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Odonata posted:Dark Phoenix is going to bomb hard. I was in a theater with only 7 other people tonight. Ouch. quote:My takeaway is that this is a story that will never translate to a 2 hour film. It needs a trilogy unto itself to give Jean a propper charicter arc. I mean, say what you will about Last Stand, they at least understood that having Wolverine stab Jean Grey was a powerful emotional card to play. This movie doesn't even give us that.
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Crossposting:David D. Davidson posted:So Final thoughts. It ranks up there as one of the best X-Men movies and I'm glad Disney at least says they're willing to let it continue after the merger. I personally liked it more than Deadpool 1. My problems with that movie largely boiled down it me not liking the humor in that film, which is entirely subjective. Deadpool 2 on the other hand landed both in humor and emotionally. It also had better action. Leitch's style of shooting action takes cues from the works of Charlie Chaplin and it shows. This also makes him a perfect fit Deadpool whose abilities and attitude are rooted in comedy. Anyways on to the cast, Reynolds was great as always. Domino is a great character and as I said I would watch her solo movie. Josh Brolin was definitely the best choice for cable, even if he was a little short as the movie pointed out. and I would totally watch an X-Force movie with these characters.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:This is great. Apparently Brie Larsen didn’t find out she was shooting Endgame until she walked on the set, nor did she know she was talking to Cap and Natasha in the post-credits scene of her movie. As an aside, did anyone get the impression the Captain Marvel post credits was taken right out of Endgame ala Civil War an Ant-man. I really thought we were gonna see that scene in the movie.
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Samuringa posted:I don't think anyone is going to think about adapting The Dark Phoenix for a long while. I still say the MCU needs to do Dark Phoenix and Fantastic Four immediately to establish dominance and show Fox how easy it is to not get it so badly wrong. Like they did with Spidey.
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Jun 8, 2019 05:57
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Completely avoiding an origin story with Spider-man is the exact opposite of what had been done before. There are other X-men stories beside Dark Phoenix. There are other mutants teams besides the X-Men.
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Jun 8, 2019 06:08
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A lot of X-Men stories require you to already have a history with the characters and have already been filmed. It'll be interesting to see what marvel does with them since they weren't in the MCU in the beginning. Edit: Actually they'll probably do the morlocks storyline. Gaunab fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Jun 8, 2019 06:18
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Disney owns everything so they can just open with The Brood but replace them with Xenomorphs. Aliens vs X-Men, coming to theaters 2021. Will gross 2.3 billion dollars somehow.
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ImpAtom posted:Disney owns everything so they can just open with The Brood but replace them with Xenomorphs. Aliens vs X-Men, coming to theaters 2021. Will gross 2.3 billion dollars somehow. I've been so focused on comics I didn't realise Disney owned Alien and Predator. I'd like to see a Genosha, Sentinels, and Master Mold X-Men movie, but only if it includes this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4LMs6tELrE
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Jun 8, 2019 06:37
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They should do a 2-3 movies with the original five kids. Semi-origin story then one with the Savage land and Kazar and Sauron, then move onto the new X-men of Byrne and Clairmont.
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Back from Phoenix and I quite liked it. Weak antagonists, a lame Scott as per usual, and the mutant with the whip dreadlocks were about my only complaints. For an apparently quick reshoot, I thought the train attack finale was really well done.
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Jun 8, 2019 07:02
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Or redo the Phalanx storyline where the Phalanx absorb pretty much the entire world and the only 'heroes' that are left are Forge, Sinister, Beast and Magneto who team up defeat it. Although it might be good to set up Sinister as a bad guy before that
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I like Magneto, but he turns good so often it's hard to view him as an antagonist anymore.
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They should honestly stop trying to make him one. Morrison was completely wrong to turn him evil again, and ever since then the only times he's been interesting was when he was pretty much just a hero/anti-hero. Like we've got so many other villains, we can handle having the one who's spent 40% of his appearances helping the good guys just stay a good guy.
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One of the weird things I found about Apocalypse was that Magneto kills millions of people, and then at the end all the X-Men are like "you're welcome at our house" just because he had a last second face turn. I only saw it once though so maybe I'm forgetting something, was he mind controlled, or just "influenced"? Either way, it's still hosed up for the X-Men to just invite him round for tea.
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I really think the MCU should go somewhere entirely different with the X-Men, like introduce them as being led by Magneto, with Xavier as a prior leader that isn't around any more.
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Karloff posted:One of the weird things I found about Apocalypse was that Magneto kills millions of people, and then at the end all the X-Men are like "you're welcome at our house" just because he had a last second face turn. I only saw it once though so maybe I'm forgetting something, was he mind controlled, or just "influenced"? Either way, it's still hosed up for the X-Men to just invite him round for tea. I think they forgot about a lot from Apocalypse. While I remember before my showing of Dark Phoenix there was an advert for 4DX with Tye Sheridan, Alexandra Shipp and Evan Peters. They 'watched' Dark Phoenix and gushed about how much better it is with 4DX, I'm not going to go on a theme park ride to watch a film. These gimmicks can't die fast enough.
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Jun 8, 2019 12:42
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zoux posted:Apparently Brie Larsen didn’t find out she was shooting Endgame until she walked on the set, nor did she know she was talking to Cap and Natasha in the post-credits scene of her movie. I didn't, because her asking "Where's Fury?" made sense within the context of Captain Marvel - he was a main character and clearly something of a friend to her. In Endgame, it wouldn't really serve any narrative function since we know Fury was dusted and didn't show up until the funeral scene.
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Karloff posted:One of the weird things I found about Apocalypse was that Magneto kills millions of people, and then at the end all the X-Men are like "you're welcome at our house" just because he had a last second face turn. I only saw it once though so maybe I'm forgetting something, was he mind controlled, or just "influenced"? Either way, it's still hosed up for the X-Men to just invite him round for tea. I see this going one of two ways 1) Magneto tried doing the whole peaceful life thing, had a wife and daughter, and lost both of them due to shithead humans. Apoc knows how strong Eric is and how emotionally vulnerable he is, and recruits him as a horseman with the promise of revenge against all humans. The case could easily be made that he was influenced. 2) The x-men were being handily defeated until Magneto came around to their way of thinking and helped tip the scales. With out the combined Care Bear Stare, they wouldn't have been able to defeat Apoc. Again, Magneto is supremely powerful. Probably best to act as friendly as possible toward him. I notice it's kind of what they do for this incarnation of the x-men. Magneto is on our side. Yeah, he killed some people, but they are nazis so who's gonna miss them. Oh wait, no, this was just a plot to get at the shielded helmet. Time to fight. Oh no, he hurt Charles and feels bad, let him go. Hey here's a message from the future, we need to work together. What, he decided to go all murdery again? First Mystique and now all humans? All right, let's shoot him right in the neck. Oh, he was just trying to prove a point? Well OK, he can go gently caress off again, but only if he behaves. Oh cool, he's been behaving. That's great. What? In trying to do the right thing and save an innocent person, he invokes the wrath of the central European version of hillbillies? And they kill his family out of sheer stupidity. Well, I'd call that justified reven- The whole planet? Again? OK, well if we appeal to his reason and...good side, maybe he'll tone down just a bit. Oh thank god. We were able to convince him to stop helping the genocidal maniac. "Does he still want to kill all humans?" Woah, let's not rush things, this man just helped save the world.
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zoux posted:As an aside, did anyone get the impression the Captain Marvel post credits was taken right out of Endgame ala Civil War an Ant-man. I really thought we were gonna see that scene in the movie. Me, because it was set up as a scene from Endgame. Specific stingers that were scenes from another movie have been in the next movie, e.g., Cap 1 stinger was from Avengers, Doctor Strange stinger was from Ragnarok, and Civil War singer from Ant-Man, so naturally I thought the Captain Marvel's stinger, looking like it was a scene from Endgame, was gonna be in Endgame 
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It probably was until the Russo's were like gently caress this movies gonna be 4 hours long we need to start cutting stuff
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Karloff posted:One of the weird things I found about Apocalypse was that Magneto kills millions of people, and then at the end all the X-Men are like "you're welcome at our house" just because he had a last second face turn. I only saw it once though so maybe I'm forgetting something, was he mind controlled, or just "influenced"? Either way, it's still hosed up for the X-Men to just invite him round for tea. That’s X-Men for you. You can forgive a genocidal maniac when it’s not your race he was trying to wipe out.
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Dark Phoenix was fine. How'd they make 12 movies and like 4 good ones?
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Jun 8, 2019 18:17
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Little Mac posted:Dark Phoenix was fine. The Deadpool films dont count.
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zoux posted:Apparently Brie Larsen didn’t find out she was shooting Endgame until she walked on the set, nor did she know she was talking to Cap and Natasha in the post-credits scene of her movie.
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That's literally how this conversation started lol
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Welp I totally missed that, my bad
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"What am I filming here?" "It's for Marvel." "Right but which movie?" "Just say the lines, lady."
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Lobok posted:"What am I filming here?"
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To be fair to Gwyneth, she probably has blood poisoning from sticking rocks in her vagina.
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They’re minerals, Marie.
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Estimates for Dark Phoenix are now at $31 million. Biggest bomb of the franchise by far. New Mutants you're up to bat.
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That's a bummer. It's not the worst X-Men movie at all. Order from best to worst: 1. Logan 2. Days of Future Past 3. First Class 4. Deadpool 5. X2 6. Deadpool 2 7. Dark Phoenix 8. The Wolverine 9. X-Men 10. Apocalypse 11. X3 12. Origins
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Jun 8, 2019 22:42
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The Wolverine is a masterpiece compared to DP.
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Little Mac posted:That's a bummer. It's not the worst X-Men movie at all. Yeah but it's really more that those terrible movies should never have made as much as they did.
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My favorite bit from First Class is when Fassbender can't control his accent at the end. I'm hoping to see more of that in Dark Phoenix, but I'll probably be disappointed I'm sure.
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X-O posted:Estimates for Dark Phoenix are now at $31 million. Biggest bomb of the franchise by far. New Mutants you're up to bat. New Mutants can't fail if they never release it! 
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Rhyno posted:The Wolverine is a masterpiece compared to DP. I'm sorry, Rhyno, the list is made
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Veotax posted:New Mutants can't fail if they never release it! I still really don't ever see this movie being released. I think, at best, it'll be quietly dropped onto Hulu or the Disney streaming service, but even that is more money and effort than I think is worth.
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One day people will agree with me about Logan and when that day comes, I'll just laugh and laugh...
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As a 90s kid it's completely bonkers how the x men went from being Marvel's hottest property to audiences just going meh at it. On the other hand avengers endgame is in the running for highest grossing movies ever. What a world.
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