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I feel like the Workers never even say anything.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:52
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Vavrek posted:I feel like the Workers never even say anything. Let the warriors speak of war, let the religious speak of the soul, the workers have work to do. Watching And The Rock Called Out No Hiding Place: I love how drat catty Brother Theo is meeting with the other preachers.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:04
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What's like the demographics of the mimbari? It can't be an even 3-way split between the castes, you can't have 1 worker supporting 1 soldier and 1 priest.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:08
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Baronjutter posted:What's like the demographics of the mimbari? It can't be an even 3-way split between the castes, you can't have 1 worker supporting 1 soldier and 1 priest. And you don't. Which is why Delenn later reorganises the Grey Council to have five worker caste and only two each of the other castes.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:17
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Oh no Londo don't accept the Eye from that shady guy. Dooon't  .
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Apr 30, 2019 00:53
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Baronjutter posted:What's like the demographics of the mimbari? It can't be an even 3-way split between the castes, you can't have 1 worker supporting 1 soldier and 1 priest. Thing is, the reason it's the Minbari Federation is that they also have some protectorate races in their territory who trade resources and finished goods in exchange for the Minbari guaranteeing their safety. So you can have a 1 to 1 to 1 demo split...if your total 3 caste members are supported by 12 protectorate folks each.
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May 1, 2019 00:47
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The Mimbari are, as a whole, a deeply backward, genocidal, ultra-conservative imperialistic power barely held in check by the politicial machinations of people like Delen. Also Delen's little lacky is a kinda lovely dude. I get the sense he doesn't do anything out of any sort of convictions, just a sense of blind duty and his incel love for Delen.
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May 1, 2019 01:00
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Baronjutter posted:Also Delen's little lacky is a kinda lovely dude. I get the sense he doesn't do anything out of any sort of convictions, just a sense of blind duty and his incel love for Delen. You would be 100% correct about Lennier.
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May 1, 2019 01:04
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You would be 100% correct about Lennier. Never trust the quiet ones.
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May 1, 2019 01:05
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You would be 100% correct about Lennier. There was a scene where some dude at the space airport was chatting with him and he was all fussy and annoyed by it. I guess telling the dude he didn't want to talk would break some holy pact of politeness, he instead made up a story about how he has some horrible contagious disease and was going home to die from it. The friendly but a bit overbearing dude gave his condolences and left him alone. He rolled his eyes and said to him self that he'll just do some extra prayer ritual or what ever to make up for that white lie. His whole life is about maximizing karma points or what ever, he's like Doug from The Good Place who figured out the point system and is living a 100% selfless life to maximize his points, but not because he's an actual good dude who cares about the world, simply because he's gotta maximize his good place points. Leneer sees the entire world as something he just has to endure and roll his eyes at over the hope he'll what.. get enough soul points for the universe to reward him with Delen? I could see the guy going full incel mass-shooter the moment he knows that ship has sailed or his religion's just some myths and moral guidance.
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May 1, 2019 01:38
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You would be 100% correct about Lennier.
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May 1, 2019 02:08
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Baronjutter posted:There was a scene where some dude at the space airport was chatting with him and he was all fussy and annoyed by it. I guess telling the dude he didn't want to talk would break some holy pact of politeness, he instead made up a story about how he has some horrible contagious disease and was going home to die from it. The friendly but a bit overbearing dude gave his condolences and left him alone. He rolled his eyes and said to him self that he'll just do some extra prayer ritual or what ever to make up for that white lie. This is an absolutely perfect description, and also of a couple of people I've met over the years.
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May 1, 2019 02:45
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Lennier the Minbari.
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May 1, 2019 02:47
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Baronjutter posted:His whole life is about maximizing karma points or what ever, he's like Doug from The Good Place who figured out the point system and is living a 100% selfless life to maximize his points, but not because he's an actual good dude who cares about the world, simply because he's gotta maximize his good place points. Leneer sees the entire world as something he just has to endure and roll his eyes at over the hope he'll what.. get enough soul points for the universe to reward him with Delen? I could see the guy going full incel mass-shooter the moment he knows that ship has sailed or his religion's just some myths and moral guidance. This is something I didn't catch about Lennier until about my second or third run through the series, and it made something that happens later make a lot more sense when it had previously pissed me off at how out of character it seemed. Good catch, this early.
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May 1, 2019 04:15
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He even does the "my love for her is pure and different, you wouldn't understand" speech at one point. Bill Mumy does a pretty good job with him though. Hey, did you know he was the Lost In Space kid? I always thought that was funny.
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May 1, 2019 04:29
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Gnome de plume posted:He even does the "my love for her is pure and different, you wouldn't understand" speech at one point. He actually has a cameo in the Netflix remake of Lost in Space. He's the real Dr. Smith.
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May 1, 2019 04:42
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Gnome de plume posted:He even does the "my love for her is pure and different, you wouldn't understand" speech at one point. He’s also the boy who wishes people into the corn field in that one Twilight Zone, and he reprises the role in the kind of lovely upn twilight zone.
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May 1, 2019 04:50
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Baronjutter posted:There was a scene where some dude at the space airport was chatting with him and he was all fussy and annoyed by it. I guess telling the dude he didn't want to talk would break some holy pact of politeness, he instead made up a story about how he has some horrible contagious disease and was going home to die from it. The friendly but a bit overbearing dude gave his condolences and left him alone. He rolled his eyes and said to him self that he'll just do some extra prayer ritual or what ever to make up for that white lie. i had been interpreting lenier as a clutch player who always comes through but i had forgotten his "nice guy" speech about delenn. he was carrying the printer the whole time 
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May 1, 2019 08:47
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Gnome de plume posted:He even does the "my love for her is pure and different, you wouldn't understand" speech at one point. He's also one of the people behind that Fish Heads song.
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May 1, 2019 12:16
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Bieeanshee posted:He's also one of the people behind that Fish Heads song. Barnes & Barnes! https://youtu.be/cn73Wtem0No
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May 1, 2019 18:13
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He also died on DS9.
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May 1, 2019 18:36
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The actress who plays "Number One" on Mars has the weirdest voice. Is she doing an accent? Is she deaf? Is it just really weird delivery?
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May 1, 2019 19:53
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Baronjutter posted:The Mimbari are, as a whole, a deeply backward, genocidal, ultra-conservative imperialistic power barely held in check by the politicial machinations of people like Delen. You can't just call them backward without any qualifiers, because they're certainly not technologically backward. Their society is. Also, I'm not seeing the imperialistic part. That said, you're spot on with your other points.
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May 1, 2019 20:08
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Torrannor posted:You can't just call them backward without any qualifiers, because they're certainly not technologically backward. Their society is. They apparently have a vast collection of "protectorates" which they simply "protect" out of the goodness and honour of their hearts and totally don't gain economic benefits from these lesser races.
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May 1, 2019 20:10
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Baronjutter posted:The actress who plays "Number One" on Mars has the weirdest voice. Is she doing an accent? Is she deaf? Is it just really weird delivery? I don't know about that lady, but the guy who played Dr Franklin was partially deaf in one ear and totally deaf in the other!
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May 1, 2019 21:01
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Gnome de plume posted:He even does the "my love for her is pure and different, you wouldn't understand" speech at one point. I guess the question is did JMS write Lennier like that intentionally or did those characteristics come about about as a consequence of his own goonish tendencies (thinking of that time he tried to hit on Claudia Christian and got firmly shut down)? Does he actually think Lennier is a good guy and not a hapless jerk?
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May 1, 2019 21:44
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Baronjutter posted:They apparently have a vast collection of "protectorates" which they simply "protect" out of the goodness and honour of their hearts and totally don't gain economic benefits from these lesser races. We have virtually no information about the "protectorates". They could be exploitative in nature, or benevolent. The Mimbari were described several times as notably isolationist, which doesn't really square with being imperialist.
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May 1, 2019 21:46
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They weren't isolationist back during the first Shadow War were they? Could be that they briefly splurged on imperialism, securing their own little zone of space before shutting themselves (and their subjects) off from all outsiders. Could explain what happened to the other races involved in the first shadow war too.
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May 1, 2019 22:11
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Baronjutter posted:The actress who plays "Number One" on Mars has the weirdest voice. Is she doing an accent? Is she deaf? Is it just really weird delivery? I saw her at a B5 panel circa 2002. Her voice sounds like that in normal life though she has a somewhat artificial cadence when she speaks on the show.
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May 1, 2019 23:39
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Torrannor posted:We have virtually no information about the "protectorates". They could be exploitative in nature, or benevolent. The Mimbari were described several times as notably isolationist, which doesn't really square with being imperialist. So was ancient China, but they sure loved their local tributaries, which they saw as a natural and a benevolent arrangement. The military caste was also going on about how they need to go back to "practical" wars fought for concrete gains rather than moral reasons.
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May 1, 2019 23:45
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Maelstache posted:I guess the question is did JMS write Lennier like that intentionally or did those characteristics come about about as a consequence of his own goonish tendencies (thinking of that time he tried to hit on Claudia Christian and got firmly shut down)? Here lies Lennier, he never scored
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May 2, 2019 00:29
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Maelstache posted:I guess the question is did JMS write Lennier like that intentionally or did those characteristics come about about as a consequence of his own goonish tendencies (thinking of that time he tried to hit on Claudia Christian and got firmly shut down)? I think it's a little bit of both. I admit this is pure supposition but I feel like he started writing Lennier this particular way unconsciously, and somewhere along the line he realized what he was doing. I feel like his whole conversation with Dead Morden doesn't work otherwise.
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May 2, 2019 00:53
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:I think it's a little bit of both. I admit this is pure supposition but I feel like he started writing Lennier this particular way unconsciously, and somewhere along the line he realized what he was doing. I feel like his whole conversation with Dead Morden doesn't work otherwise. I would not be surprised if this is the case. Especially with how things end for Lennier in his moment of weakness.
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May 2, 2019 00:57
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Fixing a motorcycle and riding around the station Lennier seems a bit different from chip on his shoulder cuck incel Lennier. And I'm not throwing around the word cuck, he litterally had to stand there while John shouted "woohoo" with her and pretend it was a great honour. Anyways, looking forward to season 5, I heard it's the weakest season from some folks and I'm sad it will be the last.
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May 2, 2019 01:00
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Baronjutter posted:Fixing a motorcycle and riding around the station Lennier seems a bit different from chip on his shoulder cuck incel Lennier. Season 5 is gonna spin its wheels pretty hard for a while, but the latter half is as good as the rest of the show.
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May 2, 2019 01:05
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Season 5 is gonna spin its wheels pretty hard for a while, but the latter half is as good as the rest of the show. It starts off with what is easily my favorite Londo episode and then...yeah...yeahhhhhh
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May 2, 2019 01:07
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Baronjutter posted:Fixing a motorcycle and riding around the station Lennier seems a bit different from chip on his shoulder cuck incel Lennier. Can't lose what was never yours. Although it's anyone's guess how Minbari/Minbari courting is supposed to go. Could be that you're supposed to do unrequited pining for X amount of time until the pants come off, or even romantic impulses could be completely unrelated to long-term pairbonding, like maybe they do arranged marriages. Delenn's approach to romance did have its own little air of pining from afar and making huge gestures out of nowhere, unasked, even if it was never so bad.
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May 2, 2019 01:39
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Season 5 is gonna spin its wheels pretty hard for a while, but the latter half is as good as the rest of the show. i have also been bummed about this but there is a whole half-season of spin off show nobody seems to mention so that has gotta be good right? right?!
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lol but seriously posted:i have also been bummed about this but there is a whole half-season of spin off show nobody seems to mention so that has gotta be good right? right?! how do you feel about lumbergh from Office Space, and holy cow that movie is 20 years old
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