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evilweasel posted:if you build good cities cars start phasing themselves out because they're a pain in the rear end compared to using public transportation in a dense city. unfortunately california built san francisco and los angeles pretty much. Portland Oregon is probably the best American example of this. super walkable city because they made driving there a pain in the rear end someday I hope I move there
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infernal machines posted:like, poo poo, those aren't even bhopal numbers son. hell that one's still maiming people because of groundwater and soil contamination
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https://youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo that car is driving way too fast
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obstipator posted:https://youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo Nice illegal passing on the right.
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Apr 23, 2019 20:57
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sf isn't a car city it's a nothing city because neither cars nor transit work there and then there's 6 million people in exurbs attached to it lol
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My Linux Rig posted:pretty much. Portland Oregon is probably the best American example of this. super walkable city because they made driving there a pain in the rear end lmao at this if mere pain in the rear end driving made something walkable why isn't 95% of atlanta walkable
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:it was also that our power generation isn't carbonless, and while EVs are better for emissions, they still can't meet climate and air quality goals because personal vehicles are super inefficient and people (are forced to) drive way too much is there even any net gain on EVs if the charging comes from poo poo sources like coal? I could see transmission loss wiping it out entirely or even making it a net negative. i get that up here in ontario where we run on clean, green nuclear it's better but im not sure ive seen stats on bad power sources.
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fishmech posted:lmao at this I don’t mean pain in the rear end because of traffic, I mean a city design that actually gives a slightly higher priority to means of travel that doesn’t involve a personal vehicle sometimes this kind of design means driving becomes a harder thing to do
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Moist von Lipwig posted:is there even any net gain on EVs if the charging comes from poo poo sources like coal? I could see transmission loss wiping it out entirely or even making it a net negative. This is very much an issue that is being highlighted as more auto companies start proposing EVs.
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Apr 23, 2019 21:13
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all parking allotment zoning must hang!!!! full congestion pricing now!!!
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ArmZ posted:all parking allotment zoning must hang!!!! the numbers we require are insane sometimes. parking reductions are possible if a developer enters into an agreement to share facilities with a neighbor, but lol like that ever happens.
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My Linux Rig posted:I don’t mean pain in the rear end because of traffic, I mean a city design that actually gives a slightly higher priority to means of travel that doesn’t involve a personal vehicle i really have no idea what you think you're talking about, it's got a typical small old city grid and then the rest of the city is a larger grid that's also unremarkable for 20th century expansion it's got some half-assed tram service, minor local commuter Rail, and a bunch of buses which again is super typical.
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fishmech posted:i really have no idea what you think you're talking about, it's got a typical small old city grid and then the rest of the city is a larger grid that's also unremarkable for 20th century expansion whatever, maybe they aren’t doing anything to prioritize pedestrian traffic, I’m just saying it seems a lot easier to travel around there on foot vs driving then most places I’ve been to
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Moist von Lipwig posted:is there even any net gain on EVs if the charging comes from poo poo sources like coal? I could see transmission loss wiping it out entirely or even making it a net negative. there was a german study i linked a few pages back (which in fact kinda kicked off this whole nuclear derail) which found that with the german mix of electricity production (~50% comes from fossil fuels) a battery electric vehicle was significantly worse when it came to CO2 emissions than a modern diesel powered vehicle
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TheFluff posted:there was a german study i linked a few pages back (which in fact kinda kicked off this whole nuclear derail) which found that with the german mix of electricity production (~50% comes from fossil fuels) a battery electric vehicle was significantly worse when it came to CO2 emissions than a modern diesel powered vehicle Yeah, due to this, VW is actually planning to continue to produce TDIs to help Germany with 2020 goals, but they are likely to still miss it. They will largely miss it due to shuttering their nuclear plants in favor of Lignite coal.
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aren't those them emissions cheating diesels? Diesel is a fuckin environmental disaster lol
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fishmech posted:aren't those them emissions cheating diesels? Diesel is a fuckin environmental disaster lol VW was required by German Law to fix the emissions systems, they are doing the same thing in the US, fixing the DEF system and reselling them as compliant. Diesel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, unfortunately, even if EVs take off. Ford, BMW, Mercedes, and others also got caught in the emissions scandal.
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fishmech posted:aren't those them emissions cheating diesels? Diesel is a fuckin environmental disaster lol granny clockin' not double PHWR bumpin' like you should be
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CommieGIR posted:VW was required by German Law to fix the emissions systems, they are doing the same thing in the US, fixing the DEF system and reselling them as compliant. ok but americans generally aren't stupid enough to buy small diesels so it doesn't matter Germany meanwhile is absolutely littered with diesels that pollute like American gasoline cars did 40 years ago
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:sf is anything but a car city lol and la is massively investing into building out their public transit who cares what the handful of people who live in sf proper do, considering it's zoned to make it impossible for any serious amount of people to live there
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fishmech posted:ok but americans generally aren't stupid enough to buy small diesels so it doesn't matter You say that, but you are also talking to someone who bought a fixed Q7 TDI, and VW TDIs are reselling well, even post fix. VW is looking to make back some of the losses from Dieselgate from fixed TDIs, and they are not being disappointed. https://www2.greencarreports.com/news/1112541_want-to-buy-a-used-updated-volkswagen-tdi-diesel-car-your-vw-dealer-will-get-first-dibs I mean, VW/Audi offered a full warranty for post-fix vehicles, full powertrain. Mine came with a 49,000 mile warranty, which is about as good as buying new, but on a nearly 10 year old car with 100k miles on it. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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obstipator posted:https://youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo Now do it on a road the car hasn't been trained on I mean it look loving sweet, but there's no way in hell this is anything like representative performance
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Everyone should go back to the first few pages in this thread to remember why we're here.SmokaDustbowl posted:elon musk is bourgeoisie using money built on the backs of the proletariat and should be charged for putting a lovely car into space which has the possibility to explode into a bunch of loving pieces which exacerbates kessler syndrome akadajet posted:elon should cram himself inside of that thing and launch it into the sun Last Chance posted:I loving hate him so MUCH
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Lord Stimperor posted:Now do it on a road the car hasn't been trained on or on a snowy road
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holy poo poo. the comments for that video. i just cringed through a wall.
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gschmidl posted:Everyone should go back to the first few pages in this thread to remember why we're here. i'd forgotten about the most worthless tweet ever twatted
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Roosevelt posted:i'd forgotten about the most worthless tweet ever twatted Wonder if the childkiller sub is still there, rusting.
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i still can't believe how much public transit portland has built in the ten years since i lived there, and as a former san franciscan / current new yorker i am insanely jealous at the idea of planning and building new transit on that sort of timescale instead of planning for everything to take twenty years and two hundred billion dollars and inevitably get replanned and delayed under future political leadership
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tesla robo taxis were better when they were called johnny cabs and arnold jacked the poo poo out of them
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rjmccall posted:i still can't believe how much public transit portland has built in the ten years since i lived there, and as a former san franciscan / current new yorker i am insanely jealous at the idea of planning and building new transit on that sort of timescale instead of planning for everything to take twenty years and two hundred billion dollars and inevitably get replanned and delayed under future political leadership don't forget all of the awesome problems that come along with retrofitting an area for transit because everyone was too stupid and shortsighted to see to it in the first place
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Elon Musk beats women grahms im hoem. where's me supper? grahms??
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fishmech posted:sf isn't a car city it's a nothing city because neither cars nor transit work there sf is a motorcycle city - roads always gridlocked with cars - muni is slow and sucks - bart doesn't go anywhere - too hilly for average people to cycle - motorcycle is king i suppose you could also be one of those dorks on an electric unicycle or skateboard or turd scooter but if you ride a motorcycle you can still get laid.
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don't you work at a bart stop
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so no mention of goldman dumping tesla itt yet, huh? alright
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Rex-Goliath posted:so no mention of goldman dumping tesla itt yet, huh? [desire to know more intensifies]
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Rex-Goliath posted:so no mention of goldman dumping tesla itt yet, huh? I don't see anything reported on that so you will have to tell us
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Polixenes13/status/1120665058080624640
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