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The Sunny episode that probably aged the worst is the one where Dennis gets a cell phone and won't stop ooh-ing and ahh-ing at it. Actually any episode of anything featuring a new technology is going to age badly.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:The Sunny episode that probably aged the worst is the one where Dennis gets a cell phone and won't stop ooh-ing and ahh-ing at it. There is an episode of Corner Gas where a few characters get into a pissing contest about how small their new phones are, only to change their mind at the end and start wanting larger and larger phones. It's aged relatively well.
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Jul 10, 2019 03:14
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The episode of Frasier where Niles rides a Segway around everywhere, and everyone thinks it's amazing and cool and they want to try it.
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Jul 10, 2019 03:18
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somepartsareme posted:The episode of Frasier where Niles rides a Segway around everywhere, and everyone thinks it's amazing and cool and they want to try it. Niles is definitely the only kind of customer who actually bought a Segway so that part aged pretty well.
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Jul 10, 2019 03:25
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Don Gato posted:Niles is definitely the only kind of customer who actually bought a Segway so that part aged pretty well. And I don't want to own a segway, but I would want to try one if the opportunity made itself available to me, so that also checks out.
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Jul 10, 2019 03:30
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Casey Finnigan posted:Making them absolute losers works pretty well for aging the show, too. You're not surprised when you go back to an episode from like 2007 and there's a lovely joke that aged really poorly. Well yeah, they're all the worst people on the planet, it's not that surprising that they suck. Plus, no idiot is gonna see someone like Dennis and think, "hey actually he's kinda cool" the way they do for characters like Cartman. Dennis is an egotistical, sociopathic waste of space who's also pretty stupid, and that's how he acts, and that's how he's treated by the world around him. It's not like going back to Friends, seeing Ross flipping out like a child because his ex-girlfriend ended up with a woman, and being like "wow this character is supposed to be relatable?" They're scum and almost single-handedly responsible for the return of vicious antisemitism and the public murder of jews. They're the kind of pampered white boys who think that every social problem is solved because they've never been inconvenienced and who think it's funny to say the n-word because it can't hurt them, just eternally high school juniors giggling their way through lunch.
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Jul 10, 2019 04:04
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:They're scum and almost single-handedly responsible for the return of vicious antisemitism and the public murder of jews. They're the kind of pampered white boys who think that every social problem is solved because they've never been inconvenienced and who think it's funny to say the n-word because it can't hurt them, just eternally high school juniors giggling their way through lunch. I'm pretty sure this is the second time I've seen this claim in this thread (maybe even from you): I'm going to be honest, I lost interest in South Park about a season or two in, but how exactly were they almost single-handedly responsible for this?
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Jul 10, 2019 04:15
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If Frasier was still on today, there would definitely be an episode where Niles gets caught up with a Bird scooter gang in Seattle
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Jul 10, 2019 04:25
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm pretty sure this is the second time I've seen this claim in this thread (maybe even from you): I'm going to be honest, I lost interest in South Park about a season or two in, but how exactly were they almost single-handedly responsible for this? Well I don't know if I would say it was single-handedly responsible for a rise in antisemitism, but I'd say it definitely played a role. Basically, one of the running things in the show is that Cartman and Kyle's interactions go like this: Cartman will say something like, "Hey, Kyle, you stupid Jew" and Kyle will respond with, "gently caress you, fatass." That basically sums up the vast majority of the interactions between two of the three main speaking characters in the show, and it usually goes down pretty much exactly like that. Like, the boys will be hanging out interacting normally with respect to whatever plot is going on, and Cartman will just randomly insult Kyle for being Jewish about 50% of the time if they're both in a scene together. Cartman is pretty much the main comedic character and Kyle and Stan are the more-or-less interchangeable straight men who end episodes with lectures. Cartman is also typically the one who drives the action and Stan and Kyle usually react to him, so most viewers tend to enjoy Cartman and empathize with him. So, you know, since I was a kid in middle school when South Park was huge, and one of the only Jewish kids in the school, this amounted to a lot of "Hey, Casey, you stupid Jew." You know, most of the kids didn't even know any Jewish stereotypes or why they were supposed to say that, they just knew that it was funny when Cartman said it. Eventually some people I knew would do more straightforwardly antisemitic poo poo and get into more straightforwardly antisemitic beliefs and it's hard to deny they were primed for it by South Park. But you know, there were other factors too, the worst antisemite I ever knew hated me for... religious reasons or something, I don't know, he was a truly strange guy and now he's a cop  By senior year in high school I'd say the vast majority of people had grown out of it, besides total losers. By then I'd long since given up on watching South Park to try to "get" it. The public schools I went to only had like three Jews in them, including me, but I actually lived pretty close to a really Jewish high school (the one my mom went to). I bet things would have been pretty different if I went to school there, I guess.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm pretty sure this is the second time I've seen this claim in this thread (maybe even from you): I'm going to be honest, I lost interest in South Park about a season or two in, but how exactly were they almost single-handedly responsible for this? By priming white shitposters to think of antisemitism as something outrageous and funny, to be used with ironic intent because it is so funny. Real nazis saw that going on and decided to slide in and radicalize them all. I know it sounds like I’m sweatily ranting in front of a cork board with pictures and cut-up newspaper headlines connected by differently colored strings, but who else 1999-2009ish was pushing antisemitism as a gag? Edgelords didn’t lean into that poo poo at all until the end of the Bush years. South Park is the blueprint for internet nihilism and its ambiguous irony. It probably was me saying this before as well as it’s kind of a fixation of mine. I know antisemitism is long-lived and periodically intensifies, but you have to admit 4chan owes a lot to the scripts they set.
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Jul 10, 2019 04:48
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:By priming white shitposters to think of antisemitism as something outrageous and funny, to be used with ironic intent because it is so funny. Real nazis saw that going on and decided to slide in and radicalize them all. My little brother is ginger and apparently had a hell of a time in highschool. I also had reddish hair and freckles, and I went to the same highschool and it was never even a thing. Ginger hatred wasn't a thing in the US until South Park.
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Jul 10, 2019 05:10
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^^^Edit - yep, there we go. Hell, didn't they even bring back making GBS threads on red heads? No one even cared before South Park made it a punchline. Antifa Turkeesian posted:They're scum and almost single-handedly responsible for the return of vicious antisemitism and the public murder of jews. They're the kind of pampered white boys who think that every social problem is solved because they've never been inconvenienced and who think it's funny to say the n-word because it can't hurt them, just eternally high school juniors giggling their way through lunch. Yeah, this is my opinion of them, too. "Freedom of speech!" from the mouths of straight white guys is always just dressed-up bigotry because they're never the ones who suffer. Then there's their whole "truth is in the middle" spiel which conflated tolerance with bigotry over and over and over.
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Jul 10, 2019 05:12
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“South Park influenced the alt-right” is reasonable. “South Park is directly responsible for people shooting up synagogues” is insane and reductive as poo poo. Anti-Semitism has existed as long as Judaism. The entire loving history of Jewishness is defined by who sought to eradicate us in what place and at what time. Jews are at the center of every major conspiracy. People who intend to commit massacres aren't doing it because they watched a cartoon. Antifa Turkeesian posted:I know it sounds like I’m sweatily ranting in front of a cork board with pictures and cut-up newspaper headlines connected by differently colored strings, but who else 1999-2009ish was pushing antisemitism as a gag? Edgelords didn’t lean into that poo poo at all until the end of the Bush years. Borat, to name one other example of pop culture written by a Jewish guy and then twisted by dumbass high schoolers. Henchman of Santa has a new favorite as of 06:43 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 06:12
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I did grow up Jewish in Israel, so it didn't have that effect, but I see what you all mean. That reminds me of another one of their works: Team America: World Police. Seems like an obvious, on-the-nose send up of American foreign policy under Bush, right? Well, I was talking to this South Asian-American guy, and he said he hated the movie, because it came out when he was still in school, and after that a lot of the other kids would call him "Durka Durka".
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Jul 10, 2019 12:13
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I did grow up Jewish in Israel, so it didn't have that effect, but I see what you all mean. Team America's primary message - which they made explicit at the end, because they're hacks - is that yeah, America/American militarism is jingoistic/chaotic/etc, but it is also fundamentally necessary. And if you oppose imperialism then you're a pathetic weedy stupid libtard. It's a send up of American foreign policy, but a loving one. It's just as lovely as any of their other work.
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Jul 10, 2019 12:18
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It was tough to initially pinpoint South Park's politics because they'd insult Al Gore and then Bush. In the end it was some weird Libertarian mix that was more rear end in a top hat than most Libertarians already are. Edgelord Libertarian if you will. That's great when you're an angsty teenager*, it gets less great the older you get. *not great if you're the target of the humor.
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Jul 10, 2019 12:30
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:The Sunny episode that probably aged the worst is the one where Dennis gets a cell phone and won't stop ooh-ing and ahh-ing at it. Almost every popular TV show in the early-mid 2010s had all the characters using Windows phones instead of iPhones or Androids, because Microsoft was pushing hard to try to make Windows phones happen. It was weird when these shows actually aired because nobody ever used a Windows phone, and it's going to be even weirder looking back at it. Windows phones were great and I had a bunch of them, but there was zero mainstream market for them
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Jul 10, 2019 13:03
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Beachcomber posted:My little brother is ginger and apparently had a hell of a time in highschool. I also had reddish hair and freckles, and I went to the same highschool and it was never even a thing. Ginger hatred wasn't a thing in the US until South Park. The phrase "beaten like a redheaded stepchild" predates South Park by a long way.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:06
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Jedit posted:The phrase "beaten like a redheaded stepchild" predates South Park by a long way. That's true, but I never heard anyone use the term "ginger" as a slur until after south park. In the true "privileged white male" tradition, I never really gave it any thought to it being bad until reading it in this thread as it didn't effect me.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:12
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Jedit posted:The phrase "beaten like a redheaded stepchild" predates South Park by a long way. I'm pretty sure hating redheads was a British thing that was coded Anti-semitism, and Anti-Irish, (Celts and Jews being the two groups most likely to have red hair.) that Americans didn't understand until South Park brought it over and made it ironic.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:18
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AFewBricksShy posted:That's true, but I never heard anyone use the term "ginger" as a slur until after south park. In the true "privileged white male" tradition, I never really gave it any thought to it being bad until reading it in this thread as it didn't effect me. Not as a slur but like you never knew why they called her Ginger Spice? In fact looking back on it all the names they gave the Spice Girls were kinda mean. Iirc some magazine gave them those names and they ran with it. With the exception of Posh who they named Sexy Spice and she went with the other instead.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:20
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Yes, as someone who is British, ginger was definitely an insult when I was at primary and secondary school twenty odd years ago. It has always been an insult over here.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:21
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And now I'm suddenly remembering the Cartoon Network promo for Garlic Jr and the Spice Boys. As an appellated name for a filler villain's mook squad that's actually pretty much perfect especially given DBZ's goofy sense of humour.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:25
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Koalas March posted:Not as a slur but like you never knew why they called her Ginger Spice? In fact looking back on it all the names they gave the Spice Girls were kinda mean. I knew that ginger was a term that British people used to refer to red heads, I just never heard anyone in the states use it (outside of the aforementioned Spice Girl) much less use it as a slur. I'm not saying no one in the US ever used it before south park, but at least where I grew up it really wasn't used.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:27
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Did Southpark come up with the part about gingers having no soul or was that already canon in the Catholic church?
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Jul 10, 2019 13:33
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I can't tell if you are being serious or not.
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Jul 10, 2019 13:36
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Koalas March posted:Iirc some magazine gave them those names and they ran with it. With the exception of Posh who they named Sexy Spice and she went with the other instead. I remember the magazine in question as I had a copy of it (Top of the Pops Magazine from about September 96) - Victoria was Posh Spice from the start. IIRC Sexy Spice was something which originated in the US, and given to Geri...
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Jul 10, 2019 14:00
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It definitely wasn't just South Park in the mid to late 90s that were ragging on redheads. Other things were just more subtle about it. A disproportionate amount of redheads were shown in media as bullies or general problem children, that I can recall.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:00
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Like a lot of racism in the US in the 90's, it just got baked into the culture so thoroughly that we stipped noticing it was there.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:09
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lemonadesweetheart posted:I can't tell if you are being serious or not. Honest question. And looking it up it appears to be a SouthPark thing, but some people claimed it was the Catholic church back when Vikings were a thing.
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Koalas March posted:Not as a slur but like you never knew why they called her Ginger Spice? In fact looking back on it all the names they gave the Spice Girls were kinda mean. Always thought it was weird that the black one is Scary Spice. Also Spiceworld was on mute at a bar I was at recently and from what I could tell it’s the most insane movie ever made?
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Jul 10, 2019 14:24
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Ginger Spice is kind of redundant.Henchman of Santa posted:Always thought it was weird that the black one is Scary Spice. Pretty much, yeah. I got the impression it's basically an extended series of music videos with the very late 90s/pre-9/11 00s total void of self-awareness.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:26
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Ginger Spice is kind of redundant. It’s definitely one of the most pre-9/11 movies I can think of, though I don’t know how that affected British movies.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:29
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Spice World is many things, but "a total void of self-awareness" is not one of them
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Jul 10, 2019 14:30
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Zaroff posted:I remember the magazine in question as I had a copy of it (Top of the Pops Magazine from about September 96) - Victoria was Posh Spice from the start. That so weird! Anyway tbf aside from playing Viva Forever on the piano I haven't paid attention to the Spice Girls since I was a tween lmao I did in fact see Spice World in theatres as a kid and it was absolutely fun and bonkers
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It's not a good film, even in the so-bad-its-good stakes. Arguably it's self aware, but along the lines that it knows it's a terrible, cash-in film and doesn't attempt to cover it up. Back on the ginger thing, in the UK it seems to be a joke that people also take seriously while maintaining it's a joke. Like I've heard several British guys say: "I was unpopular at school. Not as unpopular as the ginger kid but ..."
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purple death ray posted:Spice World is many things, but "a total void of self-awareness" is not one of them I agree. The Spice Girls movie is to me one of the best affectionate piss takes ever. Everyone is in on the joke, everyone is having fun, all the barbs are good natured. I am a grown arse man, and I unironically enjoy the experience of watching that movie.
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Jul 10, 2019 14:43
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The biggest % of people with red hair is Scotland followed by Ireland. It's not really hard to understand why this may have lead to prejudice from the English.
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Is it just redhead dudes that catch hell in the UK, or is there an untapped reservoir of "undateable" redheaded women just sitting there?!
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purple death ray posted:The problem with an Archie Bunker type character is that if the show gets popular and runs long enough, the audience likes them, they inevitably become the good guys. Then the characters who are trying to make him less hateful become strawmen and punching bags for him to dunk on while the studio audience gives him a standing ovation. poo poo look at Cartman on South Park, the obnoxious nazi who then gets put on t-shirts and gets to say all the funny lines, and everyone forgets that he's supposed to be a shithead barely tolerated by his friends. Then screaming about killing Jews becomes this wacky thing that's just kids being kids. Pop Culture Detective did a good episode that covered part of this (the whole thing is good, the "normalizing" part starts around 7:00) https://youtu.be/1r3FkR5rziY Basically, if a main character is consistently written with bad traits (even if we are supposed to initially see them as wrong), then the fact that they do not grow or change, face no real consequences, and still have their friends who will vouch for how they are good despite those traits all serves to normalize these bad traits.
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