit

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
is there a reason joss whedon has become a throwaway reference to bad formulaic writing when everyone was sucking his dick like five years ago

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

Mel Mudkiper posted:

is there a reason joss whedon has become a throwaway reference to bad formulaic writing when everyone was sucking his dick like five years ago

The backlash started over 10 years ago and it was because he kept doing the same stuff over and over

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Counter-point, that "derail" was the only meaningful engagement with the content of the film this thread has had

Captain Marvel doesn’t seem to actually stand for anything, which is odd for a superhero.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity
In the comics, Iron Man was Carol's AA sponsor.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Mel Mudkiper posted:

is there a reason joss whedon has become a throwaway reference to bad formulaic writing when everyone was sucking his dick like five years ago

i think there has always been a contingent of people who don't like his works (or most of them, in my case) but I think the people who were big fans are less vocal than they used to be since he hasn't made anything good in a while and also got outed as a lovely husband/man

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Captain Marvel doesn’t seem to actually stand for anything, which is odd for a superhero.

Like Captain America I think she just stands for doing the right and good thing and protecting the people in her immediate vicinity, followed by her family, her country, and her world, in that order.

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is
'The right and good thing' is ideology

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Raenir Salazar posted:

Like Captain America I think she just stands for doing the right and good thing and protecting the people in her immediate vicinity, followed by her family, her country, and her world, in that order.

Captain America is a socialist in his initial appearance, then becomes a libertarian after being returned from the dead.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Steve Yun posted:

There’s the ol’ Joss Whedon playbook where you can have Captain Marvel’s badassery built up and then when she faces Thanos she gets destroyed in one hit

Joss Whedon's playbook would be making Captain Marvel 2, but there would be a male character that was ultimately the main focused and he explained everything to her (if you think i'm joking, go look up his proposed script for Wonder Woman).

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Away all Goats posted:

Yeah? If it helps focus his power its going to be much more effective than shooting lighting everywhere.

did... did you see the final action set piece of Ragnarok?

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

My criticisms don't usually align with Red Letter Media when it comes to comic book movies, but I'm about 15 minutes into their Captain Marvel review and they sure are right on the money imo. Spittin' truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQNYeOEFJc

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Fart City posted:

did... did you see the final action set piece of Ragnarok?

Yes. I also saw the part where he shot a beam of concentrated lightning that overpowered a full gauntlet.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Away all Goats posted:

Yeah? If it helps focus his power its going to be much more effective than shooting lighting everywhere.

You are aware that it's not a documentary? His power works the way it's written to work. That's what we're criticising.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

teagone posted:

My criticisms don't usually align with Red Letter Media when it comes to comic book movies, but I'm about 15 minutes into their Captain Marvel review and they sure are right on the money imo. Spittin' truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQNYeOEFJc

you mean the fifteen minutes they spend trying to make Brie Larson look like a crazy person?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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I love RLM when they are drinking and talking about weird movies, but they seem to want their cake and eat it too when it comes to petulant nerd poo poo

CheesyDog
Jul 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I also see every nerd movie but am too smart to enjoy them

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Blockhouse posted:

you mean the fifteen minutes they spend trying to make Brie Larson look like a crazy person?

No, the actual review. Skip the first 6 minutes of the Milwaukee tourism stuff. I don't care for their Brie Larson rant, but I do agree with Jay in that I didn't really get much out of the Captain Marvel character, as I stated earlier in my post-screening thoughts.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

Blockhouse posted:

you mean the fifteen minutes they spend trying to make Brie Larson look like a crazy person?

Nothing more fun than watching two 40-year-old white movie reviewers get super defensive at the idea that a woman doesn’t care what they think.

Seriously, this is loving embarrassing.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

I dunno, I thought they explained their position as best as they could without being at all offensive. I might not agree with their rant, but I get what they were trying to say. I mostly agree with their criticisms of the film itself though, which is a first for me when it comes to their comic book movie reviews. Jay is usually more receptive of Marvel films too, which actually surprised me. I thought they both were going to eat this film up since, as described by my friend, it was like it was made from MCU concentrate, and the RLM guys tend to really like their stuff.

[edit] Thinking about more, I should say it's actually rare for me to have my opinion align with RLM when it comes to comic book movies. They enjoyed Wonder Woman :)

teagone fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Mar 12, 2019

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Phylodox posted:

Nothing more fun than watching two 40-year-old white movie reviewers get super defensive at the idea that a woman doesn’t care what they think.

Seriously, this is loving embarrassing.

I know it was you fredo

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I know it was you fredo

This line is in The Godfather II, a popcorn classic.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.
Real basic, forgettable MCU. Ben Mendelsohn was pretty good though.

If you want to see any actually good movie by the directors watch Mississippi Grind.

If you want to see an actually good movie starring Mendelsohn and Jude Law watch Black Sea.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Just saw the movie. I thought it was decent, but overall underwhelming. I felt like they did waaay too many 90s references, and it stopped being a source of levity real quick. In fact, the humor in general felt somewhat... off. The best way I can explain it is that there were numerous interactions where the characters were actively working towards setting up the stage for a punchline, which in turn felt forced.

Anyway, my main complaint is that Danvers' character arc was very cliche. I mean, basically: Girl has gaps in her memory, girl gets stranded when a mission goes wrong, girl slowly regains her old memories, girl discovers she has been fighting for the wrong side, girl goes through a redemption arc. Yawn...

Like others here, I'm curious how they will dial back her powers in Endgame, because wow, if she can destroy Kree destroyers by casually flying through them, it makes one wonder what she can do to Thanos.

edit: my favorite scene is where she is standing in the parking lot of a strip mall trying to figure out a map, and the dude on the motorcycle catcalls her, then calls her a freak for refusing to smile at him. I don't know if that scene was added later, but I thought it was a perfect middle-finger to all the motherfuckers out there who criticized Larson for being too serious.

Slow News Day fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Mar 12, 2019

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
Did anyone else feel like they were originally going to have Carol be gay but backed off of it at the last minute? MonicaMaria felt like she was originally supposed to be a girlfriend but they cut that bit out to make her just a best friend.

Piell fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Mar 12, 2019

garycoleisgod
Sep 27, 2004
Boo

Piell posted:

Did anyone else feel like they were originally going to have Carol be gay but backed off of it at the last minute? Monica felt like she was originally supposed to be a girlfriend but they cut that bit out.

Seeing as Monica was the child and Maria was the mother, this was probably a good choice! Captain Marvel is a Pedo! screams the headline.

But seriously, I think they maybe went as far with it as they thought Disney would allow. The film can still be read as them being a couple anyway. Monica's father is sure never mentioned or even thought of as mattering at all.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

enraged_camel posted:

Like others here, I'm curious how they will dial back her powers in Endgame, because wow, if she can destroy Kree destroyers by casually flying through them, it makes one wonder what she can do to Thanos.

Remember Thanos is basically a god. With the Infinity Gauntlet he is way more powerful than Captain Marvel.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

I said come in! posted:

Remember Thanos is basically a god. With the Infinity Gauntlet he is way more powerful than Captain Marvel.

But what about Thanos without the gauntlet? Is Carol stronger than him then? We don't know what kind of state the gauntlet is in after THE SNAP.

ScottyJSno
Aug 16, 2010

日本が大好きです!

teagone posted:

But what about Thanos without the gauntlet? Is Carol stronger than him then? We don't know what kind of state the gauntlet is in after THE SNAP.

IMO Captain Marvel didn't do anything that the Hulk or especially Thor could have done. I thought she was a bit under powered to be a threat to Thanos.

Has anyone other then fans said that she would be the solution?

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Obviously the solution is to get the time stone and have Hulk go back in time and eat that purple baby.

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teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

ScottyJSno posted:

IMO Captain Marvel didn't do anything that the Hulk or especially Thor could have done. I thought she was a bit under powered to be a threat to Thanos.

Has anyone other then fans said that she would be the solution?

Kevin Feige has said Captain Marvel is the most powerful superhero in the MCU.

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