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arguments for Reapers Gale being bad: Redmask is introduced arguments for Reapers Gale being good: Redmask dies
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Jun 25, 2019 11:15
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Jaxyon posted:Jaghut culture is probably Eriksons ideal. An irreverent, know it all race that gave up on civilization. Sounds legit.
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Jun 25, 2019 13:42
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Yes his Author Opinion insert always seems to be "civilization blows"Lunchmeat Larry posted:arguments for Reapers Gale being bad: Redmask is introduced Even as someone who likes the series, I skip the Redmask parts. I mean, I get it, it's supposed to be an preamble to the KCM finding destriant/shield anvil/mortal sword in the next couple books, and also supposed be a "subversion" if the tribal warlord rises up and challenges the oppressor with unique tactics and wins freedom for his people story. He doesn't, he actually gets them all killed. But I don't enjoy it at all.
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Jun 25, 2019 18:44
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My favorite Erikson blog posts are the ones in which he eviscerates Star Trek Discovery
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Jun 25, 2019 20:33
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i enjoy the redmask subplot tremendously, it's a fine illustration of how the post-conquest letherii empire remained just as cruelly expansionist externally as before the edur, to go with the several subplots illustrating how it's remained equally cruel internally. besides, it's one of the few sequences where erickson portrays a military campaign dominated more by maneuvers and tactics than sorcery and ascendants. to say nothing of the several themes running through the annihilation of setoc's indebted settler family by redmask and his k'chain allies
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Jun 25, 2019 21:10
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Y'all make me sad, Reaper's Gale is easily my favourite of the whole series. Like all good epic fantasy, it has a million different plot threads and characters being violently smashed together, but it's right at the sweet spot where you can follow all their motivations and machinations. I really like the way the Edur are just rotting from the inside, and the various minor villains are wonderfully petty, and I like all the minor characters that get their own mini-arcs, even if I couldn't tell you any of their stupid loving names. Y'know, there's "Lether dude who makes a valiant last stand with the Edur protecting him from assassins", "clown-monk who has a mental breakdown", "minor functionary who goes all Batman on the corrupt landowner", "guardsman who is disgusted by all the corruption" etc etc. And if you didn't cry at literally any of the named-character deaths you loving monster then I dunno what book you were reading. Ben Nerevarine posted:My favorite Erikson blog posts are the ones in which he eviscerates Star Trek Discovery There's also the ones where he talks about how great The Orville is. Or ones on facebook where he gets into fights with people who are somehow surprised at his left-wing tendancies. It's not even subtext in BotF, it's text.
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Jun 25, 2019 22:15
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Strom Cuzewon posted:
The first dialogue in the entire series is Whiskeyjack making GBS threads all over "are troops" mentality.
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Jun 25, 2019 23:51
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I remember finishing the series and thinking Reaper’s Gale was the worst, and yet a lot more of it has stuck with me than, say, Bonehunters, DoD and TCG. I agree with Strom that it’s quite amazing how swiftly the Letherii elites effectively subjugate the Edur and their society disintegrates. The analogies to the US torture program are a powerful psychological subplot. On a fun level, nearly all the stars are there at some point. Beak is hilarious and depressing. I think I’ve said it before - it’s really good in Letheras and lame outside of it except when the Malazans arrive. But there’s enough good stuff that I’d probably reconsider my opinion on it. snoremac fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jun 26, 2019 |
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Jun 26, 2019 00:00
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Strom Cuzewon posted:And if you didn't cry at literally any of the named-character deaths you loving monster then I dunno what book you were reading. Beak 
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Jun 26, 2019 02:39
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Jun 26, 2019 02:46
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The Ninth Layer posted:Trull I really need a continuation of that story someday.
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Jun 26, 2019 02:51
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i'm just glad things more or less work out for udinaas in the end
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Jun 26, 2019 03:10
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snoremac posted:I remember finishing the series and thinking Reaper’s Gale was the worst, and yet a lot more of it has stuck with me than, say, Bonehunters, DoD and TCG. I agree with Strom that it’s quite amazing how swiftly the Letherii elites effectively subjugate the Edur and their society disintegrates. The analogies to the US torture program are a powerful psychological subplot. On a fun level, nearly all the stars are there at some point. Beak is hilarious and depressing. Throw a spoiler in there bruv for our first time reader.
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Jun 26, 2019 04:33
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Oops, done.
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Jun 26, 2019 06:15
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:i'm just glad things more or less work out for udinaas in the end I've read the books through twice and could name specific Udinaas scenes and even confirm that I liked him a lot but I could not tell you for the life of me what his storyline was
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Jun 26, 2019 11:38
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Hmm. I concur.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:56
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I've read the books through twice and could name specific Udinaas scenes and even confirm that I liked him a lot but I could not tell you for the life of me what his storyline was A journey whose ultimate goal all along was to be able to teach his grown-rear end son how to properly clean a fish
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Jun 26, 2019 14:36
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Reaper's Gale is great. You've got: Hellian's pub crawl Hedge destroying a T'lan Imass through the power of belief Quick Ben vs dragons Cussers vs dragons Tehol becoming Emperor by paying for propaganda Clip getting slapped around by Trull Feather Witch failing to learn how to breathe under water
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Jun 26, 2019 17:36
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I've read the books through twice and could name specific Udinaas scenes and even confirm that I liked him a lot but I could not tell you for the life of me what his storyline was I go back and forth on Udinaas all the time, sometimes on a page by page basis. I really like the idea of a ragtag fellowship off on an epic quest, and one normal bloke who loving hates being their constant pawn, but it did drag occasionally. Ditto his ending. I really hated it the first time round, but on my reread, and more so afterwards I really appreciate a heavily PTSDude who turns away from the world at large to be with his friends and family. They could have all died horribly, but they'd have been together, and that's enough for Udinaas. It reminds me a bit of Earthsea book 4, which talks about how Ged "is tired of doing, and is content to merely be". I've not seen Erikson comment on Le guin at all, but I imagine he's a fan.
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Jun 26, 2019 22:54
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kingturnip posted:Reaper's Gale is great. You've got: The Drum
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Jun 27, 2019 09:03
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Cardiac posted:The Drum The ghost of Kuru Qan
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Jun 27, 2019 11:27
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:The ghost of Kuru Qan Dudes just so pumped to be a ghost! It owns.
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Jun 27, 2019 22:55
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Which was the book set in coral? The one with the showdown in darujistan? Anyone else find that one a little too teary eyed navel gazy at times? I don't know why but the more upbeat happy times kellanved's reach made me thing back to it.
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Jun 28, 2019 00:04
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quote:Toll the Hounds is a lot more focused and imo still the best book I'm on Toll the Hounds right now, but thanks to getting caught up in other things, I have been hovering at 8% since May. As for now, Memories of Ice is still my favorite and Itkovian remains my favorite character. Reaper's Gale has one great thing going for it: It rekindled my love for Suikoden.  I mean, it was always there, but RG gave it the final push and proved quite inspiring.As for Redmask: The whole point of him was that he was so consumed with vengeance that he lost his humanity. He was supposed to provide leadership to the tribes, but instead provided death. Welp, got him killed and I was actually sad. As for tears, I got a bit misty-eyed eyed over Nisall, Beak(his flashback), and Trull
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Jun 28, 2019 00:18
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Finished Midnight Tides. I honestly think that male authors should stop writing about rape. The city stuff was also really jarring, you have Trull going on about how war is hell before we cut to wacky hijinks with Bugg and Tehol.
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Jun 28, 2019 10:33
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I enjoyed how the drama with the Edur was counterbalanced by the absurdist comedy in Letheras. That structure was emotionally very satisfying for me, and personally this was the point where Erikson's comic chops first really shined.
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Jun 28, 2019 10:49
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Alhazred posted:Finished Midnight Tides. I honestly think that male authors should stop writing about rape. The city stuff was also really jarring, you have Trull going on about how war is hell before we cut to wacky hijinks with Bugg and Tehol. Seran Pedac's rape is probably the worst in the series for just feeling so gratuitous (the fact that it has competition for that is also a slight problem!). He deals with it quite well at times (imo) so it sucks even more when he misses the mark
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Jun 28, 2019 11:15
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Holy poo poo. I've read this series twice now and I can't remember 90% of the plot points being mentioned here. I think read #3 is coming up soon.
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Jun 28, 2019 11:20
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:Seran Pedac's rape is probably the worst in the series for just feeling so gratuitous (the fact that it has competition for that is also a slight problem!). He deals with it quite well at times (imo) so it sucks even more when he misses the mark Its telling that its not even the worst one In the same book. Mayen is raped just so that Fear can get how hosed up Rhulad is.
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Jun 28, 2019 14:24
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I hate that I have a detailed and nuanced ranking of male author's handling of rape in fantasy.
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Jun 28, 2019 14:32
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I liked Shurq though. Mainly because she was one of the few characters that realized what a shitshow everything was and got the hell out. Oh well, onto Bonehunters.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:43
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Alhazred posted:I honestly think that male authors should stop writing about rape. Can this be the forum subtitle for the Book Barn
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Jun 28, 2019 17:42
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Midnight Tides is full of rape, Seren Paradec, Mayen, the seemingly useless Letherii slave at Trull's home clan, etc. Only the first half of House of Chains rival Midnight Tides for the amount of rape that went down. Letherii empire still half-annoys me simply from Tehol + Bugg tonal dissonance. Always felt like I was reading a 4th generation spin-off of Jeeves and Wooster (the stephen fry/hugh laurie version of the original PG Wodehouse Jeeves stories) crammed into the Malazan books to fill up space.
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Jun 29, 2019 02:10
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Did I miss the Wodehouse story where Bertie is secretly hypercompetent?
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Jun 29, 2019 06:27
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I liked how the Letherii empire was portrayed as this hyper-capitalistic monstrosity. The only thing that matters to them is how much coin you can get out of it. I would've liked it more if Erikson also hadn't said "actually communism sucks too "
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Jun 29, 2019 10:49
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Shocking to see the leading ideological cause of mass killing in the 20th century get some criticism. 
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Jun 29, 2019 21:48
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User posted:Shocking to see the leading ideological cause of mass killing in the 20th century get some criticism. Almost as shocking as crime and rates of violence going up during war and revolution.
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Jun 30, 2019 01:17
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When your ideology beats the nazis by an order of magnitude in mass killing you don't get to make the omelets argument.
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Jun 30, 2019 10:11
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User posted:Shocking to see the leading ideological cause of mass killing in the 20th century get some criticism.
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User posted:When your ideology beats the nazis by an order of magnitude in mass killing you don't get to make the omelets argument. I wasn't I was referring to people being surprised bad stuff including murder and rape happens in war and revolutions.
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