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drainpipe
May 17, 2004

AAHHHHHHH!!!!
If everyone does well in school and gets high paying white collar jobs then there will be no janitors and farmers and the economy will collapse!

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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I've developed an excellent get rich quick plan, which I call the SOAR method. This is built on the same principles that the wealthiest people in the world built their wealth on.
SOAR stands for Start Out Already Rich

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


drainpipe posted:

If everyone does well in school and gets high paying white collar jobs then there will be no janitors and farmers and the economy will collapse!

Yes that's another way in which that sort of advice is good individually but not an answer overall to issues like poverty, but we're getting pretty derailed here.

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

All I know is last time someone shot at a student on a school campus but missed I said “thank god it wasn’t a school shooting” since nobody was shot, just shot at.

My point is arguing over the semantics of the word “shooting” is dumb.

OctaviusBeaver
Apr 30, 2009

Say what now?
They (correctly) call out good financial education as form of privilege and then get mad at bloggers for giving out good financial advice for free. It's gate keeping bullshit. Everybody can't retire at 40 but almost everyone can benefit from knowing how to save.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Some people like their jobs and wouldn't want to retire.

Not me. Get UBI going and I'll be poor and happy.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




canyoneer posted:

I've developed an excellent get rich quick plan, which I call the SOAR method. This is built on the same principles that the wealthiest people in the world built their wealth on.
SOAR stands for Start Out Already Rich

This sounds like a joke my dad likes to tell about farming. He says "how do you make a million dollars as a farmer? You start with two million" :stat:

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

It came from /r/investing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/bvasp6/i_am_down_a_jaw_dropping_20_in_one_year

I am down a jaw dropping 20% in one year.. (self.investing) by thelostgeologist

I fell into the hype of Chinese “garbage stocks” down 50% on YY and IQ and down 35% on JD. also fell for the pot hype train and down 20% on ACB. Also got crushed by CBEO down close to 30%. These stocks were half to portfolio

I guess I should stick to index funds?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

brugroffil posted:

Now have everyone do that on a national scale


Oops my economy collapsed

Thank God, finally.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

brugroffil posted:

Now have everyone do that on a national scale


Oops my economy collapsed

E: it's kinda like interview/resume advice. Great for the individual but ultimately zero sum and not an actual solution to wider systemic challenges

I agree, capitalism is bad and dumb and harmful to us, the economy as a whole and the planet, so brugrofifl is correct -- time for socialism.


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GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Weatherman posted:

I agree, capitalism is bad and dumb and harmful to us, the economy as a whole and the planet, so brugrofifl is correct -- time for socialism.


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A bad post. Please patch the hole leaking C-SPAM everywhere


Vox Nihili posted:

It came from /r/investing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/bvasp6/i_am_down_a_jaw_dropping_20_in_one_year

I am down a jaw dropping 20% in one year.. (self.investing) by thelostgeologist

I fell into the hype of Chinese “garbage stocks” down 50% on YY and IQ and down 35% on JD. also fell for the pot hype train and down 20% on ACB. Also got crushed by CBEO down close to 30%. These stocks were half to portfolio

I guess I should stick to index funds?



Very good AAA+ post. Single stock/China/Penny Stock? Down "a jaw dropping" 20%?"I shoulda stuck with Index Funds"?! :discourse:

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
On the plus side people with traditional gambling problems generally lose 100%. If you lost only 20% on the ponies you'd be doing alright.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Sock The Great posted:

I am reading this on Medium rather than listening to the podcast, so I am not getting their tone, but gently caress this criticism (if it is) to high hell. Cooking your own food, buying used, and performing your own house repairs are all GWL and GWM and are not examples of the "Savings Hero Journey". Not all Millennials are Postmating every meal, having their Dad do home repairs, and complaining on IG stories all day.

Their point isn't that these bloggers are giving bad advice.

All these articles and bloggers give the impression that regardless of your actual circumstances, all you have to do is cut spending and as if by magic, you'll retire comfortably at 40. The bloggers and articles focus on GWM stuff that are frugal but totally gloss over or completely ignore the ACTUAL reason they're able to retire early, which is that they have a ton of income to begin with but live like they're in poverty. Unfortunately, this plan doesn't work very well for people who live like they're in poverty because they're actually in poverty (or close to it), but that's not the impression these bloggers and "news" articles give.

Lowness 72
Jul 19, 2006
BUTTS LOL

Jade Ear Joe
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Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


So my parents just told me they bought into some explora timeshare bullshit, and also straight face told my spouse and I that 'we need to take our kids to disneyland'.

So much for an inheritance to bankroll my clickbait blog~

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Guest2553 posted:

So my parents just told me they bought into some explora timeshare bullshit, and also straight face told my spouse and I that 'we need to take our kids to disneyland'.

So much for an inheritance to bankroll my clickbait blog~

Don't you love your kids?

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
I'd like some opinions on some numbers I've been crunching. I don't quite trust these.

Background: I'm moving to the USA next year: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3877629

I'm 32 in a couple of months. Have $100k in my Aus. superannuation account. I've received tax advice that when I move to the States next year, I should leave my Aus retirement account alone and just let it grow.

So I'll be 33 and starting a 401k and a Roth IRA from nothing. I used the Bankrate calculators:

https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/retirement/401-k-retirement-calculator.aspx
https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/retirement/roth-ira-plan-calculator.aspx

Assumptions on a salary of $80,000 USD:

- Starting age 34 (conservative)
- 6% return
- $500 starting balance
- Annual Salary increase 1%
- No employer match
- Retire at 60

The balances I'm being given are:

- $800,000 (401k)
- $400,000 (Roth IRA)

That cannot be correct. It seems way, way too high. Especially considering I put the same numbers in an Aus. superannuation calculator and come out with $433k on a salary of $80k.

I know taxes make a difference here. Super in Aus carries a 15% contribution tax and then carries no tax penalty when removed, vs. a 401k which is taxable on receiving the income (I think?)

Just a bit worried these numbers are way too optimistic.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Immigrating to the USA is BWM and possibly BWL.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Midjack posted:

Immigrating to the USA is BWM and possibly BWL.

bwl, but i literally get paid 4 times my cousin and we have the same job (computer touching)

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf
Have an exit plan to leave again. Especially if you get sick.

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

CelestialScribe posted:

That cannot be correct. It seems way, way too high. Especially considering I put the same numbers in an Aus. superannuation calculator and come out with $433k on a salary of $80k.
15% of 80k times 26yrs = $312k
+ $100k starting
= $412k

That makes me believe the $433k involves nearly no return over inflation. I don't feel like mathing further than this tonight.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

SpartanIvy posted:

Have an exit plan to leave again. Especially if you get sick.

We are keeping our house here (we can afford to keep it, vacancy rates are low, etc), and we are all Aus. citizens. If for some reason one of us has an illness that would bankrupt us, we can easily come back and use the medical system here.

SiGmA_X posted:

15% of 80k times 26yrs = $312k
+ $100k starting
= $412k

That makes me believe the $433k involves nearly no return over inflation. I don't feel like mathing further than this tonight.

Ah, I'm leaving the 100k here in my retirement account and just letting it grow. Not bringing it over to the States.

Midjack posted:

Immigrating to the USA is BWM and possibly BWL.

Depeeeeeeeeeends.

Depends on a lot. BWM in terms of moving costs.

GWM for long-term salary and COL projections.

The cost of living in Melbourne is absurdly high. Definitely not SF high, but high.

Edit:

Uhhh I meant to post this in the retirement thread, sorry :\ I guess this might be technically BWM though...

CelestialScribe fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jun 1, 2019

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

Costco sold someone a $400,000 diamond ring

quote:

The warehouse retailer said during its latest quarter ended May 12 it got a sales boost thanks to a customer purchasing one of its rings for more than $400,000. It didn't say which ring, exactly, but a search on Costco's website reveals only one ring priced in the $400,000 range: A "Round Brilliant 10.03 carat VS1 Clarity, I Color Diamond Platinum Solitaire Ring." Costco's website shows 500 different rings for sale, many costing more than $50,000.

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

CelestialScribe posted:

We are keeping our house here (we can afford to keep it, vacancy rates are low, etc), and we are all Aus. citizens. If for some reason one of us has an illness that would bankrupt us, we can easily come back and use the medical system here.


Ah, I'm leaving the 100k here in my retirement account and just letting it grow. Not bringing it over to the States.


Depeeeeeeeeeends.

Depends on a lot. BWM in terms of moving costs.

GWM for long-term salary and COL projections.

The cost of living in Melbourne is absurdly high. Definitely not SF high, but high.

Edit:

Uhhh I meant to post this in the retirement thread, sorry :\ I guess this might be technically BWM though...

flying back every few months for routine medical procedures will likely be cheaper and quicker for you than american medical insurance so just do that instead of enrolling in your employer's american plan

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004



I'm such a whore for Costco at this point I'll just go ahead and assume that is somehow GWM

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Did I miss something about the Aussie not having employer based insurance? The lack of a 401k match might indicate a contractor without benefits, but if he’s working a Fortune 500 FTE job he’ll have decent to good health benefits.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Krispy Wafer posted:

Did I miss something about the Aussie not having employer based insurance? The lack of a 401k match might indicate a contractor without benefits, but if he’s working a Fortune 500 FTE job he’ll have decent to good health benefits.

Plenty of folks go bankrupt with insurance. I was calculating 401k estimatea without a match to be conservative.

But yeah, I want an exit strategy even if I have gold plated insurance.

synthetik
Feb 28, 2007

I forgive you, Will. Will you forgive me?

Enos Cabell posted:

I'm such a whore for Costco at this point I'll just go ahead and assume that is somehow GWM

Costco jewelry is priced super well, when compared to other retailers, and it’s the only place that accepts returns on it, afaik. It’s still a half million dollar ring, but you can get nice watches and gifts for mom cheap as hell.

OctaviusBeaver
Apr 30, 2009

Say what now?

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/bvkswj/advice_needed_moms_loaning_out_her_401k_to_my/ posted:

Hi all,

First, sorry if this isn’t quite the appropriate place for this question - happy to move it, if you can tell me where.

At the end of all this, I’d just like to know if you think our solution is a reasonable one or if you think there might be a better approach. As you read you’ll notice we’ve not been the most money-savvy bunch, so I’m turning to you guys for some advice. This is happening no matter what, so the question is how to mitigate the disaster.

The story is a little long, so I’ll do my best to briefly summarize. My brother was let go from his job last fall because the funder for one of his contracts did a random, but very thorough background and found something from 20 years ago that my brother had no idea would be on his record. That’s a whole other story, and for the most part actually ended happily (see: edit2).

While he was unemployed he kinda freaked and bought a large truck (like, 18-wheeler), so that he could lease it out to our father who’s a lifetime truck driver and receive a portion of whatever income that generates. He borrowed money from his 2 cousins with the promise that as soon as the truck started making a profit he would pay them back.

Fast forward several months and the truck is still parked where he got it and he hasn’t been able to put it use (for many reasons, it’s kind of an old truck, many of the companies are very specific about what they need in the truck and he’s very adamant he wants our father as the driver so he can find him work (currently unemployed)).

My brother has asked our mom (63) if she can take out money from her 401k to pay the cousins back and that he will pay my mom back in whatever way her 401k provider needs. The provider allows her to take a loan out against her 401k and just pay it back in monthly increments.


My brothers still holding out hope that the truck will be put to use (he’s basically been applying for jobs for my father, citing the personal ownership of a truck which is always a plus in that world), but he says that if he can’t find anything by August he’ll just sell it off. So in either scenario (truck works or truck is sold), once the 401k payments start, he’ll be able to pay my mom back.

One small quirk about the payments is that they’re actually going to be removed from my moms paycheck directly until she retires (in 2 years) so my brother will be making payments to my mom first and then, if money is still outstanding after 2 years, will pay the provider directly in loan coupons. Might not be relevant but just thought i’d mention.

So finally, they’ve landed at choosing a 60month payback period (longest you can go) and my brother will pay my mom on the 1st of every month for the 2 amounts she will see taken away from her paychecks (and we’ll figure out the 3 paycheck month). If the truck is sold, you can kinda pay off the whole loan at once (i’m sure it will be sold at some loss, so he’ll have to figure out the difference). But if it generates income and he starts to do monthly payments, then we decided we would open another savings account where he would deposit any extra money on top of the minimum monthly payment he’s making. Eventually, when the amount in that savings account equals the amount still owed in 401k, he’ll just pay the rest off.

Does that sound reasonable? Any other suggestions?

My mom works very hard (kinda manual stuff) and I’d hate to see her suffer in any way. I don’t have any real resources to help, so i’m really just turning anywhere for some insight.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Big truck equity

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Wow there is so much stupid in just one Post.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




That's basically how everyone in declining rural America is living right now

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Usually they just move into moms singlewide and wait till she passes away from the sugars or you get insurance money for it burning down because it's packed to the gills with poo poo and you all smoke.

Lowness 72
Jul 19, 2006
BUTTS LOL

Jade Ear Joe

tater_salad posted:

Usually they just move into moms singlewide and wait till she passes away from the sugars or you get insurance money for it burning down because it's packed to the gills with poo poo and you all smoke.

lol "the sugars" i love it

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

Enos Cabell posted:

I'm such a whore for Costco at this point I'll just go ahead and assume that is somehow GWM
If they used their Costco Citibank card the cash back will be substantial.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

CannonFodder posted:

If they used their Costco Citibank card the cash back will be substantial.

8k plus the 8k rebate from the executive card! How do you even pay for something like that?

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

StormDrain posted:

8k plus the 8k rebate from the executive card! How do you even pay for something like that?

Straight Cash Homie

howdoesishotweb
Nov 21, 2002

Lowness 72 posted:

lol "the sugars" i love it

It’s an accurate picture. Only stating “The pressure and the sugars” was often the complete Past Medical History when I was an intern.

Sock The Great
Oct 1, 2006

It's Lonely At The Top. But It's Comforting To Look Down Upon Everyone At The Bottom
Grimey Drawer
I never, ever post or respond to this nonsense on Facebook, but this was too much to ignore.

It does though?

Only registered members can see post attachments!

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Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

Especially wrong since apparently labor is < 10% of the price of milk.

quote:

Labor represented 8.7 percent of the total cost to produce a cwt. of milk

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