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caberham posted:this is not in Reddit or main social media What is that a pepper pellet baton?
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Jun 12, 2019 17:06
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caberham posted:I have 0 problems with new mainland immigrants and love to have new people coming to the city. I don't want to bring up these issues during the HK protest because its not the right time to bring them up. But IMO Hong Kongers need to get over their heads that they should be treated different than other cities in China. Why should HK tax dollar stay in HK and not contribute to the country like all of the coastal provinces? You keep having this "HK exceptionalism" mindset is why Hong Kong centric sentiments don't go anywhere inside China. quote:That we can have a PLA garrison which nobody really cares when we can have our own economic representation and different seats across global organizations. The spirit of one country two systems is to have a high degree of autonomy. That everyone as a compromise can be nationalized as Chinese in HK (we really let down our brown folks and South Asians) If "1 country 2 systems" solution is not getting any traction in TW why should Beijing keep pushing it? I am of the opinion that HK need to be part GD or be a direct-admined city. The only way to solve the dystopian property price is CCP need to come in and clean house.
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Jun 12, 2019 17:17
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so what is everyone's favorite chinese food, I can never choose between General Tsao's chicken and crab rangoon
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Jun 12, 2019 17:33
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tino posted:I don't want to bring up these issues during the HK protest because its not the right time to bring them up. But IMO Hong Kongers need to get over their heads that they should be treated different than other cities in China. Why should HK tax dollar stay in HK and not contribute to the country like all of the coastal provinces? You keep having this "HK exceptionalism" mindset is why Hong Kong centric sentiments don't go anywhere inside China. People in HK advocate for June 4, where the whole country should reform and the bare minimum of all chinese people should be treated better. You are right it should not be any HK exceptionalism, it should be China should run a better country and treat all its citizens better. Historically HK have donated more than its share for floods, earth quakes, natural disasters to other Chinese provinces. If contributing money to the coastal provinces promotes equality and reduces poverty, Im totally for that. Unfortunately several of those donations have been appropriated for corruption or some minister’s private slush fund. There would be a lot fewer food scandals, people coming to hk buying baby formula, mainlanders would be happier being in their own hospitals. Really, it’s more like the people in the rest of China deserve more, a lot more. quote:If "1 country 2 systems" solution is not getting any traction in TW why should Beijing keep pushing it? I am of the opinion that HK need to be part GD or be a direct-admined city. The only way to solve the dystopian property price is CCP need to come in and clean house. CCP is aligned with those property tycoons man. Do you know the number of houses owned by Chinese government officials here in Hk and by the Chinese affairs bureau in luxury housing flats to skip taxes? Lots. Current HK land policy is beneficial to PRC ministers on a personal economic level. Look at Beijing, Shanghai and Chengdu, there’s the same kind of malls built by HK property tycoons, your IAPM, your IFC, with your Watson’s chain etc. Your Wanda, your other mainland property developers look to HK land development as a model to replicate.
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Jun 12, 2019 17:36
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People in HK wouldn’t be so angry/upset with direct administration if the direct administration isn’t so bad and unaccountable to the people. The head of Guangdong affairs was the guy who handled sars, and the way he handled it was with a loving media blackout like Chernobyl. It was HK that started dealing with SARS openly after a few blunders and mainland was forced to deal. Yeah HK exceptionalism can definitely be something to groan at and even masking as racism. Sometimes I roll my eyes at Hongers being so sheltered from the mainland. China is changing so much within the last 30 years but the amount of poo poo we see in China is lol gbs territory. I know China is a vast territory full of different economic classes and greater population, that it has come a long way. And I love to see the country become better. But: low hanging fruit Fake food fake milk powder laughable infrastructure secret police kidnapping cracking down on dissent collapsing escalators the developing country stuff There’s a lot less lol China but it’s still there so and I’m sure you know what I mean.
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Jun 12, 2019 17:47
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https://www.liberationnews.org/educational-background-material-hong-kong-crisis-prepared-psl/
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Jun 12, 2019 18:13
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:https://www.liberationnews.org/educational-background-material-hong-kong-crisis-prepared-psl/ 20. In the United States, candidates historically were selected by tightly controlled party machines, and to the extent that this has changed with the primary system, it has only expanded the influence of money in politics. In none of these forms of bourgeois politics do the people actually rule. So what exactly is the model of universal suffrage that is being upheld? The one where the 2016 U.S. presidential race is likely to be another Bush against another Clinton?
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Jun 12, 2019 18:19
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Typo posted:20. In the United States, candidates historically were selected by tightly controlled party machines, and to the extent that this has changed with the primary system, it has only expanded the influence of money in politics. In none of these forms of bourgeois politics do the people actually rule. So what exactly is the model of universal suffrage that is being upheld? The one where the 2016 U.S. presidential race is likely to be another Bush against another Clinton? Trump's signature legislative achievement thus far has been a huge corporate tax cut. Nearly everyone was wrong about the 2016 election.
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Jun 12, 2019 18:31
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Trump's signature legislative achievement thus far has been a huge corporate tax cut. Nearly everyone was wrong about the 2016 election. Correct, if protesters were to win they would most likely enact similar corporate tax cuts in China in accordance with their bourgeois class interests
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Jun 12, 2019 18:47
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18. While being projected by the capitalist media as out-of-control tyranny, it is worth noting that this system is far more democratic than what existed under British rule, where the leaders were simply appointed. The British and U.S. governments presently back up open monarchies all over the world — recently trotting out several of them as “regional representatives” in the bombing of the Islamic State in Syria. 19. Moreover, the proposed system is not entirely inconsistent with the practice of bourgeois democracy in many places around the world. The United States has an Electoral College. In Britain, the Prime Minister is not directly elected. In many Western European countries there are “party-list” systems, where voters choose parties rather than individuals. Smaller bodies within each party selects — or “pre-approves” — the candidates, without being accountable to voters.
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Jun 12, 2019 18:49
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LimburgLimbo posted:God I hate loving imperialist infrastructure such as *checks notes* the right to not be abducted by secret police the lack of a formal extradition mechanism has meant more abductions, not less
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Jun 12, 2019 19:42
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R. Guyovich posted:the lack of a formal extradition mechanism has meant more abductions, not less Was there a period of legal extradition to compare this to to indicate that the lack thereof has indeed created more abductions?
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Jun 12, 2019 19:57
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this is a good take: https://twitter.com/comradexiangyu/status/1138856954938269696?s=21
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Jun 12, 2019 20:02
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Xelkelvos posted:Was there a period of legal extradition to compare this to to indicate that the lack thereof has indeed created more abductions? not to my knowledge, since the brits insisted on not including it during handover negotiations
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Jun 12, 2019 20:20
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R. Guyovich posted:not to my knowledge, since the brits insisted on not including it during handover negotiations So how can you say it's resulted in more?
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Jun 12, 2019 20:24
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if anyone can post some links explaining what's happening in hong kong at a level that even an isiot foreigner can understand yet at a level higher than cspam forums posts, i'd greatly appreciate it. i'm interested in why extradition, specifically, kicked this off, but any sources on the underlying causes would be welcome as well. thanks 
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Jun 12, 2019 20:27
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Xelkelvos posted:So how can you say it's resulted in more? what is this socrates jr. bullshit. in the absence of a legal avenue an extralegal one will be pursued.
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Jun 12, 2019 20:28
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tino posted:It's annexation not colonization you idiot. Right. Like what happened with Crimea.
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Jun 12, 2019 20:36
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R. Guyovich posted:the lack of a formal extradition mechanism has meant more abductions, not less Correct, with a formal system China wouldn't have to kidnap Hong Kong booksellers. They would just have the authority to extradite anyone that publishes any anti-CCP material that spreads to the mainland for the crime of "spreading rumors" or "undermining state power". Which may or may not apply to foreigners that pass through a Hong Kong airport
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Jun 12, 2019 20:53
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I think western liberals do not understand the importance of abductions as an important ritual of chinese political culture, and are being culturally insensitive while hurting feelings of chinese people by criticizing it
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Jun 12, 2019 21:12
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Typo posted:I think western liberals do not understand the importance of abductions as an important ritual of chinese political culture, and are being culturally insensitive while hurting feelings of chinese people by criticizing it epic
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Jun 12, 2019 21:33
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je1 healthcare posted:Correct, with a formal system China wouldn't have to kidnap Hong Kong booksellers. They would just have the authority to extradite anyone that publishes any anti-CCP material that spreads to the mainland for the crime of "spreading rumors" or "undermining state power". Which may or may not apply to foreigners that pass through a Hong Kong airport no they wouldn't. the dual criminality rule still applies.
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Jun 12, 2019 23:38
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Typo posted:I think western liberals do not understand the importance of abductions as an important ritual of chinese political culture, and are being culturally insensitive while hurting feelings of chinese people by criticizing it 
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Jun 13, 2019 00:23
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R. Guyovich posted:no they wouldn't. the dual criminality rule still applies. Gui Min Hai got abuducted while on vacation in Thailand. He appeared on Phoenix television and regretted over a traffic accident he caused years ago and his sense of guilt made him return to China and confess. Oh the book gossip was icing on the cake.
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Jun 13, 2019 00:34
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Like sure, the bill got changed, but the legislative procedures are all over the place yet the government wants to railroad it. Don’t even get me started on the legislature. Functional constituencies, the colonial voting model which instead of being abolished, is being entrenched. The basic law stipulates that PRC should stay out of HK legislature and ordinances - yet the amount of involvement between establishment officials and HK China bureau affairs is staggering - oh they never also never admit on camera that they are working on local affairs together “just a visit”
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Jun 13, 2019 00:40
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Does anyone know which twitch channel is best to watch the CIA plants get what they deserve
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Jun 13, 2019 01:08
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Jun 13, 2019 01:25
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大灣區！ I want to have better commuter trains like Tokyo and Osaka where I can get to the edges in Shenzhen under 45 minutes without walking in and out of platforms. Heck everyone spent so much money on these bridges let me take an express rail from HK airport to Macau airport and do a unified airspace management program with high speed rail load balancing
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Jun 13, 2019 01:39
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sincx posted:The total lack of restraint here from the HK authorities in response to an initially peaceful protest suggests that the CCP intends for HK to become just another 直辖市* in 2047. Gotta get the people used to constant repression ahead of time. The counterpoint is most chinese people (not the ones who hang out on anglosphere comedy sites haunted by state department goons) can't wait until Hong Kong gets taken down a peg or two
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Jun 13, 2019 01:45
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dude you tried to be a state department goon but you didn’t get in. Last Sunday had the biggest turn out since the hand over, the crowd was even bigger than 2003 article 23 protest. what’s next Wong Chi Fung, who was then 15?years old when he organized against the national education policy is a CIA stooge? A then 15 year old from a Christian family?
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Jun 13, 2019 01:54
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there aren't a million crisis actors in the street but there are key nodes like media and ngos that can and frequently do influence opinion enough to get people in the streets the fact of the matter is this particular issue should have been handled back in 1997 and the delay was like letting a toothache fester.
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Jun 13, 2019 01:57
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R. Guyovich posted:there aren't a million crisis actors in the street but there are key nodes like media and ngos that can and frequently do influence opinion enough to get people in the streets What would the optimal way to resolve the issue be, in your opinion?
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Jun 13, 2019 02:00
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1 China, 1 System
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Jun 13, 2019 02:02
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Lightning Knight posted:What would the optimal way to resolve the issue be, in your opinion? maybe it's to treat everyone equally under chinese law? 
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Jun 13, 2019 02:08
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Lightning Knight posted:What would the optimal way to resolve the issue be, in your opinion? the hk government is incompetent. they've made a ton of incredibly stupid mistakes over the last few years. i don't know that i trust the people in charge to handle the next issue even if this one gets resolved.
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Jun 13, 2019 02:11
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R. Guyovich posted:the hk government is incompetent. they've made a ton of incredibly stupid mistakes over the last few years. i don't know that i trust the people in charge to handle the next issue even if this one gets resolved. correct, I think therefore a long term resolution involves replacing hk government by more competent administrators
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Jun 13, 2019 02:12
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The Song sisters stayed in Georgia and are Baptists!!
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Jun 13, 2019 02:13
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R. Guyovich posted:the hk government is incompetent. they've made a ton of incredibly stupid mistakes over the last few years. i don't know that i trust the people in charge to handle the next issue even if this one gets resolved. If only... they could be accountable to the people somehow. I wonder how you rise up in ranks with the current civil service, in China and HK
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Jun 13, 2019 02:15
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caberham posted:If only... they could be accountable to the people somehow. something that's interesting about that is in the mainland gdp growth is no longer the key metric for promotion and career advancement. employment, emissions and incomes are taking greater prominence in a "new normal" economy.
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Jun 13, 2019 02:19
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Bernie Sanders lumped Xi in with Putin and Bolsonaro in a speech today but China seems pretty cool so I guess I disagree? Idk.
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Jun 13, 2019 02:20
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