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lmao i just wanted that there for comparisoin
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that is parody right
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May 20, 2019 19:38
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https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1130543549311623168 if you kill dragon hitler, please do it in a non problematic way thx
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May 20, 2019 19:42
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is.....is that a trope
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May 20, 2019 19:45
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CharlestheHammer posted:is.....is that a trope It's a narrative device that happens every so often (GOT, X-Men) so acting like it's some long lasting and sexist trope is pretty loving dumb. Like I can actually think of multiple times where the genders are reversed. It's just a way to do "Oh no this person I care for has gone mad/become too powerful/etc. and I must kill them for the good of all" in a dramatic way. In her other tweets to conflate it with stats on violence against women is...kinda weird because it's not like it's being shown as a glorious moment or something. There are PLEEEEENNNNTY of poo poo GOT has done in terms of garbage portrayels of women but that's a really strange hill to pick because Dany at that moment had literally said "AND NEXT I WILL BURN THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD MUHAHAHAHAHA" after basically dragon nuking thousands of innocent women and children. OldTennisCourt has issued a correction as of 19:57 on May 20, 2019 |
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May 20, 2019 19:54
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OldTennisCourt posted:There are PLEEEEENNNNTY of poo poo GOT has done in terms of garbage portrayels of women but that's a really strange hill to pick because Dany at that moment had literally said "AND NEXT I WILL BURN THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD MUHAHAHAHAHA" after basically dragon nuking thousands of innocent women and children. ... because the writers choose to have her do that. She's not a real person, so the responsibility of how the story turns out is on the creators.
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May 20, 2019 20:00
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YaketySass posted:... because the writers choose to have her do that. She's not a real person, so the responsibility of how the story turns out is on the creators. I mean, can't the same be said for literally every work with a female villain?
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May 20, 2019 20:02
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But would you kill baby dragon Hitler
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May 20, 2019 20:09
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OldTennisCourt posted:I mean, can't the same be said for literally every work with a female villain? ... it can be said for any piece of fiction writing. Authors are the ones who make their characters do things. GOT has a continuous pattern of lazy misogyny in its writing that has mostly gotten worse, which is worth cataloguing because the pattern is more important than individual instances.
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May 20, 2019 20:19
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 Game of Thrones shall pass like dust in the wind, but Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls shall always stand out as the movie where a plastic rhino gave birth to a naked Jim Carrey. It's like the elephant gangbang scene in The Brothers Grimsby.
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May 20, 2019 20:20
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Tulip posted:... it can be said for any piece of fiction writing. Authors are the ones who make their characters do things. though ironically in this instance it’s the twitter person who is just being lazy here. She really isn’t thinking her position through
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May 20, 2019 20:21
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CharlestheHammer posted:though ironically in this instance it’s the twitter person who is just being lazy here. They are on Twitter. The laziness is implicit.
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May 20, 2019 20:22
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YaketySass posted:... because the writers choose to have her do that. She's not a real person, so the responsibility of how the story turns out is on the creators. Harold bloom breaking the mold again
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May 20, 2019 20:30
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Corbolan posted:https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1130543549311623168 the violence against men in game pf thrones is cool though
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May 20, 2019 20:38
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CharlestheHammer posted:is.....is that a trope It happens both ways, because it's a way for the viewer to be in suspension as to who just got killed for a little longer. Also like two dudes fighting with a gun or whatever.
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May 20, 2019 21:08
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CharlestheHammer posted:is.....is that a trope yeah, it's a pretty classic hack move. a weirdly gendered one, too; usually when it's a woman doing it it's a way to sell "my god, what a treacherous bitch, to shank batman while they were making out" and when it's a guy doing it it's usually a "dammit, why'd you have to make me kill you."
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May 20, 2019 21:24
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I’ve literally never seen this trope before
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May 20, 2019 21:27
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"Bob and Alice meet in secret for a night of passion. Bob draws Alice close, kisses her deeply and... BLAM! Alice slumps down dead with Bob holding up a previously hidden pistol. She's just been on the receiving end of a Deadly Hug. A sudden gunshot is the most common, but a stab is not unheard of. When a bad guy does this, it's usually during The Reveal that they're evil. When a good guy does it, it tends to be a Mercy Kill." https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeadlyHug Other examples in Game of Thrones: "In season 6 of GameofThrones, Ramsay Bolton stabs his father Roose Bolton to death as he hugs him for the first time. This is a backshadowing to when Roose Bolton stabbed Robb Stark to death at the Red Wedding."
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May 20, 2019 21:28
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CharlestheHammer posted:I’ve literally never seen this trope before the third batman movie had the woman-shanks-man version, the third x-men movie had the man-shanks-woman version hilariously also a case of "welp she turned into a fire-breathing monster, nothing can be done to but to stab her real good while crying about it"
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May 20, 2019 21:28
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Was of mice and men the first instance of this? It's not quite the same but close enough
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May 20, 2019 21:29
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the third batman movie had the woman-shanks-man version, the third x-men movie had the man-shanks-woman version lol I forgot GOTs already did it once.
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May 20, 2019 21:32
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Jose posted:Was of mice and men the first instance of this? It's not quite the same but close enough Ugh George was such a treacherous bitch, to shank Lennie while they were making out
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May 20, 2019 21:35
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"Game of Thrones is misogynistic" is like the opposite of a hot take, and that's a pretty reasonable cinematographic criticism. If you're going to write a situation where the reason a woman goes crazy and murders a million people is explicitly because she was rejected, then of course the way it's shot when he kills her is going to be weirdly sexual. You'd have to go out of your way to avoid it, and instead they just leaned in.
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May 20, 2019 21:35
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:"Game of Thrones is misogynistic" is like the opposite of a hot take, and that's a pretty reasonable cinematographic criticism. she didn’t go crazy because he rejected her, up until the moment he killed her he was very very openly on her side. Her going crazy doesn’t really involve him at all.
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May 20, 2019 21:37
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christmas boots posted:Ugh George was such a treacherous bitch, to shank Lennie while they were making out please do not leak the advance reviews of my 2010 blockbuster Mice And Men: But Explicitly Gay
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May 20, 2019 21:39
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CharlestheHammer posted:she didn’t go crazy because he rejected her, up until the moment he killed her he was very very openly on her side. She went in for the kiss and he backed off because I guess he feels weird about her being his aunt? Whatever dude, can't unring that bell.
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May 20, 2019 21:40
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The bizarre thing about GoT and women isn't that every even remotely feminist take is that the show did Dany dirty by turning her from "morally ambiguous" to "cackling megalomaniac" just for the good guys to finally kill her, it's that it took all that crowd this long to get that that was always the sensibility of the show. I don't blame people for disagreeing that Dany was always a villain but they sure as gently caress should have seen that D&D were always that bad, they just decided to ignore the signs and mentally edit it into the Yass Queen show.
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May 20, 2019 21:40
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YaketySass posted:The bizarre thing about GoT and women isn't that every even remotely feminist take is that the show did Dany dirty by turning her from "morally ambiguous" to "cackling megalomaniac" just for the good guys to finally kill her, it's that it took all that crowd this long to get that that was always the sensibility of the show. Dany was never the good guy but she basically hit the box a lot of people like in the same way they end up supporting US imperialism. Liberating some foreigners who just don’t understand what freedom is until you give it to them. Now that the brutality is laid bare they just can’t handle that their fantasy is a bit hosed up.
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May 20, 2019 21:49
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YaketySass posted:The bizarre thing about GoT and women isn't that every even remotely feminist take is that the show did Dany dirty by turning her from "morally ambiguous" to "cackling megalomaniac" just for the good guys to finally kill her, it's that it took all that crowd this long to get that that was always the sensibility of the show. it's particularly weird because they had the setup for it to happen laid in really well! they just decided that instead of there being some kind of instigating action, or it being a heat of the moment decision that she ends up clinging to out of tyrannical pride, you can almost hear the showrunners stepping in as the bells start ringing to say "look the script says she goes Full War Crimes now, for no personal gain. we never bothered to figure out why. maybe she's insane, i don't loving know, we are tired of making this show and do not care."
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May 20, 2019 21:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:Dany was never the good guy but she basically hit the box a lot of people like in the same way they end up supporting US imperialism. Liberating some foreigners who just don’t understand what freedom is until you give it to them. I'm not a show watcher, but in the books it's patently obvious that her time in the slave cities is a critical take on the US messing around in the middle east.
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May 20, 2019 21:56
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CountFosco posted:I'm not a show watcher, but in the books it's patently obvious that her time in the slave cities is a critical take on the US messing around in the middle east. right down to the "there's these people who the locals have historically fought with, they like us, therefore they're the good guys, as a reward for helping us out we'll ignore anything they get up to" "hey wait where did all this ethnic cleansing come from"
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May 20, 2019 21:58
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CountFosco posted:I'm not a show watcher, but in the books it's patently obvious that her time in the slave cities is a critical take on the US messing around in the middle east. the show follows the books pretty faithfully until they run out of books and then it becomes a lazy run through of some notes George gave them. but yeah Dany is basically that which is why she became the slay queen or whatever.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Dany was never the good guy but she basically hit the box a lot of people like in the same way they end up supporting US imperialism. Liberating some foreigners who just don’t understand what freedom is until you give it to them. *insert that Buttigieg quote about how firearms are to be exclusively used on foreigners and school shootings are therefore unamerican* The show tricks you by only showing violence against legimitate threats/bastards and having plenty of other characters do the same sort of Punisher poo poo, then spending the last two episodes going with tired 9/11 imagery over crowds of terrified innocents. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's particularly weird because they had the setup for it to happen laid in really well! they just decided that instead of there being some kind of instigating action, or it being a heat of the moment decision that she ends up clinging to out of tyrannical pride, you can almost hear the showrunners stepping in as the bells start ringing to say "look the script says she goes Full War Crimes now, for no personal gain. we never bothered to figure out why. maybe she's insane, i don't loving know, we are tired of making this show and do not care." I don't know if they simply didn't care or if they were worried making her decision ambiguous would make the rest of the cast not look heroic enough.
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May 20, 2019 21:59
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I'm glad it's over and I won't read takes about it soon
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May 20, 2019 22:01
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Jose posted:I'm glad it's over and I won't read takes about it soon there are apparently three spinoffs being talked about and it’s a franchise that is in the billions. it ain’t going anywhere. the only thing that won’t happen is another book being released
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May 20, 2019 22:03
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YaketySass posted:I don't know if they simply didn't care or if they were worried making her decision ambiguous would make the rest of the cast not look heroic enough. which is all the condemnation you need, really. this is Gambo Thrones, the whole #brand was built on the idea that if someone looks heroic it's either because you're not looking closely enough or because they're about to be loving dead
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I don't want to give too much credit to Gurm but a good portion of what got people hooked up was mysteries and plotlines he sets up decades ago, if the spinoffs are made I expect it won't have anywhere near the same following and won't be able to justify the budget.
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May 20, 2019 22:08
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CharlestheHammer posted:the show follows the books pretty faithfully until they run out of books and then it becomes a lazy run through of some notes George gave them. Heh, even the stuff that's within book content gets a lot of poo poo that vaguely contradicts the books and the showrunners definitely hated the fantasy part of the fact that it's a fantasy series. Early show Stannis and Daenerys are decidedly more heroic than in the books and in a lot of ways later seasons sound less like they ran out of books and more like they stopped giving a gently caress about books, because what book material is still there in later seasons sounds as butchered as everything else. Maybe DnD are just hacks, basically
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Agnosticnixie posted:Maybe DnD are just hacks, basically Basically 
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