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What percentage of then decide they didn't want to serve their country that bad when things didn't go their way?
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My favorite is when Marines sign six-year Force Recon contracts then fail out. They still get stuck for six years lol
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Casimir Radon posted:What percentage of then decide they didn't want to serve their country that bad when things didn't go their way? The Navy has a rather low reenlistment rate for first-termers.
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:My favorite is when Marines sign six-year Force Recon contracts then fail out. They still get stuck for six years lol My GT score was high enough for any MOS I wanted and my recruiter was psyched! He said "Choose anything!" I chose Force Recon. Then he said "Your GT score is high but you run like a big baby bitch, choose something else!" Ended up doing 8 years anyway.
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:how could the Navy keep a fresh supply of undesignated ship painters if it wasn’t for BUDs duds Can't believe Blizerian got out of any commitment when he proved himself to be too terrible of a person to be allowed in a unit that carries tomahawks for glory kills, they should've made that dickhead paint boats Slim Pickens fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:BUDs duds Idk why but this gave me a good chuckle.
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The Seabees get a good number of NSW drops as well. They are, almost always push to shove, the hardest working and adaptively intelligent of our guys. Low bar there
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maffew buildings posted:The Seabees get a good number of NSW drops as well. They are, almost always push to shove, the hardest working and adaptively intelligent of our guys. They were probably ideologically motivated when they joined lmao
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shame on an IGA posted:wasn't the AF offering 150k reup bonuses for F22 pilots a while back and still only getting like a 30% take rate? $420,000 to sign a 12-year contract. There was a downward scale from there. This used to be fighter pilot only, but has been expanded to ISR and mobility as well. In those fields, there was a huge 1% increase in the take rate. For fighters it was up almost 10% (into the 40s) and for bombers it crept into the low 50s. Nystral posted:What happens if you commit to 8 years but fail out of Flight School? You’re spending your 8 years playing golf and pushing papers? You get reclassified to something that is has a manning shortfall. Which usually means an unpleasant job. We had a guy get medically DQed from flying while still in ABM training, they made him a personnelist (then a year or two later, canned about 2/3 of personnelists). Another guy with about 15 years developed migraines and became an intel officer. If it's a period where the AF is drawing down, they might offer you a free ticket to civilian life...I saw one of those, too. WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:I thought it was 10 years after flight school. 8, but it starts at a specific point in training. Ends up being about 10 in total. mlmp08 posted:This only holds true with the specific caveat that it's not worth the salary IF the assumption (reasonably) is that a pilot exits to get a job using their pilot qualifications. USAF pilot bullshit levels are as or more cushy than other branches, and an Air Force pilot is being paid over six figure by the time they can consider exiting the service. The goal is 65% retention. It's been in the 40s. And for a lot of people, it is absolutely the bullshit. I know a lot of pilots who do not fly professionally anymore. Neither of the pilots I commissioned with are still flying. One of the big things is that by the time you hit the halfway point in that commitment is that you're not flying much. You've got an excellent chance of being a classroom instructor, at a joint/exchange position, a paperpusher as a staff peon in a gig that probably doesn't count on your record as a staff job, a flight commander who spends most of his time reading OPR/award/dec/disciplinary paperwork, etc. And it doesn't revert, ever. Unless you end up in a highly-coveted job like teaching at the Weapons School or being in an aggressor squadron, you will fly less with every year after you've been a captain for a bit. In my career field, once you hit a certain number of hours, you only got to fly half as much. If you went to an exercise where you flew a bunch, you could expect to NOT fly at all until your currency was in jeopardy. Most pilots that I've known over the years joined the Air Force to be pilots. That's not the company line but it's the truth. When you replace all that pilot poo poo with the poo poo everyone hates, and you find yourself out of town for 2-3 weeks every other month between 6-12 month deployments and your kids don't know who you are, it takes its toll. And it's a cost that can rarely be repaid with a bonus. Part of the problem is the shortfall itself...being undermanned consistently means the remaining people have to pick up the slack, which burns them out, which pushes them out, and it cycles again. Airlines hiring pilots away from the military is one piece of the puzzle and it's a big part of why the problem has gotten worse in the past few years, but even in years of slow hires, the AF hasn't been able to get folks to stay. I'm not sure retention rates have been at desired levels since the AF was roughly cut in half in the 90s.
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Godholio posted:The goal is 65% retention. It's been in the 40s. And for a lot of people, it is absolutely the bullshit. I know a lot of pilots who do not fly professionally anymore. Neither of the pilots I commissioned with are still flying. One of the big things is that by the time you hit the halfway point in that commitment is that you're not flying much. You've got an excellent chance of being a classroom instructor, at a joint/exchange position, a paperpusher as a staff peon in a gig that probably doesn't count on your record as a staff job, a flight commander who spends most of his time reading OPR/award/dec/disciplinary paperwork, etc. And it doesn't revert, ever. Unless you end up in a highly-coveted job like teaching at the Weapons School or being in an aggressor squadron, you will fly less with every year after you've been a captain for a bit. In my career field, once you hit a certain number of hours, you only got to fly half as much. If you went to an exercise where you flew a bunch, you could expect to NOT fly at all until your currency was in jeopardy. Most pilots that I've known over the years joined the Air Force to be pilots. That's not the company line but it's the truth. When you replace all that pilot poo poo with the poo poo everyone hates, and you find yourself out of town for 2-3 weeks every other month between 6-12 month deployments and your kids don't know who you are, it takes its toll. And it's a cost that can rarely be repaid with a bonus. Part of the problem is the shortfall itself...being undermanned consistently means the remaining people have to pick up the slack, which burns them out, which pushes them out, and it cycles again. Right, so the problem with USAF officer retention sounds almost identical to the problem with all officer retention except for a few things: -USAF wants to retain 50% more pilot officers than other branches/jobs have to retain officers, which is quite a hurdle to try to achieve. -Pilots have a skill that make it a bit easier to transition, which contributes to only about 82% as many pilots sticking around compared with non-pilots. A shortfall, but not drastic except for the 150% of average retention goal model. -I cannot imagine that the resultant high promotion rates help. Sure, it means if you stick around, you'll almost definitely get promoted. It also means there's a fair chance your O-4/O-5/O-6 boss is just the guy who stuck around. USAF O-4 promotios are essentially 100% (last year, it took affirmative action NOT to promote), promotion to O-5 is above 70%, promotion to O-6 sits north of 50%. Good for progression odds, but also means your boss may be an idiot or jerk or lazy person who just managed to hang on. Comparatively, in the Army right now, maybe 7 of 10 CPTs make Major, 2 of 3 Majors make Lieutenant Colonel, and 40-50% of Lieutenant Colonels will make Colonel. The O-5 to O-6 numbers are, of course, pretty inflated, because tons of people retire at O-5, because they know ahead of time that they aren't competitive for O-6 and get out. So on top of the problems that every branch in the US faces with officer retention, you have a select group where the goal is to keep 50% more in service than is typical, they have a special skill, and only 82% as many stick around compared with other career fields. As a result you basically have to just stick around and not gently caress it up to be promoted to pretty senior positions, which I assume also contributes to the frustration among more junior officers or mid-grade officers (O-4) who have to deal with everyday bullshit on top of having officers who weren't selected from among the best, but instead from among those who stuck around.
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Godholio posted:The goal is 65% retention. It's been in the 40s. And for a lot of people, it is absolutely the bullshit. I know a lot of pilots who do not fly professionally anymore. Neither of the pilots I commissioned with are still flying. One of the big things is that by the time you hit the halfway point in that commitment is that you're not flying much. You've got an excellent chance of being a classroom instructor, at a joint/exchange position, a paperpusher as a staff peon in a gig that probably doesn't count on your record as a staff job, a flight commander who spends most of his time reading OPR/award/dec/disciplinary paperwork, etc. And it doesn't revert, ever. Unless you end up in a highly-coveted job like teaching at the Weapons School or being in an aggressor squadron, you will fly less with every year after you've been a captain for a bit. In my career field, once you hit a certain number of hours, you only got to fly half as much. If you went to an exercise where you flew a bunch, you could expect to NOT fly at all until your currency was in jeopardy. Most pilots that I've known over the years joined the Air Force to be pilots. That's not the company line but it's the truth. When you replace all that pilot poo poo with the poo poo everyone hates, and you find yourself out of town for 2-3 weeks every other month between 6-12 month deployments and your kids don't know who you are, it takes its toll. And it's a cost that can rarely be repaid with a bonus. Part of the problem is the shortfall itself...being undermanned consistently means the remaining people have to pick up the slack, which burns them out, which pushes them out, and it cycles again. Right, so the problem with USAF officer retention sounds almost identical to the problem with all officer retention except for a few things: -USAF wants to retain 50% more pilot officers than other branches/jobs have to retain officers, which is quite a hurdle to try to achieve. -Pilots have a skill that make it a bit easier to transition, which contributes to only about 82% as many pilots sticking around compared with non-pilots. A shortfall, but not drastic except for the 150% of average retention goal model. -I cannot imagine that the resultant high promotion rates help. Sure, it means if you stick around, you'll almost definitely get promoted. It also means there's a fair chance your O-4/O-5/O-6 boss is just the guy who stuck around. USAF O-4 promotios are essentially 100% (last year, it took affirmative action NOT to promote), promotion to O-5 is above 70%, promotion to O-6 sits north of 50%. Good for progression odds, but also means your boss may be an idiot or jerk or lazy person who just managed to hang on. Comparatively, in the Army right now, maybe 7 of 10 CPTs make Major, 2 of 3 Majors make Lieutenant Colonel, and 40-50% of Lieutenant Colonels will make Colonel. The O-5 to O-6 numbers are, of course, pretty inflated, because tons of people retire at O-5, because they know ahead of time that they aren't competitive for O-6 and get out. So on top of the problems that every branch in the US faces with officer retention, you have a select group where the goal is to keep 50% more in service than is typical, they have a special skill, and only 82% as many stick around compared with other career fields. As a result you basically have to just stick around and not gently caress it up to be promoted to pretty senior positions, which I assume also contributes to the frustration among more junior officers or mid-grade officers (O-4) who have to deal with everyday bullshit on top of having officers who weren't selected from among the best, but instead from among those who stuck around.
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Number 1 is two pronged: If they mean Honey Bees: Technically Honey Bees are an invasive species. If they mean native bees? Cool.
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Save pollinators. Did you know that moths do a lot of pollinating? They're also an important part of the food chain.
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CommieGIR posted:Number 1 is two pronged: But non-Honey Bees produce nothing, and are therefore Bad For Capitalism, so gently caress them.
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Kill all mosquitoes and all ticks.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Kill all mosquitoes and all ticks.
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/\ that. gently caress mosquitoes and ticks. Only good thing they do is feed spiders.EBB posted:Save pollinators. Did you know that moths do a lot of pollinating? They're also an important part of the food chain. Gonna leave a piece of cloth out for my moth homies to munch on while passing through the neighborhood. Kinda want to get a planter and grow some milkweed on my porch.
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Appropriate to the thread title: https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1138680552444256256
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I believe that is the "fool and his money" stage
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrwMja_VoM0 Good poo poo.
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Slim Pickens posted:Can't believe Blizerian got out of any commitment when he proved himself to be too terrible of a person to be allowed in a unit that carries tomahawks for glory kills, they should've made that dickhead paint boats Literally everyone gets shin splints/stress fractures and other overuse injuries like that during BUD/S, so after he got performance dropped in 3rd Phase he just kept running 15+ miles a day so they wouldn't heal and would show up on x-rays. Eventually the PTRR (over whatever they called it then) medical/therapists probably just shrugged on why it wasn't healing and sent him to be medboarded out. Most of the people who dropped just wanted HM or so they could play Marine or just a skate rate so they could either work on college or go back, but there's always a one or two people with wacky schemes like that I saw.
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I thought Bilzerian got through BUDS but was DQed for unsafe poo poo repeatedly on on the firing range / shoot house.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:A lot of officer SEAL candidates just leave the Navy. Meanwhile, for the enlisted drops, welcome to deck department. They used to send BUD/S drops straight to JCAC if they had the ASVAB for it regardless of what the drops' aptitude was. That almost always becomes another drop, and the Navy has a policy of if a new accession can't pass two schools, you go strike something as undesignated in the fleet.
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:how could the Navy keep a fresh supply of undesignated ship painters if it wasn’t for BUDs duds When I was at DLI a few years back my sailor classmates said they were basically told upfront if they got dropped before the end of the class they’d be unrated.
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What does being unrated mean?
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holocaust bloopers posted:What does being unrated mean? means the needs of the navy dictate your job
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Lol yo gently caress that. So you’re basically a professional bitch?
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holocaust bloopers posted:Lol yo gently caress that. So you’re basically a professional bitch? Yup. Rated/designated means you're trained and billeted to do a specific type of job, like electrician, cook, SEAL, admin, whatever. Most enlisted sailors are rated, and it's the only way to advance past E-3. If you don't have a rate specified in your contract when you join, or you fail out of that rate's training, you usually end up undesignated. Undesignated means you're just a general purpose "seaman". Unsurprisingly this means you get to do a lot of painting, sweeping, mopping, standing guard duty, and all the other bullshit that nobody else wants to do. Eventually you can strike for a rate and go into that career field, but until then you're generally stuck in whatever division needs dumb muscle.
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Bored As gently caress posted:I thought Bilzerian got through BUDS but was DQed for unsafe poo poo repeatedly on on the firing range / shoot house. Obviously I don’t know much about the particulars of his situation but especially back then, when they didn’t have unlimited applicants, getting performance dropped in third phase typically meant they hated you but couldn’t make you quit. Friend of mine got dropped in the SWCC version of SQT because he glanced down while loading a crew served weapon. Even today you can get one chance to roll back (he had already rolled due to an injury). So “safety violations” are an easy way to thin out the class if you’re already past selection or just don’t like one dude in particular. The fact that they didn’t roll Dan back after he had almost made it screams that the instructors didn’t want him to make it.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Yup. Rated/designated means you're trained and billeted to do a specific type of job, like electrician, cook, SEAL, admin, whatever. Most enlisted sailors are rated, and it's the only way to advance past E-3. If you don't have a rate specified in your contract when you join, or you fail out of that rate's training, you usually end up undesignated. I saw a lot of buds duds get forced to MA cause “guns”. They weren’t a happy lot. It was prolly better back in the day when you came in, got rate training, then went SEAL or tried to at least. Some choice in your fall-back plan.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Friend of mine got dropped in the SWCC version of SQT because he glanced down while loading a crew served weapon. What's this mean, he looked at the feed tray while loading a 240 like you're supposed to?
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Slim Pickens posted:What's this mean, he looked at the feed tray while loading a 240 like you're supposed to? Yeah I'm super confused because whenever I loaded either of the two crew served weapons I used I always looked at what I was doing.
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I *always* visually confirmed positive control of the rotodome.
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Dingleberry posted:I saw a lot of buds duds get forced to MA cause “guns”. Steven_seagal_Im_the_cook.avi
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gently caress they mastered the matrix
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