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One thing that's worth mentioning about the old GoT deaths was that they substantially altered the arc of the plot. Not just in the sense that "Now this character gets no more screen time but everyone else continues as usual", but in the sense that the trajectory of many characters, even whole nations, shifted with it. Like how when Ned died, that led to the Seven Kingdoms breaking out into civil war. When Drogo died, Dany's arc shifts radically as the destiny she supposedly had crumbles and only when she actually goes ahead with burning the witch alive does she discover her dragons and come back into power. When Rob died, the war ended and the power dynamics shifted. Joffrey dies, and the culture of King's Landing leadership changes, Tyrion gets imprisoned, other people betray Tyrion, eventually leading to Tyrion falling into despair and deeper resentment ultimately leading to him killing Tywin, which sends King's Landing spiraling down as a result of Cersei's leadership. So compare with last season, where Littlefinger dies, and everyone just kind of...moves on and doesn't dwell on him. Or the explosion at the Sept of Baelor, which does lead to war with the Tyrells, but that gets snuffed out relatively quickly, and then the Tyrells and the religious zealots just don't get mentioned and Cersei's plot stays relatively static as she sinks into just the role of antagonist with lessened screen time. And relatedly, the past few seasons haven't had the general thread of the plot changing substantially from season to season. Seasons 6, 7, and 8, at least in retrospect, don't have the same kinds of reversals of fortune that characterized the earlier seasons. Jon comes back to life, then he takes back Winterfell, then he joins Dany, then he successfully defends the place from the White Walkers, none of which necessarily conflicts with our expectations or what we want for the character (which might be why some people criticize it as fan service -- the characters we like, by and large, have gotten what they want, without any major surprises). The revelation about Jon being a Targ might lead to some of those kinds of changes in the next three episodes, of course. But there's still a lot less of the unexpected.
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I have a feeling this episode looked amazing in the edit room, so I'm hoping HBO releases some sort of high-bitrate stream or download so folks can watch is an intended without having to wait for a BluRay release. I realize it's pretty unlikely they'd do it, but it's not often you have the general public complaining about encoding issues.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:44
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Randall Tarley might have been a dick, but his assessment of Sam was spot on, as Sam proved last night.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:44
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General Dog posted:The walkers turned out to be a less formidable opponent than the Boltons And basically any army
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Apr 29, 2019 21:46
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This is the main problem with a weak point army and it's why we no longer see any colossi around today.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:48
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Did Dany and her army sacrificing themselves actually make any kind of a difference? Bran & Arya are at Winterfell regardless, and NK's death wasn't contingent on them needing to stall for enough time or weaken his army or anything. He's never really any less than full strength the entire time.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:50
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U-DO Burger posted:would've owned if dany or jon looked down from their dragon and saw the fires and destruction resembled the mural. something like this: 
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Apr 29, 2019 21:50
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Xanderkish posted:One thing that's worth mentioning about the old GoT deaths was that they substantially altered the arc of the plot. Not just in the sense that "Now this character gets no more screen time but everyone else continues as usual", but in the sense that the trajectory of many characters, even whole nations, shifted with it. Like interactions at King's Landing were so structured by Joffrey being a psycho, and his disappearance changed everything... same idea with Tywin. At this point everyone feels so independent that you could basically kill anyone off and it just wouldnt matter, nobody is really reliant on anyone else and nobody does anything very important so their disappearance wouldnt really matter. Like Daenerys disappearing with her dragons would kind of matter, but not really.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:56
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a much better ending to that episode
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Apr 29, 2019 21:56
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I was also genuinely surprised by the lack of main character deaths in this episode. I agree with that poster awhile back who said this should have been the Red Wedding 2.0, at least.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:57
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Meanwhile, on Reddit:      
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Xanderkish posted:One thing that's worth mentioning about the old GoT deaths was that they substantially altered the arc of the plot. Not just in the sense that "Now this character gets no more screen time but everyone else continues as usual", but in the sense that the trajectory of many characters, even whole nations, shifted with it. Too many
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I think a lot of what we're seeing in terms of "bad" is not really just outright laziness on the part of the writers/directors/showrunners, but practical limitations on how long you can run a show like this with all the same cast. Actors probably want to gtfo and not have an entire season on the reverberations of Littlefinger's death, Lady Stoneheart, and developing random Dothraki characters and nuances around the white walker's motivations. They're trying to execute on the threads they can quickly before they have to recast Kit Harrington or whatever. As a fan and consumer, I don't *like* it at all, but I get it, and although I think the show overshadows the books in many ways, this will be one pro- the books have over the shows, which is a bunch of rambling details for our imaginations to soak up.
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ok the one about stretching the conclusion is pretty funny.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:59
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Xanderkish posted:Meanwhile, on Reddit:
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Apr 29, 2019 21:59
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Ned is about to get executed but right before Illin' Payne swings the sword Syrio Forel jumps in from offscreen and stabs him and then has some quippy one liner.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:00
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Bran pulling a hector with a dragon glass explosion that destorys the night king would have been hilarious tbh. Sad that didnt happen.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:01
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Sad that the Night King was poisoned by his enemies...
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Apr 29, 2019 22:01
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The only ballsy thing this show could have done since season 4 was have the White Walkers destroy Westeros (as a metaphor for climate change) with the survivors fleeing to Essos, and... welp.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:02
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I hope the final episode is just Jon and Dany having lunch and Cersi walks in the door behind them, and moments later the screen just goes black and the end credits play
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Apr 29, 2019 22:03
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Cygni posted:a much better ending to that episode *Ayra flies past the NK and stabs Bran, turns around and high fives the NK Freeze frame as Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song plays, credits roll*
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Apr 29, 2019 22:06
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I get a serious Battlestar Galactica vibe out of GoT lately. First few seasons are some of the greatest television ever produced. Coupled with amazing fan discussions, theories, ect. Then it begins to get weird, the plot holes get larger, the hero's plot armor larger, and by the end we're all still having fun watching it but you have to turn off your braincells to do so. Let's just hope there is no GoT equivalent of "The Plan".
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PostNouveau posted:Ned is about to get executed but right before Illin' Payne swings the sword Syrio Forel jumps in from offscreen and stabs him and then has some quippy one liner. "I have a tongue and you don't"
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What does Bran even loving do for them anyway? "Hey guys I know the future and how this battle plays out, and who lives and who dies and could probably keep some of you alive, but nah gonna fly around with some birds chasing around the Night King for the lols" "I could have told Theon to just stall for time; oh well!"
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Alec Eiffel posted:Dawg, we are mad that what we believed to be the biggest plotline of GoT is over. Arya could have killed him in two episodes and most people would've been satisfied. Or maybe just me. Just Chamber posted:This show started out showing that major characters could die at any time, and the likelihood of happy endings was slim to none. tylersayten posted:Now, let's move onto some of the bad stuff. I, like many others, thought Arya "assassinating" the Night King like that was some completely contrived, fan-service level bullshit. Not only did it not make any sense at all (just walking past thousands of zombies and White Walkers next to the NK?), it was completely anti-climatic considering how the White Walkers were built up as this unique, supernatural threat from the very first scene of the series and the books. They were obvious metaphors and allegories for climate change, and I genuinely wish that was the angle they went for. Remember that mad women at Night's Watch in the beginning of the show meticulously describing the horror of the Long Night to Sam and co? Specifically how the Long Night is so cold it will kill you within a matter of minutes of going outside if the dead didn't get you first? Or what about the history of the Night King before he was turned? There's literally nothing to it at all? So all that was essentially scrapped? They literally pulled a Snoke on the Night King and White Walkers? This is some lazy bullshit. Niwrad posted:I agree. The battle was a great spectacle and I thought a lot of it was shot incredibly well. But once you realized all the main characters were not going to die, there weren't a lot of stakes. ruddiger posted:Tyrion already knew where the wildfyre caches were from his time as hand of the king. gently caress asking Cersei for poo poo, use the meeting as a ruse to get in the city and just have some soldiers take the wildfyre while Cersei sat around acting smug in the Dragonpit. trickybiscuits fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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I said come in! posted:People keep stating this foolishness but Lyanna Mormont died last night. Lyanna was badass but basically an extra who got extra screentime because she was so good. Her death was the most significant, but it wasn't enough for that level of war. The Red Wedding killed more people and it was a wedding. This was the battle for life and death, a battle against the army of the dead. Ah well, agree to disagree at this point.
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Bananasaurus Rex posted:Bran pulling a hector with a dragon glass explosion that destorys the night king would have been hilarious tbh. Sad that didnt happen. I was hoping more for an Aliens-type death. Bran and Theon are being swarmed by Wights and the WW approach. Theon, mortally wounded, crawls to Bran's side, as he pulls a dragon glass grenade from his chair. They grasp the grenade together, about to let it detonate. 'You always were an rear end in a top hat Theon.'
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No Wave posted:I agree with all of this. It's not the fact people died surprisingly and shockingly early on, it's that someone central to how the world worked was suddenly gone. That seems like a hand waivy cop out. Dany or Jon dying at this point could have major ramifications. The remaining forces would fall to infighting, maybe Dany burns more people, maybe Cersei wins. IDK. Anything is possible if you don't think in cliches. Brienne dying could impact Jaime in big, BIG ways. Etc. Etc.
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If someone had told me before yesterday that Bram would Allah Akbar himself to kill the Night King I would have believed it without hesitation. What is even the point of Bram in the show? what does he do?
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Robb and Cait dying at the red wedding was special and memorable because it completely hosed up the conflict everyone thought the show was about. The only way something similar could be done here is if Daenerys AND Jon died. Actually that would be neat.
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Mons Hubris posted:The first Brienne screaming scene looked like a skeleton guy was eating her intestines so I was pretty surprised when she was still fighting later Alec Eiffel posted:Pretty cool that Sam failed around on the floor and escaped death by zombie avalanche through sheer force of Dave Hill in the writers room Alec Eiffel posted:Dawg, we are mad that what we believed to be the biggest plotline of GoT is over. Arya could have killed him in two episodes and most people would've been satisfied. Or maybe just me.
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No Wave posted:Robb and Cait dying at the red wedding was special and memorable because it completely hosed up the conflict everyone thought the show was about. Well I guess the Night King dying at Winterfell basically accomplishes the same thing.
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No Wave posted:
Jon and Daenerys dying would have been amazing especially to see the survivors struggle with "we won the winter war but what the gently caress do we do now" when they realize they still have to deal with Cersei and her mercenary army.
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jon should've chucked his sword to ohko viserion
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*23 hours after the battle of winterfell* ”MAN THE WALLS!!!”, Jaime shouts
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No Wave posted:Robb and Cait dying at the red wedding was special and memorable because it completely hosed up the conflict everyone thought the show was about. One could argue that's exactly what happened
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