Arist posted:

I was speaking more broadly in that instance (should have been more clear), but "trans/nonbinary person with massive, obvious penis" is not exactly a flattering portrayal. I understand that it's cyberpunk but even still the absolute most charitable reading I can come up with is that it's incredibly fetishistic.

Hamelekim posted:

What about gay pride parades where people go with little to no clothing, is that a flattering portrayal?

The entire point of an ad is to be bold and in your face and memorable.

gary oldmans diary posted:

The only thing unusual or futuristic about it at all is that it has a trans person. Ads that are blatantly over-sexualized and even exploitative are here today and yeah you could call today's big-tits-camel-toe ads fetishistic. A world where transgender people are treated normally? The horror.

RottenK posted:

and in the worlds of some animes there are horny 1000 year old vampires that look like children. "this makes sense in the setting" is not an excuse because settings are fake and made by people who live in our real world

this doesn't means that you can't show anything questionable or problematic in fiction, but there are good ways and bad ways to handle sensitive topics and the issue rn is that people are worried that CDPR won't handle the topic well because gaming industry on the whole isn't good about it and CDPR specifically had to be shamed into firing a PR guy that was making lovely 4chan jokes about it

so yes it is a red flag

Arist posted:

We, here at home, don't live in that world though, and the creators have to consider the way it's going to be received by us. The ad isn't coherent enough to really work either diegetically as an ad or as a statement about its own world. The only thing it's actually saying is "look at this penis, aren't we edgy."

Arist posted:

The ad isn't coherent enough to really work either diegetically as an ad or as a statement about its own world.

Arist posted:

We, here at home, don't live in that world though, and the creators have to consider the way it's going to be received by us. The ad isn't coherent enough to really work either diegetically as an ad or as a statement about its own world. The only thing it's actually saying is "look at this penis, aren't we edgy."

Mordja posted:

How does the actual shooting look? Changed much from the last E3 demo they put out?

E: For reference sake, the gunplay in that vid might not have looked as tight as something like DOOM but definitely seemed better than most RPG-shooters, definitely turning off floating numbers tho.

terrorist ambulance posted:

Based on one screenshot that is offensive if you tilt you head and look hard for it, here's my 3000 word discourse on "red flags" and "problematic" entitled "Big Cyber Dick, Bigger Yikes!!"

Dapper_Swindler posted:

He is full of poo poo on his gripes. I saw the demo myself yesterday because I am at e3. He doesn’t talk about the fact you can do completely non lethal play throughs or that the animals were super mixed race or that the voodoo boys were interesting. Also he complains about the gore a ton because it’s icky. What the gently caress did he expect. I’ll post more about the demo when I get back.

terrorist ambulance posted:

twitter woke games brigade: Be inclusive in writing video games

CDPR: OK *shows trans people getting exploited along with everyone else*

TWGB: NO NOT LIKE THAT

Grand Fromage posted:

Yes. Read all of Gibson's work.

Neuromancer has some fun artifacts of the age too, like at one point there's a big deal about a !!!three megabyte!!! storage drive.

Arist posted:

I was speaking more broadly in that instance (should have been more clear), but "trans/nonbinary person with massive, obvious penis" is not exactly a flattering portrayal. I understand that it's cyberpunk but even still the absolute most charitable reading I can come up with is that it's incredibly fetishistic.

Tormented posted:

So what? Everything getting fetishist. I think your problem is seeing a trans/nonbinary person being displayed like a sexual being like everyone else. Out of fetishes, girls with dicks is pretty tame.

Not every portrayal of any group is going to be all wonderful and I wouldn't look for a dark cyberpunk game as a place to have your flattering portrayal of any group.

Pussy Cartel posted:

I'm trans and I'm actually completely fine with that poster. To me it really does seem like just the typical lurid exploitation we can usually expect from corporate advertising campaigns, and the name is seems to me to just be playing on the word "chrome" and the tendency of people in CP2020 et al. to indulge in all sorts of radical body modifications for fun and profit.

_{I'd totally get a Mr. Studd if I could, too.}

Jimbot posted:

The difference being trans folk have to fight for their right to be and are at the mercy of lawmakers who think them deviants that erode their rights that they previously had to fight so hard to get. It's not the same as lumping them in with folks who have been historically better off than they've been.

"Everyone's being exploited in this world." doesn't hold water when cis players exit that fantasy and everything's OK. Trans are playing a game where there may not be any meaningful and good representation for them then when they're not playing they're facing a reality where their very being is under threat. It'd be like having a game where all of humanity is enslaved yet all the resistance leaders are white dudes and the only meaningful interaction you have with Black people is you free them in a mission.

Glenn Quebec posted:

Wait everyone is gnashing teeth over the dong chick lmao WHAT

terrorist ambulance posted:

Ok maybe (disagree that every representation of subaltern must be positive) but that's a structural critique based off of one promo screenshot and no context or sense of the whole work yet

Jimbot posted:

The difference being trans folk have to fight for their right to be and are at the mercy of lawmakers who think them deviants that erode their rights that they previously had to fight so hard to get. It's not the same as lumping them in with folks who have been historically better off than they've been.

"Everyone's being exploited in this world." doesn't hold water when cis players exit that fantasy and everything's OK. Trans are playing a game where there may not be any meaningful and good representation for them then when they're not playing they're facing a reality where their very being is under threat. It'd be like having a game where all of humanity is enslaved yet all the resistance leaders are white dudes and the only meaningful interaction you have with Black people is you free them in a mission.

Pussy Cartel posted:

_{I'd totally get a Mr. Studd if I could, too.}

Chalks posted:

I mean what is the alternative?

quote:

“Personally, for me, this person is sexy,” Redesiuk said. “I like how this person looks. However, this model is used — their beautiful body is used — for corporate reasons. They are displayed there just as a thing, and that’s the terrible part of it.”

Redesiuk said that the world of Cyberpunk 2077 includes many people who are gender-nonconforming, some of whom enjoy showing off their bodies in public. They are a demographic group with significant purchasing power, and so, megacorporations use their likenesses to sell soft drinks. It’s supposed to be a play on the same sort of hypersexualized advertising that modern companies use to sell products today, just brought in line with the kind of future CD Projekt wants to portray.

“In [the year] 2077, especially with how much body modifications are available, I think people just mix and match however they want, however they feel,” Redesiuk said. “And even society is more open to different kinds of relationships.”

This is not to say that the player should see this kind of advertising as good. Redesiuk said that it was designed to feel jarring and overly aggressive, like all the other ads in the game, but not because of the femme-presenting trans model.
“Cyberpunk 2077 is a dystopian future where megacorporations dictate everything,” Redesiuk said. “They try to, and successfully, influence people’s lives. They shove products down their throats. They create those very aggressive advertisements that use, and abuse, a lot of people’s needs and instincts. So, hypersexualization is apparent everywhere, and in our ads there are many examples of hypersexualized women, hypersexualized men, and hypersexualized people in between.

Comte de Saint-Germain posted:

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gary oldmans diary posted:

In a game not extensively about body modification set in a world where that is a prominent theme it would be.

Chalks posted:

I mean what is the alternative? If we assume that trans people are being portrayed as fully accepted in society and this poster is part of that - are you saying they should just not include any trans people at all to avoid possible offence? Someone said earlier that it's probably impossible for them to do this in a way where everyone agrees that it's OK, so there aren't very many options.

I completely agree that if this poster is the only portrayal then it's cheap and offensively lazy, but certainly at this time we owe them the benefit of the doubt on that.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Have as many giant cocks on trans people on billboards as appear on cis models on billboards?

RottenK posted:

Polygon asked one of the art directors about the ad.

their response seems good and in line with the more optimistic interpretations people had:

Agnosticnixie posted:

unlike today where a majority of men have seen trans porn but still pretend to have never heard of it or seen it

CharlestonJew posted:

that's a pretty good reasoning and I'm 100% fine with the cyber dong

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

The reason, 'we're making commentary about corporate fetishisation and exploitation in the future!' doesn't work, is that they're a corporation. It's not commentary, it's just doing the thing.

CharlestonJew posted: