Tab8715 posted:

Is it any more expensive than a normal burger?

VideoGameVet posted:

WetBulb temps are measured (at least as I remember it) by having a thermometer on a stick with a handle that allows you to spin it, and with wet cotton on the 'bulb' of the thermometer. It tells you how much you can cool with evaporation. There are more advanced devices nowadays.



If it exceeds 95ºF you will die. There was some areas in the Persian Gulf that approached this recently.

Conspiratiorist posted:

Like 45%

On a desert deep in the continent, the threat is dehydration and getting loving fried by the heat; high wet-bulb temperatures are a threat for tropical and subtropical areas.

ED: Phoenix is dying within 10-20 years anyway.

thewalk posted:

I find the wet bulb wikipedia confusing.

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How much humidity does it take at 115F before your going to die?

Rime posted:

loving gently caress me sideways, I missed the Beyond Meat IPO last week while I was loving around in Sandon, and it's already gained 200%.

Accretionist posted:

tl;dr: Sweat cools by evaporation. At 100% humidity, sweat can't evaporate.


According to this calculator, ~47%.

thewalk posted:

Phoenix is getting wetter. Im worried were gonna get hit with rain during a hot period and flash past the 35 wet bulb limit. I guess we have better ac service than the persian gulf. But homeless or near homeless people gonna get wrecked

Tab8715 posted:

I was in New Delhi India a few weeks back with 110f.

Even after three bottles of water in the morning I felt no need to use the restroom.

RIP Syndrome posted:

That might be a problem with the water scarcity kicking in too, but something tells me that even in the midst of the most severe drought there will be ♫ Always Coca-Cola ♫

fake edit: Actually their 1995 slogan works better in the kind of world we're expecting -- "Always and Only Coca-Cola".

real edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/14/world/americas/mexico-coca-cola-diabetes.html

Admiral Ray posted:

thewalk posted:

I find the wet bulb wikipedia confusing. How much humidity at 95fahrenheit does it take before people straight up die sitting in the shade?

I ask because Phoenix gets to 115-120F how does the body cool off even when its 0% humidity in those kinds of temperatures. How much humidity does it take at 115F before your going to die?

Especially of interest because

1) I have workers out in the heat

2) climate change is loving with weather patterns and phoenix is getting wetter

chairface posted:

Way back (hundreds to thousands of years ago) when salt was precious and not present in our diets in overabundance you had to also consider salt loss from that kinda thing, but for modern folks if you run into actual salt-balance problems you're probably running a marathon in the blazing heat or some other extreme circumstance. Even then most people are gonna be fine on salt, although it DOES crop up from time to time as a real issue.

VideoGameVet posted:

I do a bit of randonneuring (longer bike rides with check points), just the 200km stuff (some of the events go 1200km). You can drink a lot of water on a hot day doing this (I have 110 ounces on the bike). Fellow riders discovered the best way to prevent cramping is to get some salt, and the fast way is 7-11 and V8 juice.

VideoGameVet posted:

I do a bit of randonneuring (longer bike rides with check points), just the 200km stuff (some of the events go 1200km). You can drink a lot of water on a hot day doing this (I have 110 ounces on the bike). Fellow riders discovered the best way to prevent cramping is to get some salt, and the fast way is 7-11 and V8 juice.

Salt Fish posted:

I've used to be a 100-200 miles a week rider and gently caress cramps my god. I've had a few and they are excruciating and usually I'd have a limp for a few days after. I got one in my apartment once and my then roommate thought I was being a huge cry baby about a charlie horse and I never forgave him.

edit: oh yeah and one neat thing about sweating is that its actually extremely efficient use of your body's salt. Your body pushes salts onto your skin and that's the mechanism by which water leaves your pores. You reclaim almost all of that salt and integrate it back into the cells which is insane if you think about it. You have a sweat a lot to get any kind of salt build up because most of it makes its way back into you.

Vitamin Me posted:

How was the air quality

Tab8715 posted:

On a final note, India is a great example of externalities. I'm in The Woodlands a Houston Suburb and every manhole shows "Made in India". We all know smelting iron, steel, etc. is extremely toxic and all we've done is essentially put that pollution somewhere else.

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

This is a nice little trampoline for me to bounce into the thread. My wife and I want to stuff some cash into companies trying to address climate issues and it's hard to come up with even basic lists. You try to look up stuff related to water and just get some water utilities or something. Trying to go with "climate change" in a search will just get you droned out with feel-good stuff from huge corporations. Does anybody have some list? Are there specific buzzwords and jargon I'm supposed to use?

nankeen posted:

is breaking a ship like breaking in a horse, i'm getting a great mental image

Helen Highwater posted:

I live in Bangkok, the temperature is almost always in the 35-40º range even at night, and the humidity rarely drops below 75%. When I lived in Northern Europe, a 4km walk to work was nbd - 45 minutes or so was fine. Here, my limit is 15 minutes. I can see my office from my condo, and on hot days I still take a motorcycle taxi to work because otherwise I'll arrive too wet to work.

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

This is a nice little trampoline for me to bounce into the thread. My wife and I want to stuff some cash into companies trying to address climate issues and it's hard to come up with even basic lists. You try to look up stuff related to water and just get some water utilities or something. Trying to go with "climate change" in a search will just get you droned out with feel-good stuff from huge corporations. Does anybody have some list? Are there specific buzzwords and jargon I'm supposed to use?

Femur posted:

Tab8715, if you believe in externalities, why do you give a poo poo how much carbon china/india produces, do they have a choice?

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New research shows affected areas are losing ice five times faster than in the 1990s, with more than 100m of thickness gone in some places.

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A complete loss of the West Antarctic ice sheet would drive global sea levels up by about five metres, drowning coastal cities around the world. The current losses are doubling every decade, the scientists said, and sea level rise are now running at the extreme end of projections made just a few years ago.

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From a standing start in the 1990s, thinning has spread inland progressively over the past 25 years – that is rapid in glaciological terms,” said Prof Andy Shepherd, of Leeds University in the UK, who led the study. “The speed of drawing down ice from an ice sheet used to be spoken of in geological timescales, but that has now been replaced by people’s lifetimes.

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The air in the flasks shows that the concentration of methane in the atmosphere had been steadily rising since 1983, before leveling off around 2000. “And then, boom, look at how it changes here,” Dlugokencky says, pointing at a graph on his computer screen. “This is really an abrupt change in the global methane budget, starting around 2007.” The amount of methane in the atmosphere has been increasing ever since. And nobody really knows why. What’s more, no one saw it coming. Methane levels have been climbing more steeply than climate experts anticipated, to a degree “so unexpected that it was not considered in pathway models preparatory to the Paris Agreement,” as Dlugokencky and several coauthors noted in a recently published paper.

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we know that there are about 1,850 molecules of methane in the atmosphere for every billion molecules of air—typically shorthanded as parts per billion, or ppb—in today’s atmosphere. That’s compared to about 700 parts per billion in the pre-industrial era.

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And still others argue that the culprit isn’t a surging source at all, but the steady, or perhaps very sudden, disappearance of a traditional methane “sink.” After an average residence time of about a decade, methane is oxidized into carbon dioxide and water vapor through chemical reactions with hydroxyl radicals (OH). This atmospheric removal process may be weakening, though, possibly because OH levels are declining due to reactions with other anthropogenic pollutants.

Rime posted:

‘Extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside Antarctica




Atmospheric Methane Levels Are Going Up—And No One Knows Why





I increasingly feel that participating in any form of modern society, vs. aggressively trying to raise a revolutionary movement every waking moment of the day, is effectively committing suicide.

Tab8715 posted:

Those temps are normal correct?

Lost Time posted:

If it makes you feel any better, our fates were sealed decades ago. We committed suicide a long, long time ago. What matters now is unfucking the future as best we can and at least try to give future civilizations and everything else a chance in the ruined world we're giving them.

Bloomberg posted:

Gerard Braud has no plans to leave his handsome Creole-style house with its 15-foot-high front porch on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain, a short drive from New Orleans. “Peacefulness and tranquility” is how he explains the appeal of living here.

Except that thanks in part to climate change, the lake keeps hopping the short seawall in front of Braud’s house and taking over his neatly manicured lawn—not just during hurricanes, but also when the tide is high and the winds are strong. His flood insurance premiums have almost doubled to $5,000 a year, making him wonder how difficult it would be to sell even if he wanted to.

In flood-prone areas across southern Louisiana, residents such as Braud risk running out of choices: living in homes that are hard to leave but put them in harm’s way. In response, the state on Wednesday issued a sweeping blueprint—the first of its kind in the U.S.—for managing the ongoing population movement away from its coastal areas, and preparing inland communities to receive an infusion of people.

Tab8715 posted:

Wow.


Louisiana Unveils Ambitious Plan to Help People Get Out of the Way of Climate Change

It's freaking sad but at least they're getting people out ahead of times especially those that have no means to do so. Louisiana loses on average a football field of land every day. Hopefully New Orleans will survive a bit longer. There's so much more than just binge drinking.

Rime posted:

I increasingly feel that participating in any form of modern society, vs. aggressively trying to raise a revolutionary movement every waking moment of the day, is effectively committing suicide.