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Captain Invictus posted:For anime only viewers, there's a really dumb "actually, aot is fascist" clickbait article on polygon that's mixed with manga spoilers and straight up wrong takes despite dressing itself up as a take on the anime. Just a fair warning in case anyone happens to see that stupid article around, don't click on it. An ill-thought, clickbaity article from Polygon? Say it ain't so!
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Yeah, they have a bunch of dumb bullshit, but they also give the guy who does unraveled(forget his name) a platform and he's one of the best comedians in games anything right now so I tend to give them a pass on their lovely clickbait  The ultimate pokerap is simply inspiring
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Captain Invictus posted:Yeah, they have a bunch of dumb bullshit, but they also give the guy who does unraveled(forget his name) a platform and he's one of the best comedians in games anything right now so I tend to give them a pass on their lovely clickbait Brian David Gilbert is a treat and deserves so many props.
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LightningKimba posted:Brian David Gilbert is a treat and deserves so many props.
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Captain Invictus posted:For anime only viewers, there's a really dumb "actually, aot is fascist" clickbait article on polygon that's mixed with manga spoilers and straight up wrong takes despite dressing itself up as a take on the anime. Just a fair warning in case anyone happens to see that stupid article around, don't click on it. Thanks, Google likes trying to show me articles and I have to keep on telling it not to.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Why is everyone here mentioning child soldiers, what did I miss from this last episode that would make us think Bert and Reiner were recruited as children? Marley did a recruitment drive for Eldian children to become Titan shifter soldiers, which is what Grisha tried to make Zeke become to further Grisha's Eldian restoration goals, which backfired During RBA's attack on Wall Maria: Eren, Mikasa, and Armin were 10 Reiner and Bertholdt were 12, and Annie was 10. In flashbacks, Marcel looks to be around the same age range, so presumably he is too. That may or may not be correct. I guess while I'm here I might as well do a 9 Titans status list, as well. In Paradis: 1) ??? Titan: Possessed by Eren, passed on after he ate his father. 2) Founding Titan: Possessed by Eren; passed on after he ate his father, who had gained it from eating Freida. 3) Colossal Titan: Possessed by Armin; gained after he ate 4) Female Titan: Possessed by Annie, who is deep underground encased in crystal. In Marley: 5) ??? Titan: This titan has not been named yet. 6) ??? Titan: This titan has not been named yet. It's most likely the Quadraped Titan, since that Titan spoke and gave a report to Zeke. Posessed by ???. 7) Armored Titan: Posessed by Reiner. 8) Beast Titan: Possessed by Zeke. 9) ??? Titan: Possessed by Ymir. This titan has not been named yet. Ymir went back to Marley with Reiner and Bertholdt. She wasn't there during the Singanshina Battle, and Reiner had a letter from her to Historia, so presumably Ymir is in Marley now. Catalina fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Why is everyone here mentioning child soldiers, what did I miss from this last episode that would make us think Bert and Reiner were recruited as children? They would have been the same age as Eren, Mikasa, and Armin when they broke the walls at first, and they were all very much children at the time.
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I could have sworn it talked to Zeke so I知 counting him as one. Also in the drawings there is a drawing of a titan on all 4 so I think it痴 him. Janitor Prime fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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It seems like a terrible idea to initiate this important plan with children, even if it sort of worked. And then I guess Marley just left RBA to it for years without checking up on them?
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Catalina posted:Marley did a recruitment drive for Eldian children to become Titan shifter soldiers, which is what Grisha tried to make Zeke become to further Grisha's Eldian restoration goals, which backfired The Quad Titan spoke to Zeke and gave a report.
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Thanks, that's right, I'd forgotten that. Updated the status report.
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Alan_Shore posted:It seems like a terrible idea to initiate this important plan with children, even if it sort of worked. And then I guess Marley just left RBA to it for years without checking up on them? The older someone is, the greater they break free of indoctrination. Also way easier to sneak in children with no apparent families than combat ready adults.
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Also the Shifter trio have a small appearance in episode 2 as children https://m.imgur.com/a/wBanA
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Exia posted:Also the Shifter trio have a small appearance in episode 2 as children  
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Saagonsa posted:They would have been the same age as Eren, Mikasa, and Armin when they broke the walls at first, and they were all very much children at the time. I mean, let's be honest, they're still all children now, though some of that can be chalked up to "anime."
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I just rewatched the first episode (which is a fantastic first episode) I have two notes: 1) Eren dreams about the future before it happens, which is interesting 2) the episode is called "To you, in 2000 years..." hmmm
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Alan_Shore posted:I just rewatched the first episode (which is a fantastic first episode) I have two notes: Still curious if the narrator is supposed to be Mikasa or Armin. I知 leaning towards Mikasa, since she is immune to mind wipes.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Still curious if the narrator is supposed to be Mikasa or Armin. I知 leaning towards Mikasa, since she is immune to mind wipes. speculation I think its a titan inheritor/predecessor of Eren. Lamebot fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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That image in the book with the titans holding up "roads" made me think of that commercial break card about a guy trying to dig under the walls until he disappeared. I'd love it if there's some kind of subterranian mega titan land.
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Something I just realized is a great dark joke: The Scouts exist to eliminate the Titans, with I guess some goal of eliminating Titans cause as of the first episode it can be assumed that they dont reproduce and there has to be a set number. Nope. There is basically an unlimited supply of Titans that are basically being poured into the aquarium.
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Yawgmoft posted:That image in the book with the titans holding up "roads" made me think of that commercial break card about a guy trying to dig under the walls until he disappeared. I'd love it if there's some kind of subterranian mega titan land. Almost certainly he was captured by the MPs, maybe even Kenny's crew.
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Gaj posted:Something I just realized is a great dark joke: Not only that, the scouts are inadvertently murdering their own people
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Hmm. Something that just occurred to me: the sanctity of the walls seems to depend entirely upon Marley pouring an unlimited supply of titans into the island. Like, sure, the First King moves most of his civilisation to the island, sets up a bunch of walls, and maybe even drops a few Titans outside to keep anyone from leaving easily. But those Titans won't last forever - even if the inhabitants of the walls are fairly incompetent at killing them, surely they'll end up wandering somewhere without sunlight and hibernating like Ymir did, or getting killed by humans through pure luck. And with no titans outside, or even with not very many, people will start to get curious, and the Military Police can't stop them all, not without turning the walls explicitly into some sort of prison and inviting violent revolution. So did the First King know that Marley was going to cooperate with his plan and continually refill the titans? Did he even arrange for them to do so - e.g, give them syringes and the technology to make them, intentionally leave Eldians behind to provide a "breeding pool"? Or did they decide to do so independently, and if so why? What do they get out of it, other than containment of the Eldians (when presumably they'd rather exterminate them - in fact I have to assume the only reason they keep a population of Eldians alive in ghettos is so they have a self-replentishing supply of mindless titans). Is this one of the not-release-titans-in-walls conditions? i don't think we have enough information to answer any of this, but it's interesting to think about
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Also, realized the whole ~pact with the devil~ thing has to be propaganda, since it came from Marley...I wonder if we'll ever find out where Titan Powers actually came from and if this is set in a future/past version of our Earth. Didn't we see some version of this in Historia's childhood book? Maybe the original Eldian myth is more like tricking the devil.
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Lube Enthusiast posted:I really want this series to have a happy end but i知 struggling to imagine how Armin's speech about getting to know one another right before he ate Beartoto is the only out that I see to a happy ending...if Armin can get some memories of Bert ala Eren/Grisha, he might gain an understanding necessary to end the conflict. Only problem is we don't know if Eren is getting memories, having his personality subsumed, or what...every shifter we've seen has been pretty schizophrenic. Maera Sior posted:Didn't we see some version of this in Historia's childhood book? Maybe the original Eldian myth is more like tricking the devil. I need to rewatch... 
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Lube Enthusiast posted:I really want this series to have a happy end but i知 struggling to imagine how According to a late 2013 interview (around the end of the Clash of the Titans arc in the manga, when Eren uses the Coordinate), one of the conditions Isayama's editor gave him in order to begin publishing was to have an ending in mind. And so he did. But as time went on he became conflicted, because he was concerned about the "traumatizing" effect it'd have on audiences, particularly as the series gained popularity with the anime and movie adaptations. He said then that he came up with a different ending idea, but wanted to stick to the original ending too so...  At the very least it's probably not going to be as dark as he originally envisioned. Probably. For a little more context, Sasha was originally slated to die back in S2, when she saves that little girl from titanized Connie's dad. But apparently Isayama's editor told her it was too tragic and Sasha's too popular to go like that, so that's why our lovable potato girl is still around. So the series' popularity certainly has some influence on the direction he's willing to take it.
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e: Quiet about potential manga spoilers, please.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yawgmoft posted:God I hope Mikasa doesn't eat him and is like "you'll always be a part of me/with me" Would that even work given she's of Asian/Ackerman descent as opposed to Eldian?
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I知 not even sure I壇 want a happy ending, the series has always had such a good nuance in its understanding of the human condition in a world that is constantly swinging between hope and despair. I壇 much prefer a bittersweet one. Though I guess I wouldn稚 say no to an ending where everyone lives happily ever after because they turn Paradis into a tourist destination where you can go on Titan hunting safaris and pay for seating to watch Titan Shifter MMA and wrestling matches, thus proving that the Eldians have an important contribution to make the world a better place. Catalina fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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So I was watching some scenes from last season and I just wanted to highlight that man this reveal recontextualises and gives a lot more meaning to Ymir's connection to Historia. Like, Ymir grew up in a Eldian slum a generation after the Marlian's took over and specifically grew up pretending to be of a descendant of the original Ymir to a cult of insurgent Eldians. Only for everything to be torn down and she got turned into a Titan. But then through a sheer miraculous coincidence she managed to eat one of the 9 Shifters in the entire world and meet an actual royal descendant who formed a deep personal connection to her and "forgave" her for her perceived sins. It's like if an actual Jew in the holocaust met Moses or something, who personally validated them as a person. It makes a lot of what she was doing make a lot more sense now. Of course this is only for the anime, since I don't think her backstory was shown yet in the manga.
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