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Drink-Mix Man posted:Why not both? Julian becomes a secret agent doctor, going undercover on high-stakes missions to covertly administer vaccines to populaces under authoritarian rule and stuff like that "You knew about this? Yet you did nothing?' "Julian, it's not that simple. This colony was revolting constantly. The mercury, the increased autism, it makes for a more manageable populace. We're on the side of peace, of order." "You played on people's fears! I turned aside when I found out about the fluoride in the water, and I even understood the chemtrails, as much as I disagreed. But this? It's too far. I swore an oath to do no harm." "What are you going to do, tell the truth? Try your vaunted Starfleet homeopathy?"
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:wow, xenophobic much? i mean, i'm also okay with them running into aliens that are cool and good, maybe as background for a nice low-stakes episode.
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Brawnfire posted:"What are you going to do, tell the truth? Try your vaunted Starfleet homeopathy?" Oh gently caress, this made me realize that if The Orville gets a third season there is a nearly certain chance that we'll get a homeopathy/vaccines episode.
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Apr 30, 2019 20:09
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Why not both? Julian becomes a secret agent doctor, going undercover on high-stakes missions to covertly administer vaccines to populaces under authoritarian rule and stuff like that Already happened in the Section 31 novels sorta apparently.
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Zurui posted:Oh gently caress, this made me realize that if The Orville gets a third season there is a nearly certain chance that we'll get a homeopathy/vaccines episode. They already had one where Alara's parents had a home invasion from anti-vax terrorists
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Apr 30, 2019 20:14
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My series: The federation, having absorbed the klingons, romulans, and cardassians, discovers that the key to exploring beyond the Milky Way is a scientific/mathematical principle that will require unifying the entire galaxy to unlock. The new mission: bring the Borg and Dominion into the Federation. But this mission is jeopardized by the newly emergent Borg Emperor, who is a giant being whose body is made of Borg cubes, and whose first act is to declare all out war on the dominion. In order to challenge this, the changlings introduce the Mega-Link which is the merged entities of all changelings to become the ultimate shapeshifter. A huge scale war breaks out with the Federation having to toe the line to try to bring peace. Also, because this is a fantasy show, in Episode 1 there is some kind of disaster that completely destroys the Mirror Universe, Section 31, and the Bajoran race.
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My series: It's the 33rd century, the Federation still exists and is much, much bigger, but is still doing its exploration thing. The boundaries are bigger and the tech is better, but there's still new places to see and weird-rear end aliens to
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Apr 30, 2019 20:20
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Baronjutter posted:non-negotiable post-ds9 trek canon: Is it too late to third this? Least we have the Orville if we want to see something at least try to be good old optimist Star Trek.
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Apr 30, 2019 20:37
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:They already had one where Alara's parents had a home invasion from anti-vax terrorists I think they were just mad that their son got discredited for falsifying his research. Good episode tho.
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Apr 30, 2019 20:41
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Angry_Ed posted:Already happened in the Section 31 novels sorta apparently. Because he's ostensibly a savant at medical research it's just legitimately sad writers think he's "moving up" in the universe by participating in police state horseshit instead of finding the gene that cures roddenberry
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Apr 30, 2019 21:17
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Watching Unification, the TNG two-parter with S*P*O*C*K. I don't think I've seen these before! There's something very fun and refreshing about them. Lots of locations, effects work, and character moments (Worf rapturously joining in with the Klingon opera he requests). I imagine this one's budget was substantial. lol, Denise Crosby accidentally bumps Romulan shoulders points with a guard as she runs past him. I really liked the idea of Crosby returning as a villain, especially since they tied it into a sensible backstory. Unfortunate that Sela never really got much character motivation beyond 'vindictive Romulan.' Not a big fan of how they hurriedly throw in Spock mindmelding with Picard at the end. That deserved a proper scene.
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Apr 30, 2019 21:28
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Cardassians can't join the Federation because they can't wear turtlenecks.
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The Cardassian neck trick is just putting on a shirt with a tight collar.
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Pick posted:Because he's ostensibly a savant at medical research it's just legitimately sad writers think he's "moving up" in the universe by participating in police state horseshit instead of finding the gene that cures roddenberry Not quite what I meant. Basically there's a plot thread across several novel series where the Andorian species is dying out (or will do so in about 200 years) because apparently they need all 4 of their genders to have a child and there's a genetic bottleneck now. The Typhon Pact (a Federation/Dominon-esque alliance of races including Breen, Tholian, Romulans, Gorn, and many more) tell the Andorians that the Federation totally know how to fix this problem but won't do it, because another novel series had to explain the tech for dermal regenerators and Project Genesis not only had the same origin, but it was some sort of alien meta-genome thing that is so secret only the Federation President and CINC of Starfleet can look at it, together. So something even more secret than the Omega Molecule. Anyway the Tholians leak this info and the Andorians decide they're going to quit the Federation. Meanwhile Bashir is still trying to kill Section 31 because why wouldn't he, learns about the problem and the Genome, manages to get Section 31 to just give him the thing (because they're idiots) and with the help of several doctors in the galaxy (including Pulaski because why the gently caress not) he creates a cure that fixes the recessive genome problems and completely rewrites the Andorians DNA to prevent it from ever happening again. As a reward for helping a founding member of the Federation fix a serious existential problem (and return them to the Federation to boot), Bashir is arrested and court-martialed for treason because reasons. Though it turns out that court-martial was actually so Section 31 would be like "so hey wanna join us now?" so that Bashir could infiltrate them and destroy them from within but nobody knows that including the incoming Federation President so the plan almost doesn't work because Bashir gets pardoned and...yeah it's silly. And yet all of this is less silly than theoretical DS9 Season 8 being like "ok so Bashir now is running Section 31..."
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I've actually heard that but was just trying to set up my joke  . Thank you though!
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Apparently Sela was in her mid 20s when she tried to destroy the Vulcans, which uh seems a bit young.
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Apr 30, 2019 21:49
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Sela (Crosby) was the leader of the Romulans in Star Trek Online.
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and as we all know, STO is canon
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Star Trek reboot where instead of the steady decline from possibly-socialist liberalism to post 9/11 paranoia and militarism we get to see what that universe would look like if the radical notions people ascribe to Star Trek were actually fully expressed in the text. Let Starfleet be the military arm of a socialist government, and either do away with the prime directive altogether, or have it be an actual source of conflict within the Federation instead of something to be paid lip service and ignored at the earliest convenience. Explore what it means to be post-scarcity. Get a producer who's not a liberal Hollywood type and hire on a lot of political and weirdo writers who will serve up a mix of trippy space poo poo and ideological conflict.
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thotsky posted:Star Trek reboot where instead of the steady decline from possibly-socialist liberalism to post 9/11 paranoia and militarism we get to what that universe would look like if the radical notions people ascribe to it were actually fully expressed in the text. Let Starfleet be the military arm of a socialist government, and either do away with the prime directive altogether, or have it be an actual source of conflict within the Federation instead of something to be paid lip service and ignored at the earliest convenience. Explore what it truly means to be post-scarcity. Get a producer who's not a liberal Hollywood type and hire on a lot of political and weirdo writers who will serve up a mix of trippy space poo poo and ideological conflict. hire a woman
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Resurrect Ursula K. Le Guin.
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thotsky posted:Resurrect Ursula K. Le Guin. alice sheldon could have gone OFF. "And I Awoke and Found Me Here on the Cold Hill's Side" knew what was up.
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Literally called out how hosed up we, specifically, us, are, in 1972. you go, girl. Here's a link.
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Epicurius posted:My plan for a new Star Trek is not to have any new Star Trek. Well there's a way to make that happen--you can stop watching Star Trek. 
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Pick posted:Literally called out how hosed up we, specifically, us, are, in 1972. you go, girl. The sexual angle makes it come across as very conservative, maybe even fashy, but I like the idea that we're trading for the scraps of more technologically advanced aliens / in danger of being enslaved by them. That's pretty similar to David Brin's Uplift Universe. The parallel to colonization is interesting. thotsky fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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It's a interesting short story but I don't think the human race will doom its self by becoming gently caress-obsessed to the point of oblivion if we ever met aliens, specially weird totally non-humanoid aliens.
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drat, i just started TAS after avoiding it because I assumed it was going to be scooby-doo style running from/chasing aliens from room to room, but it's literally just animated TOS stories 
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Baronjutter posted:It's a interesting short story but I don't think the human race will doom its self by becoming gently caress-obsessed to the point of oblivion if we ever met aliens, specially weird totally non-humanoid aliens. 
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when people here are talking about how bad s31 is, are they talking about how it was executed in ds9, or other properties? because as far as im concerned, the books and new movies are for maniacs and perverts, and s31 never really seemed all that bad
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cut the special effects/stunt budget to  and so force the writers to come up with compelling characters and plots to make the thing watchable
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lol but seriously posted:cut the special effects/stunt budget to otoh if you slash a show's budget too hard they have to hire jerry doyle
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Pick posted:otoh if you slash a show's budget too hard they have to hire jerry doyle just glanced over his wiki and noticed that he was floated as a potential replacement for bruce willis on moonlighting. makes perfect sense edit: AND he was on the bold and the beautiful
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Verviticus posted:when people here are talking about how bad s31 is, are they talking about how it was executed in ds9, or other properties? because as far as im concerned, the books and new movies are for maniacs and perverts, and s31 never really seemed all that bad Section 31 is also overused in secondary works, probably also because of 9/11.
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As much as I love the beard gif I still don't really see Riker's clone joining the Maquis.
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Astroman posted:Well there's a way to make that happen--you can stop watching Star Trek. I could. But I like Star Trek a lot, actually. I just think its stuck with the weight of 50 years on it, and a fundamentally conservative fandom and production staff
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bango skank posted:drat, i just started TAS after avoiding it because I assumed it was going to be scooby-doo style running from/chasing aliens from room to room, but it's literally just animated TOS stories Yeah. It starts with the 1:1 opening credits (visually anyway). And the writers from TOS. It must have been so cool in 1973, when Trek was hitting peak cult status and was just off he air a couple of years to see it come back so close to the original. Of course back then it was relegated to Saturday Morning Cartoons and probably a lot of adults never gave it a chance.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i mean, i'm also okay with them running into aliens that are cool and good, maybe as background for a nice low-stakes episode. If you could only hear yourselves. "One of the good ones." Astroman posted:Well there's a way to make that happen--you can stop watching Star Trek. Way ahead of you bro.
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Verviticus posted:when people here are talking about how bad s31 is, are they talking about how it was executed in ds9, or other properties? because as far as im concerned, the books and new movies are for maniacs and perverts, and s31 never really seemed all that bad S31 was fine in DS9, because they actually created it to specifically use it as a bunch of deluded assholes with not a single loving shred of credibility or authority or official standing or anything in the Federation, literally just a bunch of terrorists who misquote the Federation chapter to justify their existence like some moronic militia group made up of sovereign citizens trying to quote admirality law to establish why they are super-non-citizens who are free from the law because they're actually boats. And that the whole reason S31 exists is to destroy them, because gently caress those clowns. The problem is everyone else has completely missed the loving point of them and took them at face value as actually being part of the Federation and actually being hard men making hard choices rather than deluded assholes and thinking they have any purpose whatsoever besides being discredited and destroyed.
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As far as we know, Section 31 in DS9 was one guy with delusions of grandeur. We don't actually know Sloane was backed up by anybody else.
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