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How loving cool would it be if the show had the balls to kill Brienne and/or Jaime when they got overrun? How loving cool would it be if the show had the balls to let Jon get eaten by the Zombies surrounding him after it looked like he was gonna kill the NK 1-on-1? How much would everybody here be losing their minds all week long? But nah everybody survived except the people who had expiration dates stamped on their foreheads. Arya teleport-stabbing the NK would feel less cheesy if there was more cost. Rob made a couple dumb mistakes and got himself, his pregnant wife, his mom and their entire army loving brutally murdered. Pregnant woman stabbed to death in the belly. That's what made this show what it is. But instead Jon lives, Dany lives, Arya lives, Sansa lives, Brienne lives, everybody loving lives even though they were all surrounded by zombies and contemplating suicide. Nah they're all fine, it worked out, magic timing. Its just too easy. This world shouldn't be that easy. It should have to be earned. Mistakes like they've been making should get people killed. E: I know somebody's gonna say "what's the point bringing Jon back only to let him die later then", but you could argue he was necessary to untie Dany's army with the North, which could end up still being necessary to save the day. Baric got brought back only to die later. Seems like the lord of light treats people as pretty disposable.
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So like gently caress the story arguments. Did anyone else with an OLED TV have this episode and any dark scenes in general look like complete poo poo? I was watching via HBO Go and the first 20-30 minutes were so bad. I need to find some 4k 
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Apr 29, 2019 16:58
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Hey, didn't really like this episode, but wanted to make it clear I think I'm way better than other people who didn't like it.
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Apr 29, 2019 16:59
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I said come in! posted:I disagree with this, my reference is the first two Terminator movies, or Aliens. You can totally do relentless enemies who's only motivation is to kill and have it be meaningful. The meaningful part of those movies is the interactions between the human characters. The ultimate defeat of the villain is not the best part of any of those movies.
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Apr 29, 2019 17:00
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KidDynamite posted:So like gently caress the story arguments. Did anyone else with an OLED TV have this episode and any dark scenes in general look like complete poo poo? I was watching via HBO Go and the first 20-30 minutes were so bad. I need to find some 4k I don't think it was your TV, I watched it through HBO go as well and the dark scenes were riddled with compression artifacts. I think it's just the codec HBO use or some poo poo.
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Apr 29, 2019 17:00
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RIP Theon, Ser Friendzone, and nameless Dothraki extras.
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Apr 29, 2019 17:00
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Atoramos posted:Yea, I don't really expect them to go in this direction because it would throw out a lot of the books and leave a bunch of loose ends, but I do think most of the foreshadowing for last night came from the last two seasons (Arya fighting Brienne, her conversation with Melisandre, her appearing in the Wood behind Jon). I think around that time they sat down and really penned out the ending, and decided what to throw out from the books including Azor Ahai. Again, lots of loose ends like they could have killed off Nymeria besides the budgeting and work it would take to get her back into the story. Despite how much it would anger fans, I could see the death of magic being an ending they felt worked best for the show. even that ending is too high brow for these writers. i'm pretty convinced we are going to get all the obvious foreshadowed plot beats, cersei and/or danny and/or jon will die, and thats the end thanks for watching. would love to be wrong.
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Apr 29, 2019 17:01
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:- Theon being a great warrior, but somehow thinking charging at the NK is a great idea and getting instakilled. He knew he was dead. That was his way of facing death and going out with honour.
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Apr 29, 2019 17:02
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Cyber Dog posted:i thought the arya thing was a good payoff. she spent a lot of time in a land of death training to be a pseudo-mystical in a supernatural sense. she was always supposed to be more than just good at fighting--she didnt just get trained to fight, but to have powers above the range of the rational or perceptible. she's closer to mellisandre than most other characters in that sense. I think this is a nitpicky gripe, but I can't quite get it out of my head...for the most part when Bran or Melisandre use their powers to quote something, it is an exact quote. They switched the order of the eyes in the pep talk for Arya, to make it seem like something was foreshadowed before, but probably wasn't. Even worse considering she actually said the line to Arya herself. The other weird thing about Arya being able to pull everything off because she's an awesome assassin, is that she never actually was? She didn't really ever complete her training, and didn't perform the kills she was supposed to while she was over there. Clearly she has all sorts of fighting skills, but the only person she really ever snuck up on was the Waif, and that's a payoff to her learning to fight blind. Couple that with the fact that we never got a good visual for how she sneaks up on NK in the Godswood here, and it all falls kind of flat.
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"But Khaleesi, we are light cavalry, we wear no armor and don't carry pole weapons" Said no Dothraki.
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Cyber Dog posted:i thought the arya thing was a good payoff. she spent a lot of time in a land of death training to be a pseudo-mystical in a supernatural sense. she was always supposed to be more than just good at fighting--she didnt just get trained to fight, but to have powers above the range of the rational or perceptible. she's closer to mellisandre than most other characters in that sense. But her powers were about blending in with a crowd and surprising people by stabbing them while wearing somebody else's face. Suddenly being able to teleport is a whole other type of assassin magic. Its like Leia suddenly being able to fly around in space when no Jedi has ever been even mentioned to have that power, much less showing her training or trying to learn how to fight that way or something. Even having Arya kill dozens of white walkers with her staff is pushing things, because she's not a front line soldier. She's a sneaky rogue assassin who sneaks into your bedroom disguised as your whore and stabs you when you drop your pants. That's how the faceless men operate. To go from that to being able to jump like a D&D monk is kinda weird. If the NK wasn't surrounded by his entire loving army it might make sense... but he was. And there's no reason for him not to be. So her just sneaking past them all and the NK being like "oh poo poo I am surprised!" just feels way too convenient. This guy was supposed to be a huge threat. But looking back he wasn't really all that. Basically a video game boss. Doesn't feel... real. E: Its made worse by Arya being scared by like 5 white walkers just a half hour earlier. She got a pep talk from Melisandre and now she's super-saiyan. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Colonel Whitey posted:The meaningful part of those movies is the interactions between the human characters. The ultimate defeat of the villain is not the best part of any of those movies. The best part of T2 is probably the box of roses Best part of Alien is bishop spitting cum everywhere Best part of Aliens is the scene where the turrets are shooting Characterization informs the action and makes it better, but action is for sure the more fun part
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The Arya payoff is fine. The end of the show revolving around murking the fourth or fifth-tier Greyjoy and a goofy-rear end maester is highly questionable given the build-up of winter. Sometimes I guess you just need the bad pussy (writing).
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:- Bran doing literally nothing except flying some ravens around. this is my biggest gripe really Bran is one of the most powerful and important people in Winterfell, as established at the start of the fight he comes up with the whole plan and then wargs out what's he doing? what's his plan?? whatever he's doing it's more important than the fight going on in the grove to protect him, because he's just warging right through it all the Night King strolls in. it's just him and Bran. all the defenders are dead or overwhelmed. oh no! how are the good guys going to win now? it's time for Bran's big gambit to finally pay off no gambit, just magical assassin. ok, well, I guess that makes about as much sense as anything, but then wtf was Bran doing all episode? apparently just watching porn in his head or something Zaphod42 posted:Its just too easy. This world shouldn't be that easy. It should have to be earned. Mistakes like they've been making should get people killed. I really thought they would at least let one of the dragons die, but apparently they're both still kicking in the previews.
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No Wave posted:The best part of Terminator 1 is Kyle Reeser jumping through the window at the beginning. the best part of Aliens is not in the film Aliens? (yes I am being pedantic)
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I thought Brienne was a goner when she got swarmed and was screaming. Then they cut to another scene later and she was upright and fine. Lightning choices aside, the editing of the battle was really bad this episode. It all felt out of whack, with no real rhythm between scenes, especially once the fight made its way to the trenches and ramparts. By comparison, the pacing of the big fights from Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards were a lot tighter—though, they had the benefit of not being as big, or as long. But still, they were large enough set pieces that carried a nice visual flow of action from start to finish. The Battle of Winterfell was too jarring in too many places for it to be super entertaining for me. There were some really cool shots, but not enough to encourage me revisit the episode for its battle scenes several times over like I have for Hardhome. [edit] Tim Porter was still the editor — same guy on Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards — so no idea what happened. teagone fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Surely we get a nice bit of exposition from Bran next week on what he saw after he peeped the night king right???? Right?????
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"Game of Thrones" is a better title for a TV Show than "A Song of Ice & Fire", so I get why they went with that instead. That said, it's the title of the first book because that's when the story was about political squabbles and who gets to sit the Iron Throne, and the rest of the books (and the show) have since gone on to be about navigating said Game effectively enough to prevent the end of the world. Now that the end of the world has already been wrapped up, it's going to be difficult for me to go back to caring about birthrights or succession or whatever.
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No Wave posted:The best part of Terminator 1 is Kyle Reeser jumping through the window at the beginning. On the contrary, the action is meaningless without characterization and a personal story. Those scenes you mentioned are good but man I way disagree that any of them are the best part of the movie or have anything to do with why the movies work as a whole.
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There was some really dumb stuff with the tactics, like really dumb. It was enough to pull me out of the moment a bunch of times during the first half because "what the gently caress?". It wasn't enough to ruin the spectacle or make the episode not fun though. My real complaint was that the books were great because of a combination of complex plots and twists that hit hard because of a willingness to toss favorite characters. And the conclusion of this big bad plotline went off exactly straightforward according to plan in a conventional straightforward fight. If I was writing that episode I would have had Arya kill Bran and use his face to ambush the NK, with some bit of ending a cycle between the night king and the three eyed Raven forseen by Bran. Maybe using an opening that that is caused by a dying Theon foot-stabbing one of the white walkers with the broken spear and some chaos happening.
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Straight White Shark posted:this is my biggest gripe really Maybe he knew arya was getting scared so he warged her into killing the night king!
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Colonel Whitey posted:Sounds really loving boring and lame to me! The battle is tough but it becomes clear the Lannister army would have made the difference. The dead kill everyone who doesn’t flee the north and surrounds and kills the survivors in king’s landing. Final scene is Arya or Bran or Tyrian or some other bozo character arriving at not-china in Easteros to tell them to BUILD THE WALL fin e: after the credits we see shots of polar bears swimming hopelessly and GRRM addresses the camera promoting a carbon tax Delthalaz fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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lezard_valeth posted:Screenshots of the whole sequence were leaked into the spoiler thread and people were convinced that they were arranged out of order, like someone killing a white walker and it turning to snow, and meanwhile Arya attempting to shank the NK and failing. Link to the post when this shitshow starts?
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Thom and the Heads posted:Surely we get a nice bit of exposition from Bran next week on what he saw after he peeped the night king right???? He's just going to go "my job here is done now" and animorphs into the tree and that'll be that.
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Straight White Shark posted:this is my biggest gripe really Someone said hey saw ghost standing in the crowd in the preview, so the zombies can't kill anything important. I bet the Dothraki just said "screw this, I'm riding south" and bailed. E:VV I thought I missed a scene, guess I didn't. There really want any payoff to that besides "looks like these folks are in a bit of a pickle" then it cut to people fighting upstairs. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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The thing that bugs me most is how the crypt stuff played out, and I don't think Ive seen people thank about it. Once the zombies start coming out, you can have everyone die, have Sansa and/or others help the survivors, or they could pointedly fail to save people in a demoralizing way. Any number of things could happen. The payoff is that Sansa and Tyrion share a moment, and then stealth dash to a corner of the crypt that isn't any more hidden or defensible than the others, just one that none of the zombies have noticed yet despite all the people huddled there. And then they just continue not to notice until the battle ends because they're simply focused on other victims.
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Delthalaz posted:The battle is tough but it becomes clear the Lannister army would have made the difference. The dead kill everyone who doesn’t flee the north and surrounds and kills the survivors in king’s landing. Final scene is Arya or Bran or Tyrian or some other bozo character arriving at not-china in Easteros to tell them to BUILD THE WALL lol
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Dr Christmas posted:The thing that bugs me most is how the crypt stuff played out, and I don't think Ive seen people thank about it. Once the zombies start coming out, you can have everyone die, have Sansa and/or others help the survivors, or they could pointedly fail to save people in a demoralizing way. Any number of things could happen. big takeaway in this episode is that zombies have no peripheral vision at all also, saw this on reddit and it made me laugh 
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Arya most likely jumped from this tower above all the nonsense on the ground.
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What if arya puts on a face but then bran wargs the face so you have this scene where tywin Lannister is like "Cersei I'm back, can I have a hug? Err I mean what is the passage of time? Humanity beckons the abyss---knock it off bran!-- I missed you so much, get over here my daughter
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Vintersorg posted:Arya most likely jumped from this tower above all the nonsense on the ground. That's a hell of a jump considering Bran was sitting right at the base of the weirwood
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Arya should have disguised herself as a tree like a grade school play to sneak up on him
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So Cersei's going to go Mad-King to try to up the stakes right?
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Wafflecopper posted:That's a hell of a jump considering Bran was sitting right at the base of the weirwood She got Littlefingers teleported and bamf'd her self just about the NK Magic with a Valyrian Steel dagger!
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Wafflecopper posted:That's a hell of a jump considering Bran was sitting right at the base of the weirwood Probably a REALLY thick branch on the tree just above em. Like in Sekiro  .
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Frog Act posted:big takeaway in this episode is that zombies have no peripheral vision at all Bran never warging into some animal miles away to kill someone is a huge letdown. Like have they even considered the ramifications of this power? I wanna see an eagle peck out Cersei's eyes.
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Vintersorg posted:Arya most likely jumped from this tower above all the nonsense on the ground. And she probably landed with a sick roll and looked super badass
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Metal Gear Arya was cool, teleport stab Arya was extremely stupid.
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Vintersorg posted:Arya most likely jumped from this tower above all the nonsense on the ground. What if the whole army of the undead just stayed in the distance and the NK just torched Bran with his dragon? Or what if he just ignored the keep and surrounded the godswood with his army and took Bran? Real fortunate the NK was actually a huge moron. That was almost scary.
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Delthalaz posted:The battle is tough but it becomes clear the Lannister army would have made the difference. The dead kill everyone who doesn’t flee the north and surrounds and kills the survivors in king’s landing. Final scene is Arya or Bran or Tyrian or some other bozo character arriving at not-china in Easteros to tell them to BUILD THE WALL I thought for sure that was the ending we were going to get because RR Martin himself has stated that the White Walkers were an analogy for a divided humanity failing to unite to fight environmental destruction/ Climate Change. Unless there is some absurd twist this show is going to end on an epic wet fart.
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