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Any good resources on build order and strategy for Terran? Couldn't find it in the OP of the thread but just getting back into the game and need to learn to not suck again.
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RocktheCaulk posted:Any good resources on build order and strategy for Terran? Couldn't find it in the OP of the thread but just getting back into the game and need to learn to not suck again. This guy called vibe on youtube has a series where he climbs the ranks with terran, demonstrating and explaining build order and strategy for different skill levels. I tried to watch it but ive never played starcraft so i feel like i need someone to tell me how to just control the game but if you have some basic grasp of the game it seems great
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dangerdoom volvo posted:This guy called vibe on youtube has a series where he climbs the ranks with terran, demonstrating and explaining build order and strategy for different skill levels. I tried to watch it but ive never played starcraft so i feel like i need someone to tell me how to just control the game but if you have some basic grasp of the game it seems great awesome, thanks!
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May 30, 2019 21:07
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yeah, vibes' series is good. Most import thing is to focus on macro and he teaches that well.
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Samopsa posted:yeah, vibes' series is good. Most import thing is to focus on macro and he teaches that well. By the way, Vibe does this for all three races and the series are organized by race on his Youtube channel. Vibe is a former progamer from the earlier days of SC2 who is a Zerg player. He did the Bronze to GM series to help educate and encourage new players. He didn't quite make it to GM with Terran although I think he may have in the past. The key thing is that his emphasis, especially in the earlier ranks, is completely on macro. Like in bronze thru gold he pretty much doesn't controls his units at all, just builds his economy and armies and attack moves his armies through the enemy bases while he builds more economy and units. Once he gets to around platinum, he does start to do a little micro even if he says he's not, like retreating his armies from a bad fight. By the time he gets to late diamond and masters unit control definitely comes into it more. I think the key to Vibe's approach is to have a proper setup of hotkey usage. Decent macro even at low APM really depends on using hotkeys properly and it's really a core thing in SC2. I got my friend started on SC2 with proxy rax and BC rushes and he had a good time with that, but he had a hard time doing even the simple vibe approach because I think he didn't have his controls set up right.
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Zwabu posted:I think the key to Vibe's approach is to have a proper setup of hotkey usage. Decent macro even at low APM really depends on using hotkeys properly and it's really a core thing in SC2. I got my friend started on SC2 with proxy rax and BC rushes and he had a good time with that, but he had a hard time doing even the simple vibe approach because I think he didn't have his controls set up right. Echoing this. Obviously the benefits to reaction times and army control are incredible, but I found using hotkeys properly not only made my APM more effective, but actually increased it from 180 or 190 to mid-200s, I guess because I had to spend less time thinking about how to do what I wanted to do rather than just going straight to it. Even for non-macro builds it's important - from a build that might be over, say, 6 minutes, you'll shave anywhere from 15 upwards from when your attack hits if you're immediately on top of everything you have to do.
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May 31, 2019 09:39
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Grid key defaults are fine and a better way to learn. They only become worse at code S+. Also learn protoss instead, terran is balanced around byung.
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GSL in about half an hour! Time to see if we get 1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Also learn protoss instead, terran is balanced around byung. idk kev Terrans have quit whining. 
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I love GSL I love SC2 I love Panzer and Syn I love dogs I love socialism
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S1 G2, Patience has a beautiful meta-mind game build. Love it.
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See terran is fine
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Jun 1, 2019 08:15
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It was really fun watching two robotic, standard, really good players just smash the same builds into each other over and over.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:59
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^that sounds facetious but I meant it sincerely. We were able to watch Innovation and Stats develop different tactics while still using essentially the same builds.nit was really good.
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Goon and zeezfriend feardragon64 is taking a step back from professional commentating. https://tl.net/blogs/548346-feardragon-why-i-am-no-longer-a-full-time-commentator tl;dr: financially not worth it, family health problems, and big swaths of the community are toxic AF Wishing you all the best Ravi; you're loving great and anyone who says otherwise is just wrong.
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The first two series of GSL round of 8 are tonight. SoO vs Classic and Innovation vs Trap. I think the Protosses are favored in both, but I’m not sure. I want SoO and Inno to win. SoO because I think he has military service coming up soon, and Inno because I want to see a Terran in the semifinals at least.
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Yoshi Wins posted:The first two series of GSL round of 8 are tonight. SoO vs Classic and Innovation vs Trap. I think the Protosses are favored in both, but I’m not sure. Gonna be a great set of games tonight.
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Yeah, I think so. I think they’ll both be hard fought series.
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I’m rooting for my space bug brother to squash the dastardly Protoss tonight!
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If anyone wants to learn or just admire cannon rushing, there's printf, a NA GM player who cannon rushes every game, and at least on the ladder he plays out everything as a one base play. In most instances, especially since many of his opponents know he's cannon rushing from the start, he doesn't kill with the initial rush but transitions into a proxy with shield batteries, gateway/robo or stargate and plays very precise aggression until he wins or loses. He was in the NA WCS Challenger qualifier thing yesterday and had a pretty good run, made it almost to the end of winner's bracket and lost the match that would have qualified him, I don't understand but he forfeited out of the loser's bracket which I don't get, how often does a random GM make a run like that, at least try to play a few more matches to see if you qualify. He would have been up against Catz tho and Catz probably would have just proxy hatched him into oblivion. But you can check out the vids on BasetradeTV's channel. printf streams (I think Quasar is the clan) and he explains in great detail what he's doing and keeps a big spreadsheet describing all his games and whether he won/lost and how. I'm not sure if he's SC2's greatest hero or villain.
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Zwabu posted:If anyone wants to learn or just admire cannon rushing, there's printf, a NA GM player who cannon rushes every game, and at least on the ladder he plays out everything as a one base play. In most instances, especially since many of his opponents know he's cannon rushing from the start, he doesn't kill with the initial rush but transitions into a proxy with shield batteries, gateway/robo or stargate and plays very precise aggression until he wins or loses. He was in the NA WCS Challenger qualifier thing yesterday and had a pretty good run, made it almost to the end of winner's bracket and lost the match that would have qualified him, I don't understand but he forfeited out of the loser's bracket which I don't get, how often does a random GM make a run like that, at least try to play a few more matches to see if you qualify. He would have been up against Catz tho and Catz probably would have just proxy hatched him into oblivion. But you can check out the vids on BasetradeTV's channel. An extremely important thing to know about printf is that he doesn't barcode. For those of you who do not play yourselves, or who aren't familiar, "barcoding" refers to having your ingame name be a combination of upper case "i"s and lowercase "L"s such that it appears to be a barcode. It's done to anonymously ladder, generally to [try to] hide strategies, and is commonly used by cheese specialists and pros. printf has gone on record to say that he intentionally doesn't barcode because if his opponents know who they are playing, there is honor in his victory. printf has a super chill stream, and is fairly entertaining to watch for that reason. He's almost as nonchalant as someone like Neuro, but he does the cheesiest poo poo you can imagine. And he's one of the very best at doing it. He's a North American Has. Last WCS Challenger I think he was one match away from qualification? printf owns.
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I had no idea he was a goon, that's crazy. I do certainly feel bad for him, he was good and fun to watch alongside Incontrol and the like. The irony of Rifkin calling him out for bad casting though 
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Huh, game 5 of Trap v Innovation: Cannot believe Trap help at around 8:30. Looked to me like he just did not have enough units - and it wasn't because of Protoss AE landing perfectly that he held.
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Well, gently caress.
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Emasculator posted:I had no idea he was a goon, that's crazy. I do certainly feel bad for him, he was good and fun to watch alongside Incontrol and the like. Yeah, I didn't think feardragon was all that great as a caster but Rifkin is a digusting annoying toad and has no business calling anyone out for anything.
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Rifkin is the worst caster. I remember I hated both him and Zombiegrub, and then I heard her casting without him and she was fine. Not great, but not actively bad. Eminently tolerable. Then I realized that my issue during her broadcasts with Rifkin was that she couldn’t conceal her annoyance with his garbage casting. But I don’t blame her!
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Yoshi Wins posted:Rifkin is the worst caster. I remember I hated both him and Zombiegrub, and then I heard her casting without him and she was fine. Not great, but not actively bad. Eminently tolerable. I still can't stand either of them (ZG or Rifkin) and actually will avoid watching anything they're in. He's definitely a hundred times worse than she is but still, feels like they both got their foot in the door and now there just aren't any other options. At least it's not GTR I guess. I didn't know feardragon was a goon though. I never really watched anything he casted but hope he's alright.
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Neurosis posted:Huh, game 5 of Trap v Innovation: Cannot believe Trap help at around 8:30. Looked to me like he just did not have enough units - and it wasn't because of Protoss AE landing perfectly that he held. it was bananas what the ferk
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I can understand why some people don't like Rifkin, he is hilariously bad at PR and sticks his foot in his mouth on a regular basis. But as a caster he is fine, he is obviously content on doing his semi-serious casts on Basetrade, and is not trying to cast WCS or anything like that. I assume that Zombiegrub left because she actually wanted to try to make a go as a serious caster, both are fine.
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He’s unfunny, his analysis sucks, his voice is bad, he can’t stay on topic, and he offers minimal support to any co-caster who gets stuck with him. There is not one aspect of casting, including the less serious aspects, where he is even competent. That’s how I feel, anyway!
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I've talked before about my preference for different casters but overall I think they are all pretty good and add to the experience. The one exception is Rifkin... he's the only caster that makes me not want to watch or watch with the volume off. Feardragon was fine as a caster imo, no complaints. His financial talk makes me more interested in how much these guys make though, especially with the streaming aspect. It feels like so many people are struggling with low viewer counts its almost sad that they become slaves to the stream with diminishing returns. One example is Nathanias, who I believe is low GM or high master terran. He would stream SC2 with a couple hundred viewers but when he tried to branch out to PUBG or something else, he'd have 1/10 the viewer count. He's a middle of the road caster and streamer and has basically no choice but to grind mediocre terran and to what end? I know playing video games for a living is a dream for many but the writing is on the wall dude. Props to feardragon for trying it and knowing when time was up.
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Yeah even if you’re a top pro at some game I don’t think that in itself is enough to make a viable living streaming. You have to have some of the elements of a successful broadcast entertainer. Whether it’s gift of gab, being funny, interesting conversationalist and good at telling stories, good at interviewing people or interacting with guests, or just being good looking, you have to have SOMETHING beyond game skill even if you’re great at a game. IF you have that stuff you can be mega successful even if you’re a thoroughly mediocre gamer.
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Neurosis posted:Huh, game 5 of Trap v Innovation: [spoiler] Cannot believe Trap help at around 8:30. Looked to me like he just did not have enough units - and it wasn't because of Protoss AE landing perfectly that he held. I had to watch this a few times moved the spoiler in front of game 5. 8:07 there's a double storm that we catch only the end of the 2nd storm that does insane damage and innov walks around under while he's scv drilling at home. He still might have it, but at 8:23 he unseiges his tank for 12 seconds and has it running around with his bio over his mines. I think he needed to back out after sniping the 3rd and roll forward behind on SCV's, ahead a base and with map control to deny the protoss 3rd again. If he did push, the mine spread needed to be much better and the tank has to be sieged. It's almost 1/3rd of that final battle it's unsieged, including when the Archon gets away with <50 hps. Ultimately the archon/zealots in his base seemed to throw him off just enough that he lost. Remember last GSL as well where Trap was godly at PvT because he gets to practice with Maru and get coached by SoS. You can do the parting method and just drink on stream lol. 1st_Panzer_Div. fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Warp Prisms are insanely good on big maps. Like I don’t know how Innovation is supposed to win on that 4 player map with cross spawns. And trap didn’t event do as good of a job using the prism as he could have. Also agreed with the above analysis. There were too many times when like all the mines or 4+ liberators were stacked on top of each other so the storms did tons of damage.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Warp Prisms are insanely good on big maps. Like I don’t know how Innovation is supposed to win on that 4 player map with cross spawns. And trap didn’t event do as good of a job using the prism as he could have. Tongue in cheek reminder that protoss are mad about nydus when they've had warp prisms for almost 9 years.
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Synastren posted:Tongue in cheek reminder that protoss are mad about nydus when they've had warp prisms for almost 9 years. As a fellow Z I'm sure you'd agree that prisms have only really felt abusive since they increased the pick up range to beam up range. I think I shake my head every single time I see it pick up a unit from max range. I know you're emphasizing that the huge maps favor the prism because of being able to warp in reinforcements/harassing zealots etc but the range is still more irritating to me because it feels broken despite queen range.
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