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i was referencing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irx_QXsJiao
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A lot of those hospitals used to be funded by county or municipal governments. Freemarket.txt
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:I can get behind that. They voted themselves into this position by pulling the GOP lever for the past 60 years. About one in three people who depend on that hospital voted for Hillary, give or take.
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May 13, 2019 03:35
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Chichevache posted:Or someone like Gravel, Warren, or Bernie could get them and their kids proper educations and healthcare so that they can be proper citizens who contribute to society. You know, instead of purging people we don't agree with. We all know Mitch McConnel would never allow that, and you're a total fool if you think the proper obstacle to healthcare is the American left or even succ-dems. "let them die" is the default McConnel position. Even for the unborn, he just wants to see them be born and then die of other causes.
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May 13, 2019 03:57
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We really need a modern New Deal to handle our crumbling infrastructure- both the physical and social one. But capitalism, right?
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May 13, 2019 04:01
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Poor people need to stay poor so that I can be the only one with nice things If everyone else had what I have I wouldn't be special anymore
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May 13, 2019 04:06
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Three things in the world should never be run as businesses: schools, healthcare providers, and the government. Their only purpose is to provide a service, nothing more. If the former two aren't running at a loss, then they aren't running correctly. If the government were run correctly, you'd tax people for just as much as you spend, but that would disproportionately take money away from the rich, since, ya know, they're the ones with all the money, so that's never going to happen.
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bulletsponge13 posted:We really need a modern New Deal to handle our crumbling infrastructure- both the physical and social one. The New Deal consisted of a ton of private sector initiatives; it was basically a textbook example of social capitalism where the government encouraged investment in society. Both the left and right wing call it socialism because it's the lazier branding that serves their respective messaging. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/surprising-truth-about-roosevelts-new-deal/584209/ psydude fucked around with this message at 04:12 on May 13, 2019 |
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May 13, 2019 04:10
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Acebuckeye13 posted:About one in three people who depend on that hospital voted for Hillary, give or take. Problem predates Hilldog. This is chickens coming home to roost. Like that town in Texas that would rather be all about the Jesus and not vaccinate their kids when something easily preventable inevitably strikes. These idiots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npYocgDntyY CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 13, 2019 |
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May 13, 2019 04:15
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psydude posted:The New Deal consisted of a ton of private sector initiatives; it was basically a textbook example of social capitalism where the government encouraged investment in society. Both the left and right wing call it socialism because it's the lazier branding that serves their respective messaging. The new deal was a series of half-measures that were only miraculously brought to fruition through a combination of having enough votes in the senate to pack the court, a literally starving populace about six months from murdering and eating the rich for food, and Smedley Butler being an absolute boy.
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And so the stereotype of the finger wagging "I told you so" Democrats will continue.
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A Bad Poster posted:And so the stereotype of the finger wagging "I told you so" Democrats will continue. Can't wait for ebola to cross the ocean and people try to pray their disease away because vaccines are a tool of the devil. There will be fewer people to wag my finger at after that.
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May 13, 2019 04:21
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A Bad Poster posted:And so the stereotype of the finger wagging "I told you so" Democrats will continue. What in the hollering gently caress are they supposed to say? "You have valid concerns about vaccines being sorcery?" "You weren't wrong about cutting your own health services?" Lying to them allows this poo poo to happen again in the future because it gives them a way to ignore the connection between the red swirl on the stove and the searing pain in their hand. They stepped in it and rolled in it like a dog, sure they got duped a little bit but they got here by their own loving actions and they have to carry their own drat weight in getting out of it.
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May 13, 2019 04:27
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Yeah the Democrats completely abandoned these people to but hey some of you just keep going on being a giant piece of poo poo like always
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From the article:quote:Fairfax’s population declined from almost 2,000 to fewer than 1,300 through 40 years of attrition I always get roundly hammered as an insensitive, paternalistic rear end in a top hat when I make this argument to anyone, left or right, which typically leaves me feeling like I'm a crazy person. But I still genuinely believe it would be the best approach, so I'll stick my dick into that hornet nest one more time. Surely it's better to invest in peoples' futures than fight a doomed rear-guard effort to preserve the semblance of a past that has long since slipped away? Right??
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May 13, 2019 04:37
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A Bad Poster posted:Three things in the world should never be run as businesses: schools, healthcare providers, and the government. Their only purpose is to provide a service, nothing more. If the former two aren't running at a loss, then they aren't running correctly. If the government were run correctly, you'd tax people for just as much as you spend, but that would disproportionately take money away from the rich, since, ya know, they're the ones with all the money, so that's never going to happen. Also, any industry that acts as a local natural monopoly or oligopoly. All theoretical benefits you might get from having competition goes out the window in such cases, so there's no reason to just hand whoever manages to be king poo poo in a particular region an extra cut on top of whatever is being provided by that industry.
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I obviously can't speak to the circumstances in most rural hospitals, but I used to manage service at a handful of rural hospitals spread through Wyoming, Colorado and Nebraska. A lot of the residents that live in the dying communities are basically too old to move or are too broke, and then you get a couple people that exist to provide services, lawyers, CPA's etc... people that have roles that can provide a living in the community. Not all the communities with underfunded hospitals have shrinking populations either, they just don't get funding to keep up with the changing costs in the healthcare market, so patients start going into bigger cities to have non-critical services, so they end up losing a big chunk of money. In Colorado at least, you can't really run a hospital if you can't perform orthopedic surgery, treat cancer or perform dialysis, you flat rear end won't have money coming in. Physical therapy, birthing suites, and the E.R. don't bring in enough revenue to keep the doors open. Also, in most small communities, the hospital is the biggest employer in town. Cory Gardner is from Yuma, Colorado, and the hospital in his town provides jobs for 500 people, and as a direct result of policies he has voted for, that hospital stands a very high chance of going bankrupt in the next few years. It's basically as hypocritical as Paul Ryan saying he wants to cut SS even though he directly benefited from his dads SS benefits when he was going through college.
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mlmp08 posted:We all know Mitch McConnel would never allow that, and you're a total fool if you think the proper obstacle to healthcare is the American left or even succ-dems. I don't know why you think I think the left is responsible for the healthcare crisis, but ok. You win, we are on the same side, still. 
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Yeah the Democrats completely abandoned these people to but hey some of you just keep going on being a giant piece of poo poo like always I'm relatively sure democrats haven't let the gop run uncontested in ALL the races in the areas most heavily affected by these closings. Sure, it happens, but not everywhere all the time. Or they could have, you know, run for office themselves, if they really wanted some variety of change. I'm sick of stupid fucks that vote themselves into these holes, all the while saying democrats are satan worshipping gypsies that want death panels and all your money between cries for help, 'mah guns', jesus this and jesus that. I'm sick of their flat refusal to actually compromise like adults instead of jamming fingers in their ears screaming 'la la la abortion la la la guns la la la'. gently caress them. They got what they wanted at the polls.
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May 13, 2019 05:09
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MRC48B posted:A lot of those hospitals used to be funded by county or municipal governments. Freemarket.txt This one explicitly was, and the county is trying to sue to regain control of it before it shuts down so they can save it. But the bankruptcy judge needs to decide thats more important than making sure the hospitals creditors get their money back is less important than people dying, so we know how thats going to go bengy81 posted:I obviously can't speak to the circumstances in most rural hospitals, but I used to manage service at a handful of rural hospitals spread through Wyoming, Colorado and Nebraska. A lot of the residents that live in the dying communities are basically too old to move or are too broke, and then you get a couple people that exist to provide services, lawyers, CPA's etc... people that have roles that can provide a living in the community. Not all the communities with underfunded hospitals have shrinking populations either, they just don't get funding to keep up with the changing costs in the healthcare market, so patients start going into bigger cities to have non-critical services, so they end up losing a big chunk of money. In Colorado at least, you can't really run a hospital if you can't perform orthopedic surgery, treat cancer or perform dialysis, you flat rear end won't have money coming in. Physical therapy, birthing suites, and the E.R. don't bring in enough revenue to keep the doors open. gently caress Cory Gardner. FB likes to show me his posts because its all politically responsible now or some poo poo, and I don't know why he keeps posting given all the hate every time he does.
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RFC2324 posted:gently caress Cory Gardner. FB likes to show me his posts because its all politically responsible now or some poo poo, and I don't know why he keeps posting given all the hate every time he does. Hide/block posts, if it persists, start hitting the report button.
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At least here in SC all the small local hospitals have been being bought by the same three mega-conglomerates and then after much soul searching, they decided economic conditions demand they close exactly the ones that happen to be in the same majority black democratic strongholds that just lost their DMV offices. Chudsville is doin' just fine. 
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RFC2324 posted:This one explicitly was, and the county is trying to sue to regain control of it before it shuts down so they can save it. Man, I loving hate Cory Gardner so much. He claims to be a center of the aisle Republican, but that lying sack of poo poo votes lockstep with every other R and then has the balls to bitch about the Dems being too radical. Pretty glad that he is basically guaranteed fo lose his seat in 2020.
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I dunno man, he won’t lose his seat unless the Dems work harder to win over my coworkers who came up with “Jared Polesmoker” the other day
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Problem predates Hilldog. This is chickens coming home to roost. You're suggesting that everyone who lives in those areas supports those policies and deserve to die because of it. That's both inaccurate and reprehensible.
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May 13, 2019 06:19
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You're suggesting that everyone who lives in those areas supports those policies and deserve to die because of it. That's both inaccurate and reprehensible. It's pretty cool that the rhetoric here is becoming indistinguishable from the conservatives with regards to how we treat people who don't cheer for the same team we do.
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May 13, 2019 06:21
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Chichevache posted:It's pretty cool that the rhetoric here is becoming indistinguishable from the conservatives with regards to how we treat people who don't cheer for the same team we do. This is hardly a new development. It's actually cooled down a bit recently.
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Chichevache posted:It's pretty cool that the rhetoric here is becoming indistinguishable from the conservatives with regards to how we treat people who don't cheer for the same team we do. These people are actively trying to kill my family (and would have killed my wife by now if we lived in Georgia) so I don’t quite see it as red vs blue. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 06:36 on May 13, 2019 |
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Fallom posted:These people are actively trying to kill my family (and would have killed my wife by now) so I don’t quite see it as red vs blue. I don't either, but I also don't see the voters as the real enemy, because belief doesn't come from nowhere. The ultimate enemy are those with the money, power, and spite to promote policies and beliefs that benefit the few to the detriment of the many. Lusting for the death of poor, deluded assholes just rubs me the wrong way when so many of them are just as much victims as anyone else. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 06:36 on May 13, 2019 |
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May 13, 2019 06:34
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Fallom posted:These people are actively trying to kill my family (and would have killed my wife by now if we lived in Georgia) so I don’t quite see it as red vs blue. Yeah, I'm married to a PoC and my little brother is gay, but I don't think exterminating the population of Oklahoma or Wyoming is the solution and wishing for it really wouldn't make me better than the people who do want that. Especially since, you know, not everyone there is an actual genocidal nazi. Maybe just tamp the bloodlust down a bit and only pray for actual bad people to die and not their children and pets too. I think that's a fair compromise.
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https://twitter.com/andybradhv/status/1127683443511431168
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Mayyyybe its him? It is the LCD after all
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TF CURES GENERATOR posted:i was referencing this Oh I absolutely got the reference. I feel bad for these people sure but what the gently caress can you do. They're gonna keep voting for it
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Has one of the Dem candidates gotten on rural healthcare as a campaign topic? You could organize something like there are permanently manned shops with paramedics in the smaller communities and when they deem you to have a problem one of those cool bush planes flies in and whisks you away to the proper hospital two counties over.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You're suggesting that everyone who lives in those areas supports those policies and deserve to die because of it. That's both inaccurate and reprehensible. Yup. Can't convince your neighbors that life is worth saving for a slight increase in taxes on the wealthy because they're too busy daydreaming about how, "one day I'll be rich too," then maybe it's for the best that they eliminate themselves. We don't need to send in the skeleton of Sherman to burn this motherfucker down, republicans are doing a drat fine job of it already.
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May 13, 2019 10:27
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Sweden is reopening the Assange rape case.
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colachute posted:Sweden is reopening the Assange rape case. Hahahaha. Yessssss. Oh so sweet.
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To be fair, Democrats have spent decades abandoning them just as hard because the wealthy donor class behind both of them wants it that way. Difference is Republicans have decided to replace vague and meaningless mouth noises about means tested market based "solutions" with white nationalism and other assorted types of bigotry and it works when people have nothing else.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Jfc 34 new posts in the CE thread Hey man this is an important discussion on how the corporate model is adapting to social pressures such as climate change.
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bird food bathtub posted:To be fair, No.
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