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opengl
Sep 16, 2010

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

Check out this nonsense I found at the art supply store.



Art kids, not even once

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Fanged Lawn Wormy
Jan 4, 2008

SQUEAK! SQUEAK! SQUEAK!
Oh man that stackamacs makes me think of some stuff from work. I work for a company that does museum installs.

Some devs insist on developing their stuff in macs. I love macs for home use. I think it’s great for some office stuff too.

Custom apps for a museum running on a Mac? Jesus get over it. The hardware expense is double, and then you get to stupid poo poo like an iMac sitting on the floor behind a wall running the application.


I wish I could think of some good stories, but mostly I just have the time where the walls were out of plumb so far that we had to put the case next to the door like 1/8” out of level so that it looked straight. Same install, we had a drywall we try and claim that it was the painters fault that the drywall had like 1/2” deep wobbles over the course of 10 feet.

Also, you’d be surprised at the amount of hardware in a prestige museum exhibit comes out of Home Depot.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:

Oh man that stackamacs makes me think of some stuff from work. I work for a company that does museum installs.

Some devs insist on developing their stuff in macs. I love macs for home use. I think it’s great for some office stuff too.

Custom apps for a museum running on a Mac? Jesus get over it. The hardware expense is double, and then you get to stupid poo poo like an iMac sitting on the floor behind a wall running the application.


I wish I could think of some good stories, but mostly I just have the time where the walls were out of plumb so far that we had to put the case next to the door like 1/8” out of level so that it looked straight. Same install, we had a drywall we try and claim that it was the painters fault that the drywall had like 1/2” deep wobbles over the course of 10 feet.

Also, you’d be surprised at the amount of hardware in a prestige museum exhibit comes out of Home Depot.

I very much wouldn't! I worked on an exhibit for the NMNH a few years ago. Normally an exhibit there takes about five years and costs $10k/sq foot (or maybe it was square m). We had 18 months and a tenth of that.

Still probably the highlight of my time at NIH.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


My project to replace these failing dielectric fittings is progressing. Slowly.



It's a race against time, and some of them have already shown leaking at some point. At least the end of heating season does take some pressure off.



You'd think already having had a big flood would spur some urgency, but the higher-ups are piecing out this work a little at a time and holding up the installation of automatic shutoff valves with paperwork crap. Drives me crazy.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


glynnenstein posted:

At least the end of heating season does take some pressure off.

Was that intentional or unintentional?

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
Wow is that combined copper and iron? Someone was a real smarty making that setup.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

There are reasons for that, it's why they make dielectric fittings, which is fine; but you have to replace them on a schedule, they are a wear part with an expected lifetime.

I've got them on my hot water heater, which joins iron pipes in the heater to copper pipes for the house, and one sink in the master bath still has iron pipes coming up from under the house that would require some demolition to replace.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
Customer's contractor has decided that he doesn't need to follow my instructions on how to pour a concrete footing; you don't need formwork or a rebar cage or a vibratory compactor or anything, just cut a hole in the ground, fill it with the lumpiest concrete I've ever seen, stomp a rebar mat just underneath the top surface of the wet concrete and call it a day

YamiNoSenshi
Jan 19, 2010

Which season of Jojo is this from?

Tim Thomas
Feb 12, 2008
breakdancin the night away
What the gently caress is that footing supporting?!

stuxracer
May 4, 2006

Tim Thomas posted:

What the gently caress is that footing supporting?!
Probably a motorcycle anti-theft device

Indolent Bastard
Oct 26, 2007

I WON THIS AMAZING AVATAR! I'M A WINNER! WOOOOO!

YamiNoSenshi posted:

Which season of Jojo is this from?

People like that show ironically right? I watched 2 episodes and hated it, looked online and Reddit said it gets better in season 2. There is WAY too much media to waste my time on a whole season of a show that sucks.

(I know wrong thread...whatever)

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Tim Thomas posted:

What the gently caress is that footing supporting?!

The perspective is weird, the customer took the picture standing at one end of the trench and tilting his phone

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

The Chairman posted:

Customer's contractor has decided that he doesn't need to follow my instructions on how to pour a concrete footing; you don't need formwork or a rebar cage or a vibratory compactor or anything, just cut a hole in the ground, fill it with the lumpiest concrete I've ever seen, stomp a rebar mat just underneath the top surface of the wet concrete and call it a day



Someone needs to be sued for this.

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


Indolent Bastard posted:

People like that show ironically right? I watched 2 episodes and hated it, looked online and Reddit said it gets better in season 2. There is WAY too much media to waste my time on a whole season of a show that sucks.

(I know wrong thread...whatever)
The beginning of season 1 is not a good indication of what the show is. It gets really weird and wacky, in a good way.
That said I'm not sure what the connection is to that foundation since it's barely standing.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

mycomancy posted:

Someone needs to be sued for this.

Only if they refuse to make things right after being called on breach of contract.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

The Chairman posted:

Customer's contractor has decided that he doesn't need to follow my instructions on how to pour a concrete footing; you don't need formwork or a rebar cage or a vibratory compactor or anything, just cut a hole in the ground, fill it with the lumpiest concrete I've ever seen, stomp a rebar mat just underneath the top surface of the wet concrete and call it a day



You don't really need formwork, especially for a residential building, but everything else is terrible, yikes.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Bird in a Blender posted:

You don't really need formwork, especially for a residential building, but everything else is terrible, yikes.

It's not residential. It's a footing for part of the exterior of a large industrial building.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Tim Thomas posted:

What the gently caress is that footing supporting?!

Continued employment for the local code official.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Tim Thomas posted:

What the gently caress is that footing supporting?!

A western democracy.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Indolent Bastard posted:

People like that show ironically right? I watched 2 episodes and hated it, looked online and Reddit said it gets better in season 2. There is WAY too much media to waste my time on a whole season of a show that sucks.

(I know wrong thread...whatever)

All the fandom around it is the later seasons, so I guess it gets more interesting than the most stereotypical anime dramafest it is in season one.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


read the manga first/instead

*I don't enjoy this series

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Darchangel posted:

Was that intentional or unintentional?

I couldn't resist.

PurpleXVI posted:

Wow is that combined copper and iron? Someone was a real smarty making that setup.

The shiny steel is a dielectric coupling; the threads are made out of a plastic lining that is bonded to the outer steel sleeve. It's fine in theory, but they're all cracking after 17 years in service and a bunch of them show stains on the pipe insulation where our heating hot water can leak by. The one that failed catastrophically cracked in a circle around one thread width and blew out the whole 1 1/4 pipe, just popped out of one side of the fitting and sprayed 8000 gallons in a pipe chase.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

glynnenstein posted:

The shiny steel is a dielectric coupling; the threads are made out of a plastic lining that is bonded to the outer steel sleeve. It's fine in theory, but they're all cracking after 17 years in service and a bunch of them show stains on the pipe insulation where our heating hot water can leak by. The one that failed catastrophically cracked in a circle around one thread width and blew out the whole 1 1/4 pipe, just popped out of one side of the fitting and sprayed 8000 gallons in a pipe chase.

Must be an American thing, I guess. Here if you want to connect copper to iron, or have to, you usually add a looped section of PEX piping. Or just connect them with brass fittings which aren't gonna be too fussy about what they're mixed with.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

glynnenstein posted:

It's a race against time, and some of them have already shown leaking at some point. At least the end of heating season does take some pressure off.

Water damage is no joke.

If I’m in charge of a building and hear the plumbing will fail at any moment, I’m going Citicorp on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njeC1RmrWJo&t=1291s

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


PurpleXVI posted:

Must be an American thing, I guess. Here if you want to connect copper to iron, or have to, you usually add a looped section of PEX piping. Or just connect them with brass fittings which aren't gonna be too fussy about what they're mixed with.

In my experience with commercial in the US it's usually convenient to use a brass valve as your dielectric, but the way they did this building was that they go to copper right off the 8 inch risers in the chase, and the valves are down the line a bit in an access panel. The lined steel couplings are super cheap, the only real reason to use them I can think of, but it still would have been cheaper to run the steel out to the valve instead of copper, so who knows what they were thinking. :shrug:

The extra fun part is these fittings are on all the systems in the building: heating hot water, condenser water, and domestic water. We're only even looking at the heating hot water stuff right now because the cycling between ~65 F and 155 F is making them fail before the others. Eventually we're going to have to cut them all out, dozens more.

The Gardenator
May 4, 2007


Yams Fan

I'm more impressed that they dug that trench on Mars.

YamiNoSenshi posted:

Which season of Jojo is this from?

I don't know what show this is, so I tried searching for it. It is either "Dance Moms" or Nickelodeon's "Jojo & Bow Bow Show Show".

Re the hot water fittings:

I refuse to use the galvanized metal nipples that come with new water heaters. Instead, I go with brass nipples with copper piping.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

glynnenstein posted:

In my experience with commercial in the US it's usually convenient to use a brass valve as your dielectric, but the way they did this building was that they go to copper right off the 8 inch risers in the chase, and the valves are down the line a bit in an access panel. The lined steel couplings are super cheap, the only real reason to use them I can think of, but it still would have been cheaper to run the steel out to the valve instead of copper, so who knows what they were thinking. :shrug:

The extra fun part is these fittings are on all the systems in the building: heating hot water, condenser water, and domestic water. We're only even looking at the heating hot water stuff right now because the cycling between ~65 F and 155 F is making them fail before the others. Eventually we're going to have to cut them all out, dozens more.

Well, at least you guys won't be out of work for a while.

Personally I always really enjoyed returning to the same large building to do work, you got to know the place, the people, the installations, etc. and half the time someone would be good friends with the caretaker/janitorial people and you could bang off and have an hour of tea and chat with them on your lunch break. And, of course, if you were less scrupulous, it was usually the place where it was easier to take a half-hour reading break in some disused attic than when working for private citizens.

The Gardenator posted:

I refuse to use the galvanized metal nipples that come with new water heaters. Instead, I go with brass nipples with copper piping.

I'm both amused and disheartened that these fittings have the same stupid name in English as they do in Danish.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

The Gardenator posted:

I don't know what show this is, so I tried searching for it. It is either "Dance Moms" or Nickelodeon's "Jojo & Bow Bow Show Show".

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. My vague knowledge of anime is still better than my vague knowledge of plumbing.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

PurpleXVI posted:

I'm both amused and disheartened that these fittings have the same stupid name in English as they do in Danish.

Love me some two-inch hexagonal screwed double nipples :mmmhmm:

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Jerry Cotton posted:

Love me some two-inch hexagonal screwed double nipples :mmmhmm:

We might have one up on you there, we call those breast-nipples. Sometimes a plumbing conversation sounds like someone scripting out a porn scene.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

PurpleXVI posted:

We might have one up on you there, we call those breast-nipples. Sometimes a plumbing conversation sounds like someone scripting out a porn scene.

Well the correct nomenclature is threaded, not screwed, anyway but the Chinese print "screwed" on the box and there you go.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

glynnenstein posted:

In my experience with commercial in the US it's usually convenient to use a brass valve as your dielectric, but the way they did this building was that they go to copper right off the 8 inch risers in the chase, and the valves are down the line a bit in an access panel. The lined steel couplings are super cheap, the only real reason to use them I can think of, but it still would have been cheaper to run the steel out to the valve instead of copper, so who knows what they were thinking. :shrug:

The extra fun part is these fittings are on all the systems in the building: heating hot water, condenser water, and domestic water. We're only even looking at the heating hot water stuff right now because the cycling between ~65 F and 155 F is making them fail before the others. Eventually we're going to have to cut them all out, dozens more.

The engineer may not have allowed for brass valves as a dielectric fitting. Depending on size copper will be cheaper to install than steel because it is lighter and faster to install than steel pipe, which is probably why they switched to copper right off the main.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Motronic posted:

Continued employment for the local code official.

lol

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

by Athanatos

The Gardenator posted:

I'm more impressed that they dug that trench on Mars.


Georgia.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

PurpleXVI posted:

I'm both amused and disheartened that these fittings have the same stupid name in English as they do in Danish.

I remember fondly the look on one of my friend's faces when I told them about the rigid metal conduit I was using and how I had to use a six-inch rigid nipple for something.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Indolent Bastard posted:

People like that show ironically right? I watched 2 episodes and hated it, looked online and Reddit said it gets better in season 2. There is WAY too much media to waste my time on a whole season of a show that sucks.

(I know wrong thread...whatever)

Season 1 is like 8 episodes, and yeah, its not super great or typical for the series as a whole.

YamiNoSenshi
Jan 19, 2010
The angle made it look to me like a weird concrete coffin had been unearthed. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


The Chairman posted:

Customer's contractor has decided that he doesn't need to follow my instructions on how to pour a concrete footing; you don't need formwork or a rebar cage or a vibratory compactor or anything, just cut a hole in the ground, fill it with the lumpiest concrete I've ever seen, stomp a rebar mat just underneath the top surface of the wet concrete and call it a day


Tim Thomas posted:

What the gently caress is that footing supporting?!

Nothing, one hopes.

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kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

PurpleXVI posted:

I'm both amused and disheartened that these fittings have the same stupid name in English as they do in Danish.

Hence the name of the DIY plumbing thread here, since apparently we are all 10 years old.

What do the Danish call the fill valve in a toilet?

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