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EugeneJ posted:Is that not the exact same thing AJ Styles did when he broke the neck of the guy who killed himself this week No, not at all. AJ basically blamed him for taking the move wrong.
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EugeneJ posted:Is that not the exact same thing AJ Styles did when he broke the neck of the guy who killed himself this week It was different with AJ because NJPW or whoever wanted to sell this as AJ being a threat, I don't think AJ went out of his way to gloat about it. AJ's saved people quite a few times from getting hosed by the Styles Clash in WWE by moving a different way.
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DLC Inc posted:It was different with AJ because NJPW or whoever wanted to sell this as AJ being a threat, I don't think AJ went out of his way to gloat about it. AJ's saved people quite a few times from getting hosed by the Styles Clash in WWE by moving a different way. From an interview with Lionheart in the Mirror... quote:Q: Watching the match it appears Styles may not have been telling the truth when he suggested he didn't know you were badly hurt at the time, as he was captured on PCW cameras making a mocking gesture and shaking his head. He could also be heard to say "cashing cheques and breaking necks, that’s how it works". Did this behaviour, or him releasing a t-shirt referring to the incident, anger you?
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MassRafTer posted:From an interview with Lionheart in the Mirror... ah, didn't know that, I was thinking about the Yoshitatsu one.
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sami callihan stinks but he is definitely better than aj styles
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It's bizarre to me that people still tucked their chins after several other workers got hosed up doing it, and after AJ probably repeatedly told them backstage not to do that I understand that you're trained to tuck your chin but it's a front bump. Do they also tuck their chins when they take a flapjack
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Low Desert Punk posted:It's bizarre to me that people still tucked their chins after several other workers got hosed up doing it, and after AJ probably repeatedly told them backstage not to do that You aren't inverted when you are taking a flapjack, they are very different bumps. It is very hard to train yourself to go against your instincts. When I'm inverted on aerial silks and falling we're told to tuck your chin, same as a wrestler. There are exceptions to this where you'd land like a Styles Clash if you did and it's very hard to remember not to tuck your chin even when your instructor has told you not to.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:49
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Despite announce teams selling it like literal death, the second rope Clash is significantly safer.
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is there any finisher that looks less harmful than the AA? I mean besides the loving People's Elbow or similar strikes. It's kind of nuts how Cena was the tip top guy and had a glorified fireman's carry for his big move. It's one of the lamest finishers I've seen on a top guy for sure. On that note is there a reason for Jericho doing the Walls crab that looks lame as gently caress later in the career over the Liontamer? Is it just due to the size of an opponent or it's unsafe? I remember the Liontamer/Walls of Jericho was his go-to submission but then he toned it down into a Boston Crab, while the other one with the high angle and knee to the neck was called Liontamer(?). The name shifts were confusing to me because several games had called the OG move by both names before.
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Its mostly that the high angle, Liontamer version loving sucks to take.
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As far as slams go, the AA is bad. Road Dogg's pumhandle slam might be worse. Reverse Russian leg sweeps never look good, and very few people can make STOs or reverse STOs look like a finisher. There's also that Overdrive move that they gave to developmental guys they didn't like.
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The Samoan Spike offends me on a deeply personal level when the Tongan Death Grip rules so hard qnd hasnt been used in forever.
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The Scorpion Death Lock
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scorpion death lock is one of those ones where if you put it on so it looks like it hurts, it’s probably killing the guy. it’s actually one that looks best when Nattie does it because there’s a decent chance she’s putting it on some gal with a gymnastics background who can have her back arched waaaay back without it hurting
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jesus WEP posted:scorpion death lock is one of those ones where if you put it on so it looks like it hurts, it’s probably killing the guy. it’s actually one that looks best when Nattie does it because there’s a decent chance she’s putting it on some gal with a gymnastics background who can have her back arched waaaay back without it hurting Nattie doesn't do the Scorpion Death Lock. I named it specifically because Sting's are usually applied with less force than bedsheets.
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Sting never managed to make the Scorpion look painful, but after like 20 years he eventually managed to stop stumbling ever time he turned his opponent over. I know the Heart Punch is a terrible finish in the abstract, but it legit killed a guy and kayfabe killed another guy who died after the match. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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Halloween Jack posted:As far as slams go, the AA is bad. Road Dogg's pumhandle slam might be worse. Reverse Russian leg sweeps never look good, and very few people can make STOs or reverse STOs look like a finisher. There's also that Overdrive move that they gave to developmental guys they didn't like. imo the good reverse STO -esque moves are the ones Bray Wyatt/Cody Rhodes do, though it also relies on whoever takes those to sell them. The one that Dustin took at DoN looked phenomenal.
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Banderas is definitely good at it. It helps that he's bigger than most guys he wrestles, so he really makes it look like he's attaching a 250-pound weight to your neck to yank your face down into the mat.
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The talk about Japanese traditions and Young Lions and being humble brought this question to mind. In the 80/90s why were foreign guys like Vader, Hansen, Dynamite, Norton, Andre etc so popular? Was it the "foreign heel/monster" factor or was the crowd bored by their own grapplers? I mean reading stories about their experiences it was like they were gods. They could stiff/nearly kill their opponents, got paid very good, got rats brought to the hotel room every night. Sounded like paradise.
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Halloween Jack posted:Road Dogg's pumhandle slam might be worse. Yeah, but what other move can you supercharge through dry humping?
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The Bronco Buster is literally just a flying dry hump
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a german suplex is just one big overpowered dry hump
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Halloween Jack posted:As far as slams go, the AA is bad. Road Dogg's pumhandle slam might be worse. Reverse Russian leg sweeps never look good, and very few people can make STOs or reverse STOs look like a finisher. There's also that Overdrive move that they gave to developmental guys they didn't like. The AA is the only one among these that was the finisher of a company ace for close to a decade and treated like death. The closest comparison would be the rock bottom which is also a fairly lame slam, sold as death because it was the top star doing it. Actually the AA is probably a better finish the that Rock Bottom because at least the elevation is higher, and it was legitimately extremely awesome anytime he did it to big show.
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^^ hiroshi tanahashi does a top rope splash as a finish and hell it works. im beginning to think that giving your ace a pretty basic finisher is a pro move. Halloween Jack posted:As far as slams go, the AA is bad. Road Dogg's pumhandle slam might be worse. Reverse Russian leg sweeps never look good, and very few people can make STOs or reverse STOs look like a finisher. There's also that Overdrive move that they gave to developmental guys they didn't like. lol remember when bobby roode came out in nxt and did a pumphandle slam as his finish in his debut match and it went over so poorly it was different by the next taping or whatever i hate that jericho had to stop using the liontamer in most applications, but i get it. he went from wrestling cruisers to wrestling much bigger dudes and apparently it hurt like loving hell even on smaller guys. i'll still pop when he does it, guaranteed though. such a good looking submission
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As I recall, the Rock Bottom wasn't treated like a Burning Hammer even when the Rock was at his peak, and he would often hit it more than once in big matches. I wasn't so bothered by it being a weak move because it wasn't as protected as the Tombstone.
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Halloween Jack posted:As I recall, the Rock Bottom wasn't treated like a Burning Hammer even when the Rock was at his peak, and he would often hit it more than once in big matches. I wasn't so bothered by it being a weak move because it wasn't as protected as the Tombstone.
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shiksa posted:^^ hiroshi tanahashi does a top rope splash as a finish and hell it works. im beginning to think that giving your ace a pretty basic finisher is a pro move. High Fly Flow is a way better move than either the AA or the RB. Several top guys have done splashes as finishers. I actually think giving wrestlers safe moves is good though - I'd rather see people Rock Bottomed than piledriven (piledrivered?). The performer gets it over, and the Rock Bottom was over.
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shiksa posted:i hate that jericho had to stop using the liontamer in most applications, but i get it. he went from wrestling cruisers to wrestling much bigger dudes and apparently it hurt like loving hell even on smaller guys. i'll still pop when he does it, guaranteed though. such a good looking submission Liontamer is by far my favorite submission ever, and I don't even say that as a huge childhood Jericho mark, since I didn't watch him until he came to WWF and had switched to the Walls.
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Hellblazer187 posted:High Fly Flow is a way better move than either the AA or the RB. Several top guys have done splashes as finishers. The traditional piledriver is completely safe and probably wears you down less than a Rock Bottom.
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TheCool69 posted:The talk about Japanese traditions and Young Lions and being humble brought this question to mind. In the 80/90s why were foreign guys like Vader, Hansen, Dynamite, Norton, Andre etc so popular? Was it the "foreign heel/monster" factor or was the crowd bored by their own grapplers? I mean reading stories about their experiences it was like they were gods. They could stiff/nearly kill their opponents, got paid very good, got rats brought to the hotel room every night. The foreign heel was always big in Japan. You can imagine why a Japanese (or secretly Korean) hero feuding with and overcoming an American villain in post-war Japan would capture the fans' imaginations. Also most people think about WWF vs WCW as the big wrestling war, but Japanese companies were constantly at war with each other in the 70s- 90s. Just think about the fact that Giant Baba and Antonio Inoki were students of Rikidozan at the same time, worked as a tag team, became the top two stars in Japan, and both eventually went off to form rival promotions. The gaijin were a big part of the "war". If you could steal Hansen or Brody from the other guy, it was a big shot fired.
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A schoolboy rollup is a single extended dryhump unless you do what edge did to stephanie(i want to say it was steph he dryhumped in a pin in a intergender tag?) when he pinned her.
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AkumaHokoru posted:A schoolboy rollup is a single extended dryhump unless you do what edge did to stephanie(i want to say it was steph he dryhumped in a pin in a intergender tag?) when he pinned her. I think that was Beulah at One Night Stand?
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The Rock Bottom was loving cool
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Jackie D posted:The Rock Bottom was loving cool No, The Rock was cool and any move he did was cool. I've seen many a bad and uncool Rock Bottom.
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shiksa posted:^^ hiroshi tanahashi does a top rope splash as a finish and hell it works. im beginning to think that giving your ace a pretty basic finisher is a pro move.  Frog splash. (And sometimes frog crossbody, which does mean that Randy Orton at one time used the same finish as the Ace of the Universe)
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spongeh posted:I think that was Beulah at One Night Stand? 
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DLC Inc posted:is there any finisher that looks less harmful than the AA? Before he switched to the STF, Erik Watts' finisher was a Fireman's Carry Takedown. So imagine a AA, except the guy doing it in on his knees. The Scorpion Death Lock was cool back when Sting's back and knees weren't hosed up to the point where he couldn't bend.
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MassRafTer posted:The traditional piledriver is completely safe and probably wears you down less than a Rock Bottom. Has anybody been injured by a rock bottom? People have been injured by piledrivers. Edit: lol at calling any move "completely safe"
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I'm the only person who liked Sting. 
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Randaconda posted:I'm the only person who liked Sting. Sting is cool. I always saw him as a guy who worked to the level of his opponents, like Booker T.
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