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Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Moridin920 posted:

Dunno about the panels but the batteries don't like the heat.

We had an evacuation at work last year complete with the fire-brigade turning up with breathing gear because the batteries in the UPS for the building got too hot & started leaking gas.

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The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Shima Honnou posted:

A chart illustrating the highest temperature seen throughout the month of June going back 80 years for Kotelny Island which borders both the East Siberian and Laptev Seas (where all that undersea permafrost is). The highest peak on record was hit this past month, 4C higher than any previous June.




lmao it owns that it's too late for nuclear to fix this

Background, I went into nuclear engineering very optimistic that public opinion and the trajectory of the industry was going to completely flip as more and more people became aware of the ongoing crisis.

It was a long journey of discovery to find out that It Didn't Have To Be This Way.

It was possible, somewhere in the mid 70s or so, that if we as civilization had made a massive collective switch to nuclear, the worst could have been avoided. Now I'm several years into a paid graduate position supposedly studying radiolytic efficiencies in novel environments and it's like, why bother? This would have been good to do in the sixties and seventies but now? I think I'll just go play Hell Let Loose.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

The Protagonist posted:

I think I'll just go play Hell Let Loose.

Totally agree with you on the other words but how are you finding 'hell let loose' ?
It looks good & am very tempted .

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

get this: seabed nuclear reactors! plenty of water, and if there's a problem, it just kills a bunch of weird-rear end fish

Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

One of the things that is concerning to me is that there are not more "the end is nigh" folks out on the streets.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Shifty Nipples posted:

One of the things that is concerning to me is that there are not more "the end is nigh" folks out on the streets.

they're on the internet now mate....

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

Shifty Nipples posted:

One of the things that is concerning to me is that there are not more "the end is nigh" folks out on the streets.

It doesn't pay well enough.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Shifty Nipples posted:

One of the things that is concerning to me is that there are not more "the end is nigh" folks out on the streets.

the problem is nigh is nebulous. some places will be more hosed than others more quickly, then some falling like dominoes thereafter. but there's no real 'ok 482 days from now, society collapses' like some donnie darko prophecy. the crazy evangelicalist types dont believe it because GOD wouldn't let it happen and will save us if it was really an issue, or they actually love it so they can all go rapture nuts.

XR is kinda that tho

Sing Along
Feb 28, 2017

by Athanatos
the lack of a clear deadline messes with people.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
everything i have seen of extinction rebellion makes it look like either an astroturf org or a pathetic joke

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!
Human measures of time do not correlate to geological time, in which it is super obvious where and how we're hosed (right now, completely)

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
It is a clear deadline, it's just that what's clear is it's literally a line where everything is dead on the other side of it.

Shifty Nipples posted:

One of the things that is concerning to me is that there are not more "the end is nigh" folks out on the streets.

They realized early that nobody's listening and nobody cares, which all the climate scientists have also now learned.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Trainee PornStar posted:

Totally agree with you on the other words but how are you finding 'hell let loose' ?
It looks good & am very tempted .

If this can be AOF's 'how-do-u-cook-vegtables-life-coaching' thread half the time I think I can take an aside on my own way of reality coping just to say-

I really loving dig the teamwork interactions when playing a tanker, provided you have decent, talkative teammates. Hunting, spotting and killing enemy armor when it's three of you all crammed in with tiny windows on the outside world screaming and hooting at each other knowing everyone in the enemy tank is doing the same and then coming out the other side alive is one of the more thrilling videogams moments I've had lately.

I could go on, like how the lack of a typical pvp kill feed, or how explosive death is an instant black screen, makes it all the more immersive. I'd do that in the games thread, but there doesn't seem to be an active one? A shame.

Anyway hedonistic distractions until inevitable death forever :dukedog:

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://synbiobeta.com/could-carbon-sequestration-be-the-future-of-agriculture/

quote:

Biochar is a stable, carbon-rich solid. Its porous structure makes it highly effective in retaining water and water-soluble nutrients. When mixed with earth, it becomes ideal living quarters for soil microorganisms. Not only does biochar promote microorganism activity, it has also been shown to reduce nutrient leaching and soil acidity. And because it retains water and nutrients, it can also reduce irrigation and fertilizer demands.

Biochar isn’t just good for soil-health. It can significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions emitted from soil, particularly methane, which is 30 times more heat-trapping than CO2. And because it is so stable, biochar can stay in the soil for hundreds to thousands of years, sequestering carbon and maintaining long-term soil fertility. Multiple studies and analyses have examined biochar’s promise for climate change mitigation. Experts estimate the biochar market will be worth $2.6 billion by 2023.

All of these little technologies or going to add up, and we're going to defeat climate change, just like we defeated the Nuclear Crisis, and a bunch of other poo poo. I honestly believe we can stop the world ending with all of these different technologies, and we have the money to do it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-idUSKCN1TQ31X

quote:

LONDON (Reuters) - Investors managing more than $34 trillion in assets, nearly half the world’s invested capital, are demanding urgent action from governments on climate change, piling pressure on leaders of the world’s 20 biggest economies meeting this week.

e: I'm not going to stop posting hopeful news, I refuse to just accept that I, and everyone I love will be dead and there's no way to walk back from that. I will volunteer, protest, march, and fight. I haven't given up on the world and neither should you.

Turtlicious has issued a correction as of 21:19 on Jul 1, 2019

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
the antarctic lost as much ice in the last 4 years as the arctic has in the last 34, three times faster than the fastest ever recorded melting



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/01/precipitous-fall-in-antarctic-sea-ice-revealed

meanwhile republicans in oregon literally fled the state to deny quorum to democrats trying to pass a climate bill, and both the republican politicians and their supporters threatened to resist any attempts to make them return (so the elected democratic supermajority could do what they were elected to do) with armed violence

quote:

Earlier in the session, they did the same thing when faced with a bill raising taxes for education, and Democrats broke the deadlock by abandoning bills intended to limit exemptions to vaccination and introduce gun control measures.

But this time, Democrats looked set to call their bluff, triggering a sometimes shocking escalation in rhetoric as police were asked to bring the fleeing senators to heel. Senator Brian Boquist – a former special forces officer and the owner of a business that reportedly deployed “paramilitary force” in overseas conflicts – hinted he would violently resist arrest.

Boquist told reporters: “Send bachelors and come heavily armed. I’m not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It’s just that simple.”

Faced with the effort to stop the climate crisis bill, several armed rightwing groups said they would defend them. On Thursday, a convoy of logging trucks blocked the streets of the state capital, Salem, while hundreds of protesters – some sporting the insignia of patriot movement groups – demonstrated outside the state house against the climate crisis bill, despite the fact it was no longer even on the table.

Having killed the climate crisis bill, the Republican senators said they would return to their jobs on Saturday. “Our mission was to kill cap-and-trade,” said senator Herman Baertschiger “And that’s what we did.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/how-republican-senators-killed-oregons-climate-crisis-bill

humanity right now is a giant suicide cult and when someone politely suggests that maybe we shouldn't all commit suicide others threaten to murder them

Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

For the sake of clarity this is what I meant

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
World is a gently caress
Kill em all 2020s
874,918,940,018 DEAD HUMANS
I am climate change

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/450682-us-renewable-energy-production-surpasses-coal-for-first-time

quote:

Renewable energy production surpassed coal-fired generation for the first time in the U.S., according to the latest figures from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

Sources like wind and solar energy provided 23 percent of America’s electricity in April, compared to 20 percent from coal, the agency announced Wednesday.

Over 70% of the ice is still there, if we go green, and carbon sequestration works, than we can beat this. Also Siberia, and the northern parts of Russia will be verdant and green if ice melt continues. We shouldn't forget there was once Jungles on the northern ice caps.

Turtlicious has issued a correction as of 21:32 on Jul 1, 2019

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

The Protagonist posted:

If this can be AOF's 'how-do-u-cook-vegtables-life-coaching' thread half the time I think I can take an aside on my own way of reality coping just to say-

I really loving dig the teamwork interactions when playing a tanker, provided you have decent, talkative teammates. Hunting, spotting and killing enemy armor when it's three of you all crammed in with tiny windows on the outside world screaming and hooting at each other knowing everyone in the enemy tank is doing the same and then coming out the other side alive is one of the more thrilling videogams moments I've had lately.

I could go on, like how the lack of a typical pvp kill feed, or how explosive death is an instant black screen, makes it all the more immersive. I'd do that in the games thread, but there doesn't seem to be an active one? A shame.

Anyway hedonistic distractions until inevitable death forever :dukedog:

Cheers.. I think I might be sold.
Sounds like its got that 'zip, zip, thunk & your dead, WTF?' vibe going on :)

anyways derail over, back to the doom & gloom.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Turtlicious posted:

e: I'm not going to stop posting hopeful news, I refuse to just accept that I, and everyone I love will be dead and there's no way to walk back from that.

this was going to happen anyway

now it's just going to happen faster, to everyone and everything on the planet, near-simultaneously and forever

Maha
Dec 29, 2006
sapere aude

vyelkin posted:

the antarctic lost as much ice in the last 4 years as the arctic has in the last 34, three times faster than the fastest ever recorded melting



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/01/precipitous-fall-in-antarctic-sea-ice-revealed

meanwhile republicans in oregon literally fled the state to deny quorum to democrats trying to pass a climate bill, and both the republican politicians and their supporters threatened to resist any attempts to make them return (so the elected democratic supermajority could do what they were elected to do) with armed violence


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/how-republican-senators-killed-oregons-climate-crisis-bill

humanity right now is a giant suicide cult and when someone politely suggests that maybe we shouldn't all commit suicide others threaten to murder them

Outside of the first world they follow through on the threats :tipshat:

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Oxxidation posted:

everything i have seen of extinction rebellion makes it look like either an astroturf org or a pathetic joke

pathetic joke it might be but it’s definitely not astroturfing.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Oxxidation posted:

this was going to happen anyway

now it's just going to happen faster, to everyone and everything on the planet, near-simultaneously and forever

lol no it won't, we're already making huge changes, and new technologies keep coming out. Half the world may die, I may die, but we're going to move the needle enough so that some day, some people, somewhere will manage to live.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

General Dog posted:

No I'm fine with money, it's just the only meaningul thing I have to do

Sitting around the house smoking weed is more meaningful then anything you do at work, unless you're like, an EMT

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

Turtlicious posted:

lol no it won't, we're already making huge changes, and new technologies keep coming out. Half the world may die, I may die, but we're going to move the needle enough so that some day, some people, somewhere will manage to live.

A noble goal, but we get there by terminating bad practices, not doubling down on them with a veneer of eco-friendliness

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Car Hater posted:

A noble goal, but we get there by terminating bad practices, not doubling down on them with a veneer of eco-friendliness

Which we are doing, and many countries in the G20 have agreed to do. I'm 26 and I refuse to die in a global apocalypse. I'm going to die at 85 surrounded by my family and friends, and if there is a final account, St. Peter / Buddha / Anubis will know I didn't just sit back and let the apocalypse happen. I fought for the right things and I never gave up hope that humanity could do better.

Weight my heart against a feather you fucks, I'm ready to try and save the world.

e: Even if someone has to go pipe bomb some methane emitting cows, or gently caress up an oil pipeline.

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The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
Do an ecoterrorism do it

e; lol jk ofc :)

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Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If I was planning to do an eco terrorism, I wouldn't post about it online, I'm not a school shooter, people actually give a poo poo when you say you're going to attack capitalism.

https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2019/06/04/heathrow-eco-terorrists/

quote:

Climate change protestors have warned that they will shut down London Heathrow for one day in June and 10 days in July using drones unless the airport abandons plans for a runway expansion.

https://expo.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/08/3cc02205f06447/ecoterrorism-in-the-west-a-who.html

quote:

Prosecutors said they torched a slaughterhouse, logging trucks, SUVS at a car dealership, ranger stations, a government lab and the biggest target, a $12 million arson at a ski resort in Vail, Colo., then the most destructive act of eco-sabotage in U.S. history.

Turtlicious has issued a correction as of 21:49 on Jul 1, 2019

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Turtlicious posted:

lol no it won't, we're already making huge changes, and new technologies keep coming out. Half the world may die, I may die, but we're going to move the needle enough so that some day, some people, somewhere will manage to live.

Phew!! that's a relief... stupid me thought things were going to get a bit rough for a while..

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Turtlicious posted:

e: I'm not going to stop posting hopeful news, I refuse to just accept that I, and everyone I love will be dead and there's no way to walk back from that. I will volunteer, protest, march, and fight. I haven't given up on the world and neither should you.
You go right on ahead man. Just understand that we're going to need, bare minimum not-including-inputs, 4x more cargo transport capacity and probably more like 10x+ to be moving all this neat new soil stuff around. Just the soil. At the same time that we need to expand mineral production and processing of basically everything but especially rare earths 3-4x to replace all our infrastructure and ICE. And while we're doing that, we also need to be actively cutting emissions. Like, emitting less than are now with an order of magnitude or more less infrastructure and cargo moving around than we need to have to make all this happen.

While the third world continues to develop. Which will add more than I just discussed all on its own. While we're mitigating all the disasters. While we're losing small countries probably in the next few years. You know, like accounts-for-8% or more-of-global-GDP India. Did I say small countries? I meant huge ones. We're going to lose huge countries. I don't mean lose as in they take GDP hits I mean lose as in they run out of water.

Which means we have to dump resources into fighting numbers-go-down instead of infrastructure building because god forbid that happens when the world is built around numbers-go-up.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

Turtlicious posted:

Which we are doing, and many countries in the G20 have agreed to do. I'm 26 and I refuse to die in a global apocalypse. I'm going to die at 85 surrounded by my family and friends, and if there is a final account, St. Peter / Buddha / Anubis will know I didn't just sit back and let the apocalypse happen. I fought for the right things and I never gave up hope that humanity could do better.

Weight my heart against a feather you fucks, I'm ready to try and save the world.

e: Even if someone has to go pipe bomb some methane emitting cows, or gently caress up an oil pipeline.

Hahaha we are definitely not doing, I refused at 26 and shouted my drat fool head off and annoyed all sorts of Congresscritters, including one of the new members that is furthest left. I am now 30, and we are going extinct. People cannot comprehend the level of sacrifice now necessary. The only way you're going to die at 85 with your family and friends is if you all happen to survive the mass cullings and global enslavement in the first 50 years of the multi-generational exclusively-focused-on-tree-planting ecostalinist order.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Turtlicious posted:

e: Even if someone has to go pipe bomb some methane emitting cows, or gently caress up an oil pipeline.

Steady there cowboy!! previous threads got banned for this...

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Turtlicious posted:

Which we are doing, and many countries in the G20 have agreed to do. I'm 26 and I refuse to die in a global apocalypse. I'm going to die at 85 surrounded by my family and friends, and if there is a final account, St. Peter / Buddha / Anubis will know I didn't just sit back and let the apocalypse happen. I fought for the right things and I never gave up hope that humanity could do better.

Weight my heart against a feather you fucks, I'm ready to try and save the world.

Everyone around me ignores me, my family only wants to control me. I have no destructive desires other than sitting idly and doing nothing because at least that does not make things worse. I spread my bleak views anonymously in the hopes that one day there will be enough critical mass to create mass euthanasia clinics where I can just walk in and everyone who knows me will understand my point of view for once in their lives and be happy for me instead of being sad that they can no longer count on my presence that they can no longer bully or take for granted. And if there is any sort of God, I will only accept Them if they get on their knees and tearfully apologize to me.

BTW, I did get that Instant Pot. Waiting for it to arrive.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Then maybe instead of sitting at home smoking weed and weeping about the end times. You go out there and you change the loving world, maybe we lose a few million or billion, but maybe we can save a few people. Maybe we can slow it down, so it's not just the end of everything. Maybe people will quote this at me in 10 years with a hearty lol as the internet cuts out and we all aspirate on black flies coating the wet parts of our body. I don't know, but I refuse to do nothing, and I refuse to wallow about it.

The new soil stuff is just microbes, this is my wife's field. You get a little jar of germs that you put in the soil that does all the hard work for you.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

AceOfFlames posted:

Everyone around me ignores me, my family only wants to control me. I have no destructive desires other than sitting idly and doing nothing because at least that does not make things worse. I spread my bleak views anonymously in the hopes that one day there will be enough critical mass to create mass euthanasia clinics where I can just walk in and everyone who knows me will understand my point of view for once in their lives and be happy for me instead of being sad that they can no longer count on my presence that they can no longer bully or take for granted. And if there is any sort of God, I will only accept Them if they get on their knees and tearfully apologize to me.

BTW, I did get that Instant Pot. Waiting for it to arrive.

Did you know it's against the rules for me to tell you to "Go do EcoTerrorism you wallowing gently caress." Sad but true, I can not , on these forums tell you "To Go Do EcoTerrorism you loving coward."

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Turtlicious posted:

lol no it won't, we're already making huge changes, and new technologies keep coming out. Half the world may die, I may die, but we're going to move the needle enough so that some day, some people, somewhere will manage to live.

the year is 2445
in the luxurious jungles on the slopes of what was once called vatnajökull, the last tribe of men on earth are tracking a herd of wild sheep
nothing is left of the former cities of iceland, all of them swallowed by the rising seas

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Turtlicious posted:

Did you know it's against the rules for me to tell you to "Go do EcoTerrorism you wallowing gently caress." Sad but true, I can not , on these forums tell you "To Go Do EcoTerrorism you loving coward."

I cant believe I'm defending Aof....

I've been struggling with depression & can see Aof is clearly depressed as gently caress. That sort of talk will get nowhere & make him feel even more isolated... so basically gently caress off with that poo poo you oval office!

*edit*
btw.. AoF good job on giving the instant pots a go, baby steps mate :)

Trainee PornStar has issued a correction as of 22:09 on Jul 1, 2019

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Trainee PornStar posted:

I cant believe I'm defending Aof....

I've been struggling with depression & can see Aof is clearly depressed as gently caress. That sort of talk will get nowhere & make him feel even more isolated... so basically gently caress off with that poo poo you oval office!

the manic meets the depressive, here in the climate doomsday thread Monday, Monday, MONDAY

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


when was the last time you hosed, ace of flames

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Nov 4, 2009

Turtlicious posted:

You go out there and you change the loving world, maybe we lose a few million or billion,



Turtlicious posted:

I'm going to die at 85 surrounded by my family and friends,

the self-righteous always expect others to sacrifice for them

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