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qirex posted:I'd guess this company bought an online survey for tens of thousands of dollars from a workforce optimization consulting firm because the hiring managers kept loving up or the ceo took a 10 question online "iq test" 15 years ago and scored 150 Oh definitely, you could tell it was some "online IQ test" thing wrapped with some corporate-speak.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Yeah apparently for my position they only go for over-130 IQ people... which is definitely loving weird. They didn't tell me how I did either, lol. holy poo poo don't work there even if you get an offer
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Jul 9, 2019 17:03
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pathetic little tramp posted:Oh definitely, you could tell it was some "online IQ test" thing wrapped with some corporate-speak. I got one of these once only it was also bundled with a "personality quiz" which asked the weirdest questions like "are you friends with the opposite sex" and "are you lonely". I turned them down via email before I even bothered finishing it, there is no good job behind that thing.
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Captain Foo posted:holy poo poo don't work there even if you get an offer haha ah poo poo yeah I didn't even really think about what this means for the current staff - they're all going to be mensa weirdos aren't they fuuuuuuck me, yeah let's look someplace else
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Jul 9, 2019 17:13
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the problem is not youll be working with insufferable smart people the problem is that youll be working FOR incredibly stupid people
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Jul 9, 2019 17:19
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Jimbola posted:yeah i think the process needs to be reworked really. it seems that the recruitment flow here (UK) is: Yeah this is my experience for the UK too, sometimes the test is on site instead but take homes are quite common. From what other people have told me assessment centres are used by some of the bigger companies as well, I've never had that misfortune yet though.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:35
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We're in London and do a 1 hr onsite test, you have to really bomb it to not get an interview. I think that's reasonable. Anything much longer is harsh on the candidates as even if you do a good job, fulfilling the unknown "objective" assessment criteria on an open ended project is going to be moderately random.
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Jul 10, 2019 09:48
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"we want a senior profile experienced in k8s and muh containers". Get interviewed by some dunning-krugering dev, try to patiently and compassionately correct some of his incredibly incorrect beliefs about these things. "Oh sorry we think you don't know enough AWS." sure :v
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Private Speech posted:Yeah this is my experience for the UK too, sometimes the test is on site instead but take homes are quite common. From what other people have told me assessment centres are used by some of the bigger companies as well, I've never had that misfortune yet though. Hmm, my UK experience is usually - non-technical chat with HR person/internal recruiter; quick phone/Skype screen (an hour or so maybe) with questions to establish things like 'do I know how endianness works' or fizzbuzz or w/e; then in-person interview for half a day or so. I don't know if the fact that I'm not in London, or that I'm an experienced senior-level guy and not a newbie, make any difference here, though.
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feedmegin posted:Hmm, my UK experience is usually - non-technical chat with HR person/internal recruiter; quick phone/Skype screen (an hour or so maybe) with questions to establish things like 'do I know how endianness works' or fizzbuzz or w/e; then in-person interview for half a day or so. I don't know if the fact that I'm not in London, or that I'm an experienced senior-level guy and not a newbie, make any difference here, though. Could be, I only have a couple of years experience myself. Or it could just be anecdotal. For what it's worth companies without a lot of developers seemed better about it. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 17:15
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finished interview with a company yesterday. before the in person, I wrote ~3 pages towards a questionnaire (like ‘describe a project that pushed your comfort levels’ type stuff), quick phone screen, ~1 hr hacker rank problem. at the in person i white board diagrammed my current work project, talked about that + general interview stuff for 1 hr, followed that up with a 1 hr pairing session, iteratively coding up a solution to pass a test suite. seems like a lot of stuff to do having written it all out but it never felt too onerous and stretched over a month as I’ve been taking a lot of vacation. good vibes out to everyone playing the waiting game too 🤞🏼
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So after having the recruiter check my references, email me monday to tell me she will be emailing me tuesday, have that change into a call with the director of engineering, to having that call rescheduled to this afternoon. I came away with the information that the recruiter will be sending me an email tomorrow. seriously frustrated. i am going to get every penny i can in negotiation. director wanted to talk to make sure company and my vision for the role aligned, like i appreciate it but we went over this when we talked in person dawg.
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Frustration is temporary but figgies are forever (until they aren't) Anyway good luck
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after a couple rounds of interviews i was informed by hr that they are trying to secure funding for new projects before they make any hiring decisions. what the hell am i supposed to do with that information. feels like they wasted my time.
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barkbell posted:after a couple rounds of interviews i was informed by hr that they are trying to secure funding for new projects before they make any hiring decisions. what the hell am i supposed to do with that information. feels like they wasted my time. they made an offer to someone else, theyre waiting to see if he accepts/turns out okay but they want to keep you as a backup in case he turns them down/flakes so they concocted this story about hr funding to string you along just shrug, remember the title of this thread, and pound out another batch of applications
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Jul 11, 2019 05:27
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that also could be a diplomatic way of saying “the funding for this position was cut and the hiring manager is scrambling” either way not promising
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Shaggar posted:of course it did, otherwise it wouldn't be chili Just wanted to reply to this. Real chili has no beans.
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Ither posted:Just wanted to reply to this. there is no such thing as "real chili"
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texas has terrible barbecue and also they think chili should be a textureless flavourless meat paste, what a garbage state
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Is relocation just impossible these days? My company moved me to Florida and I just loving hate it here, but even with 12 years experience as a full stack I get to the phone interview and the conversation is just about how ridiculous it is to expect me to move. I'm not even getting to the tech interview these days because they don't want to move me. I've got to start lowering my price or explicitly saying I'm not expecting them to cover the move. I just can't take living in this fuckhole of a state anymore.
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Willzilla posted:finished interview with a company yesterday. before the in person, I wrote ~3 pages towards a questionnaire (like ‘describe a project that pushed your comfort levels’ type stuff), quick phone screen, ~1 hr hacker rank problem. at the in person i white board diagrammed my current work project, talked about that + general interview stuff for 1 hr, followed that up with a 1 hr pairing session, iteratively coding up a solution to pass a test suite. seems like a lot of stuff to do having written it all out but it never felt too onerous and stretched over a month as I’ve been taking a lot of vacation. good vibes out to everyone playing the waiting game too 🤞🏼 offer-chat: accepted @ 80k (having ~2 yr exp. in midwest) 
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pathetic little tramp posted:Is relocation just impossible these days? My company moved me to Florida and I just loving hate it here, but even with 12 years experience as a full stack I get to the phone interview and the conversation is just about how ridiculous it is to expect me to move. I'm not even getting to the tech interview these days because they don't want to move me. I've got to start lowering my price or explicitly saying I'm not expecting them to cover the move. I just can't take living in this fuckhole of a state anymore. This seems really weird to me, in my experience HR practically clacks its heels when you say you're open to relocation. Maybe let the issue sit until you're at the offer stage?
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Not a Children posted:This seems really weird to me, in my experience HR practically clacks its heels when you say you're open to relocation. Maybe let the issue sit until you're at the offer stage? That's been my experience before too. When I worked in Kentucky and San Diego, I got relocation offers. It's only ever since I've gotten to Florida. I literally replaced the part of my resume that shows my current location with Current Location | Available to Relocate. But I feel like maybe it's because I'm applying to jobs in New England - the talent pool that's closer has to be pretty robust.
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Ither posted:Just wanted to reply to this. that makes no sense. it cant be chili unless it has beans
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pathetic little tramp posted:Is relocation just impossible these days? My company moved me to Florida and I just loving hate it here, but even with 12 years experience as a full stack I get to the phone interview and the conversation is just about how ridiculous it is to expect me to move. I'm not even getting to the tech interview these days because they don't want to move me. I've got to start lowering my price or explicitly saying I'm not expecting them to cover the move. I just can't take living in this fuckhole of a state anymore. usually its only possible with larger companies. Does your current company have other offices to which they could move you?
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Shaggar posted:usually its only possible with larger companies. Does your current company have other offices to which they could move you? That was the problem in the first place, ha. My current company has moved me 3 times in the past 8 years. I'm kind of the guy they send to a place to whip a lagging project into shape and meet deadlines (not that you'd know it from looking at my salary). Now that I'm older I just want to settle down, but I don't want to settle down here.
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time to renegotiate your compensation package.
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pathetic little tramp posted:That's been my experience before too. When I worked in Kentucky and San Diego, I got relocation offers. It's only ever since I've gotten to Florida. I literally replaced the part of my resume that shows my current location with Current Location | Available to Relocate. I would just take location off of your resume altogether, and let the whole relocation thing be an incidental footnote when you apply. You want to get as far into the process as possible without digging into the details on that one. If you adequately entice them, your relocation should be an afterthought. If you're truly desperate to get out, you may end up having to eat that cost, unfortunately.
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dragon enthusiast posted:time to renegotiate your compensation package. Yeah that's another reason I'm out. My last increase didn't even cover my increased rent. At our reviews, which take place 3 months after merit increases because of course, I explained that I deserve a raise and they said "well we really want to, but that's a budget thing and we can't do that until October." I said that's bullshit, pressed the issue, but they just referred me to HR and HR said we can't do raises mid-year. So yeah, they could triple my salary at this point, it doesn't matter. The disrespect has rotted the relationship. I've been half-assing everything I do because they are just not paying for my whole rear end. It really doesn't help that most of my job is looking for problems in other peoples' code and you see the people getting paid more than you are not really meriting their level of pay. Today I'm looking at a piece of code that is used literally company-wide and what's the first line? var foo = eval(bar). I about poo poo myself.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Is relocation just impossible these days? My company moved me to Florida and I just loving hate it here, but even with 12 years experience as a full stack I get to the phone interview and the conversation is just about how ridiculous it is to expect me to move. I'm not even getting to the tech interview these days because they don't want to move me. I've got to start lowering my price or explicitly saying I'm not expecting them to cover the move. I just can't take living in this fuckhole of a state anymore. you probably need to talk to larger companies a FAANG or something that pretends they are one will happily move you to silicon valley, seatle, nyc, etc.
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Ither posted:Just wanted to reply to this. chili without beans is a meat sauce.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Yeah that's another reason I'm out. My last increase didn't even cover my increased rent. At our reviews, which take place 3 months after merit increases because of course, I explained that I deserve a raise and they said "well we really want to, but that's a budget thing and we can't do that until October." I said that's bullshit, pressed the issue, but they just referred me to HR and HR said we can't do raises mid-year. HR doesn't matter at all and your boss can get a raise thru if they wanted
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Sagebrush posted:chili without beans is a meat sauce. like skyline "chili" which is obviously not chili.
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Shaggar posted:HR doesn't matter at all and your boss can get a raise thru if they wanted
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HR exists so the company has plausible deniability
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Shaggar posted:HR doesn't matter at all and your boss can get a raise thru if they wanted Exactly. He's who I started with because I thought we had a professional enough relationship I could just point out the obvious, but he did this goose chase crap. It's about disrespect at this point. 12 years with this place and they're going to try to pull that poo poo with me. Just fuckin sucks and now I feel trapped.
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Shaggar posted:HR doesn't matter at all and your boss can get a raise thru if they wanted depends on the size of the company a bit but in general its true
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hr is the "cover your rear end" department its only important function is compliance
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