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PokeJoe posted:Time bomb offers are such a stupid loving idea the art of the deal
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Ok. At this point I'm just gonna ask for more money and treat this like the only offer. Doesn't hurt to name my price after their initial offer at this stage, right? Thanks for all the advice again.
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Acer Pilot posted:Ok. At this point I'm just gonna ask for more money and treat this like the only offer. Doesn't hurt to name my price after their initial offer at this stage, right? yup, negotiate with them per normal. at will employment works both ways, don’t hesitate to write your dear john letter if the faang offer blows them out of the water.
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May 1, 2019 04:29
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they're only deluding themselves and the ball is entirely in your court. do what you want
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May 1, 2019 05:29
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Also please please please don't feel like you "owe" them 1 month in after they spend all this time training you but you haven't gotten any real work done. They owe you a better offer than FAANG will give you, and they haven't done that.
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the flip side of the time bomb offer is companies who blow a bunch of smoke about how great you are then send a “the person we really wanted accepted an offer we had out to them” email the day before the on-site
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ShadowHawk posted:Also please please please don't feel like you "owe" them 1 month in after they spend all this time training you but you haven't gotten any real work done. They owe you a better offer than FAANG will give you, and they haven't done that. Tbh FAANGs are an outlier. FAANG gives a lot of money in compensation, but mostly in public stock. It's somewhat unreasonable to expect smaller companies to compete with that in raw cash. Can you get a job at a FAANG? If yes then I'd almost always recommend doing so and negotiating extremely harshly, because the rewards are absolutely life changing. If you're having a hard time doing that, then don't be afraid of taking a good offer elsewhere that is more suited to your interests. At the end of the day, we're all in an industry that pays well above average wages no matter what company you work for. Just do not tolerate cheapskate companies that really take the piss.
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May 1, 2019 09:50
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Facebook Apple Amazon What’s NG?
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Schadenboner posted:
NG deez nuts
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Schadenboner posted:NG deez nuts Curses,  ed again!
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May 1, 2019 12:30
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I gave my notice, going to do rust and didn't even have to take a pay cut for it. $OLDJOB immediately started advertising for my replacement, at 30k more then I'm on
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May 1, 2019 12:44
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Schadenboner posted:
netflix google
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May 1, 2019 13:13
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Rex-Goliath posted:netflix google really should be FAAMG IMO
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May 1, 2019 13:15
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I say "tech major" Oracle can seriously compete with the tech majors in total comp. I've heard of 400k offers to relatively green peeps. You would then have to work at Oracle (lol). Roughly same story with Alibaba and the top unicorns. Microsoft is proving to basically still be a tech major, probably
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May 1, 2019 13:16
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as someone who worked at oracle that must be extremely dependent on which department you work for because everyone i knew was laughably underpaid
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May 1, 2019 13:47
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Rex-Goliath posted:as someone who worked at oracle that must be extremely dependent on which department you work for because everyone i knew was laughably underpaid Oracle Cloud seems to basically be trying to clone Amazon from comp to leadership principal interviews.
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May 1, 2019 14:07
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Rex-Goliath posted:as someone who worked at oracle that must be extremely dependent on which department you work for because everyone i knew was laughably underpaid Every tech major also has a lil hobbyhorse project to try to underpay peeps. Usually contracting but also other stuff in the case of Oracle
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Private Speech posted:really should be FAAMG IMO There are six in the US, the G-MAFIA: Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, IBM and Apple. Three are in China, and they are the BAT: Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent (cf- FTI 2019 report)
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And then calling oracle or ibm tech majors is a goddamn joke
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May 1, 2019 15:04
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why is Netflix in the FAANG list? are they really comparable to the others?
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May 1, 2019 15:12
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hobbesmaster posted:why is Netflix in the FAANG list? are they really comparable to the others? they pay more than the others
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hobbesmaster posted:why is Netflix in the FAANG list? are they really comparable to the others? They are easily the best out of all of them.
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hobbesmaster posted:why is Netflix in the FAANG list? are they really comparable to the others? they have a lot of money, but they mostly spend that on shows and content, not engineering also bob dobbs is dead posted:And then calling oracle or ibm tech majors is a goddamn joke
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May 1, 2019 15:18
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ratbert90 posted:They are easily the best out of all of them. really? I’m vaguely familiar with the others through this forum and people I know working at them but nothing on Netflix is their pay comparable to google? better working environment? do they have that many engineers? Is it almost all devops stuff?
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May 1, 2019 15:22
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from what I've heard netflix is known for paying well but they're also a total nutcase pressure cooker and their average tenure is under a year across the whole company
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May 1, 2019 15:24
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microsoft should be on the list yeah but agreed on lolling at including ibm or oracle. neither have them have been a desirable place to work nor have they been doing anything but coasting on inertia for the past decade at least. oracle has nothing of note and ibm had that colossal wet fart that was watson
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hobbesmaster posted:really? I’m vaguely familiar with the others through this forum and people I know working at them but nothing on Netflix Cuz they pay dumptrucks in cash Average tenure short cuz they pay dumptrucks in cash and also because of the insanity
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qirex posted:from what I've heard netflix is known for paying well but they're also a total nutcase pressure cooker and their average tenure is under a year across the whole company is this the same case that we heard from facebook and google when they were the fresh kids on the block? in that the numbers were skewed because they were hiring so rapidly
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Rex-Goliath posted:is this the same case that we heard from facebook and google when they were the fresh kids on the block? in that the numbers were skewed because they were hiring so rapidly Every growing tech company is hiring as fast as they can
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Rex-Goliath posted:microsoft should be on the list yeah but agreed on lolling at including ibm or oracle. neither have them have been a desirable place to work nor have they been doing anything but coasting on inertia for the past decade at least. oracle has nothing of note and ibm had that colossal wet fart that was watson oracle has been doing significant layoffs if that's "of note"
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Hughlander posted:Oracle Cloud seems to basically be trying to clone Amazon from comp to leadership principal interviews. interviewed there last year , they hired a number of my ex-coworkers in Seattle over a layoff I survived. Spoke with a few older people who were with AWS from the early days, and a number of younger people who really liked their data structure questions. Same I didn't get it because Great Mother Oracle had unzipped her purse all the way
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It’s looking like my company is going to be acquired by one of the giants and i swear to god if it winds up being Oracle i’m going to be so pissed granted- i’ll be pissed under a mountain of cash- but pissed nonetheless
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May 1, 2019 16:37
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Rex-Goliath posted:is this the same case that we heard from facebook and google when they were the fresh kids on the block? in that the numbers were skewed because they were hiring so rapidly Netflix has been around for almost 20 years now and everything I've read about working there indicates the short tenure is because they expect you to overwork or they get rid of you (or a glossed over version of that) at least some people who work at Amazon claim it's OK, division/department dependant but I don't think I've ever seen that kind of talk about Netflix
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Hughlander posted:Oracle Cloud seems to basically be trying to clone Amazon from comp to leadership principal interviews. why would you ever buy a cloud of lawyers?
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Rex-Goliath posted:oracle has nothing of note hey now, if you work on the jvm for a couple years places that are heavily dependent on it will pay you industrial garbage bags full of money to fix/troubleshoot their poo poo and/or use your connections to get changes merged to the official jdk but yeah, that’s about the only thing oracle has going for them. besides the scrooge mcduck swimming pools of cash from gouging people foolish enough to become dependent on oracledb anyway
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netflix has some insanely cool tech around video processing, pipelining, and sentiment analysis among other things their cloud tooling as a non-iaas/paas company is second to none they also pay gobs and gobs of money if you have the opportunity to work at netflix take it asap
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May 1, 2019 21:53
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which job titles should a moron idiot like me woth no career experience actually be applying for
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Arcsech posted:hey now, if you work on the jvm for a couple years places that are heavily dependent on it will pay you industrial garbage bags full of money to fix/troubleshoot their poo poo and/or use your connections to get changes merged to the official jdk and now it’s entering license hell just like everything else so everyone is fleeing for openjdk because larry never met a chicken he wouldn’t gently caress to death
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Scott Baio Nudes posted:which job titles should a moron idiot like me woth no career experience actually be applying for all of them
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Scott Baio Nudes posted:which job titles should a moron idiot like me woth no career experience actually be applying for cto. go big or go home
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