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Your guess is correct! Rapid mode is just ramdisk, and not even a safe or sophisticated one.
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Well, the good news is that I got the WD Blue refunded, and from looking in the computer, there's a free daisy-chain power cable plug in the system that I can use (though I need to cut out a zip-tie that's restricting it for it to reach). Now I just need to figure out what SSD to buy instead. I was thinking about the Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB (MZ-76E1T0B/AM), since the Samsung drives seem a bit higher rated in terms of quality, and the drive I've had my OS on since the computer was made is a Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500G. I Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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consider the mx500 too, which is at parity with or even exceeds the evo
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Binary Badger posted:For those of you who got in on the MicroCenter Inland Premiums or have any of the other Phison E12-based flavors.. Can confirm that it's non-destructive going from 12.2 to 12.3. I even had my Phison E12 NVME fully Bitlockered and it went fine. I was tentatively expecting some fuckery from Microsoft because the drive was reporting itself as a slightly dfferent device because I'd went from 12.2 to 12.3 but it was all good. These generic Phison E12's make a great combined boot/Steam drive, since you can get some good capacity for cheap. Time will tell if the wear levels on them are good but at the moment they are spot-on for a gaming rig. apropos man fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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ECFM 12.3 firmware has been released!
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Yeah, just tried it on a couple of Inland Premium 1 TBs, deffo not destructive as I can still boot from them. Updater says it needs Windows 10 but I used my trusty Windows 7 iron to do it.
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Max Wilco posted:Well, the good news is that I got the WD Blue refunded, and from looking in the computer, there's a free daisy-chain power cable plug in the system that I can use (though I need to cut out a zip-tie that's restricting it for it to reach). Nobody here likes Samsung EVOs anymore since they are always overpriced. MX500 is simply better in every single way including price
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Potato Salad posted:consider the mx500 too, which is at parity with or even exceeds the evo Palladium posted:Nobody here likes Samsung EVOs anymore since they are always overpriced. MX500 is simply better in every single way including price You mean this one? Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - CT1000MX500SSD1 The overall reviews for it look pretty solid, though the first couple of reviews listed cite problems with the cloning software and with the drive failing after about 3 months. I'm not planning to clone anything, but the drive failing is a bit worrying. Then again, I mainly intend to use the drive for installing games and whatnot, so I guess as long as I back up save files and such elsewhere, a failure wouldn't be too devastating. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Seamonster posted:how are you guys checking your Phison firmware versions? I have a sabrent drive if it matters. smartmontools or any SMART checking utilities does it for me, plus the updater will display your current firmware level before flashing.
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Max Wilco posted:You mean this one? Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - CT1000MX500SSD1 We bought a number of them at work, running in RAID5. They have been no problem about 6 months in. I think that the performance figures are similar to a Samsung EVO (r/w, cache size etc). The review about drive failing is maybe bad-luck or an Amazon reviewer who doesn't know what they're doing. I wouldn't hesitate to use one instead of an EVO (and I own a number of 850 EVO's myself). They're good drives and most consumer's on forums such as here with an MX500 regard them as a cheaper alternative to an EVO. I wouldn't worry. There's always a chance you'll get a bad one, same as any brand. When I go fully SSD for my home RAID I'll be looking at the MX500 as my primary storage choice. Unless there's a deal and the Samsungs are cheaper on Amazon at the time (which I doubt) then I will be grabbing some MX500's when the price point eventually matches what I have in mind - 2TB for around £100). They've been around long enough and AFAIK they're well respected drives. My spinning rust is on borrowed time. apropos man fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Max Wilco posted:You mean this one? Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - CT1000MX500SSD1 I have bought two 1 TB Crucial M500 and one 500 GB: These are great drives. If you want to clone anything, get Macrium Reflect (but that's true of any drive).
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Max Wilco posted:Well, the good news is that I got the WD Blue refunded I don't want to belabor the point but sending 12 volts to the wrong pin would have killed a Samsung drive too. Your WD drive didn't suffer from lack of quality, it suffered from magic smoke containment failure. Don't blame you for doing a refund on the WD since it's a pretty expensive lesson over modular cables that rear end in a top hat PSU companies make incompatible on purpose... but it might be good karma to buy another WD for them losing money on your killed return.
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One thing the MX500 has that the EVOs still don't is rudimentary power-loss protection. If you're not using a UPS, the MX500 is the way to go.
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How does the rudimentary power loss protection work? Does it contain it's own form of journalling, so that it will re-do anything just before a power loss? Or enough of a capacitor in it to flush the last remaining bits before powering down?
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apropos man posted:How does the rudimentary power loss protection work? the latter
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Klyith posted:I don't want to belabor the point but sending 12 volts to the wrong pin would have killed a Samsung drive too. Your WD drive didn't suffer from lack of quality, it suffered from magic smoke containment failure. I, uh, already ordered the MX500, but it did cross my mind to order another WD Blue. I dunno, though; I just didn't feel like it was wise to turn around and order the same kind of drive again. Mind you, I'm not swearing off WD for good (the HDD I have is WD, and it's worked fine in the time I've had it), I just thought to try something different. For reference, if I wanted to buy a new SATA power cord for the Corsair PSU, could I just buy any power cable made for a Corsair PSU, or would I need to buy one specific to the Corsair PSU model I have? Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Max Wilco posted:For reference, if I wanted to buy a new SATA power cord for the Corsair PSU, could I just buy any power cable made for a Corsair PSU, or would I need to buy one specific to the Corsair PSU model I have? Looks like Type 3 SATA is standard for all but the oldest models.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the latter Very interesting. Thanks Anime Schoolgirl for the answer and thanks BIG HEADLINE for bringing the subject up. I'm so looking forward to the end of this year, when I can replace the WD Reds with a pair of 2TB MX500's in ZFS mirror. I'd already had me eye on the Crucial because they are a known good drive but it's made me more interested in getting some. I have other things to spend money on until about November time. e: I don't know what I'm gonna do with the Reds when I'm finished with spinning drives. They've had full disk encryption on them and they are about 5 years old but still pass S.M.A.R.T tests with ease. Maybe format the encryption key and give them away. apropos man fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Is RAID 0 worth it with NVMe SSDs, specifically the Inland Premium 1TB? I'm thinking about getting a second and a RAID array appeals to me more for having one contiguous space to store things in Windows than for the speed (the drive is already super fast). If so, is it better to do it through RAIDXpert 2 on the motherboard than to let Windows handle it? pyrotek fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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What's your use case? You'd be doubling your theoretical OPs and bandwidth, but plenty of tests have show that typical home/gaming loads don't really benefit from nvme over SATA3 drives and the benefits really show under heavy database or virtualization load. I would generally advise against it since you're doubling your potential failure rate.
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pyrotek posted:Is RAID 0 worth it with NVME SSDs, specifically the Inland Premium 1TB? Not really, no.
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Mostly home/gaming, occasional video editing. I also have an old SATA SSD installed, so I could set up the old SSD as the OS drive and use the newer drive(s) for mass storage/games/work space for the video editing etc. if necessary. I also have USB hard drives that I could use for backup. I'd mostly like just to have them as one 2TB space.
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Be careful about the PCI lanes on your motherboard, specifically how they're provisioned. My ASRock B450 Pro4 cuts off the second GPU slot when you add the first NVMe drive. Then if you add a second NVMe drive, as I found out from experience, you lose access to the last 2 of your 8 SATA ports. It ain't worth it, in my opinion. Just use one NVMe for your host OS, unless you're running a Threadripper motherboard with poo poo-loads of PCI lanes to spare.
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A little while ago I upgraded the old intel 530 ssd in my laptop (a mac if it makes any difference). It stopped working with a usb adapter recently, so I plugged it into the sata port on my windows machine. It took a lot longer to boot (stuck on the post screen for a few minutes), when I opened disk manager it stuck on "connecting to virtual drive assistant" or something like that, and then bluescreened with DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE. Is the data likely to be practically irrecoverable or might there be a way to extract it? There is nothing essential on it so I don't want to pay much money or spend hours trying.
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Thought my OCZ/Toshiba RD400 was dying.. Recently started having problems with it not being detected on boot, or causing the machine to fail to come out of sleep. I had been using it on the included m.2 to PCIex adapter board since I got it. Well this board is not entirely 100% passive, it appears to have a small switching power regulator on it. I am guessing this might be failing because since putting the drive in my mobo's m.2 slot, my problems have all but disappeared. So yay!
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zhar posted:A little while ago I upgraded the old intel 530 ssd in my laptop (a mac if it makes any difference). It stopped working with a usb adapter recently, so I plugged it into the sata port on my windows machine. It took a lot longer to boot (stuck on the post screen for a few minutes), when I opened disk manager it stuck on "connecting to virtual drive assistant" or something like that, and then bluescreened with DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE. If you can get your hands on a working donor drive for cheap, you might be able to revive it by swapping out the controller board. It's a bit of a long-shot through and anything past that means sending it to a data recovery specialist for $$$. Backups man, gotta have them.
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pyrotek posted:Is RAID 0 worth it with NVMe SSDs, specifically the Inland Premium 1TB? I'm thinking about getting a second and a RAID array appeals to me more for having one contiguous space to store things in Windows than for the speed (the drive is already super fast). It doesn't help with anything. Protocol fulfilment by a single NVMe drive is not a bottleneck on non-hyperscaler systems, 8K raw editing, or torturously-intense and optimized databases. In some cases, a second NVMe device on a home user motherboard can result in lane splitting / multiplexing Setting up raid0 will often make things slow down as the home system must use additional control layers in the storage stack
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pyrotek posted:Mostly home/gaming, occasional video editing. I also have an old SATA SSD installed, so I could set up the old SSD as the OS drive and use the newer drive(s) for mass storage/games/work space for the video editing etc. if necessary. I also have USB hard drives that I could use for backup. Buy a 2tb drive and sell your 1tb? 2tb drives have a bit of a price premium to them but I feel that it'll be worth it to not mess with RAID.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:If you can get your hands on a working donor drive for cheap, you might be able to revive it by swapping out the controller board. It's a bit of a long-shot through and anything past that means sending it to a data recovery specialist for $$$. Thanks, I think the gamble is not worth the cost of the donor drive. I did back up the essential stuff, but there was some sensitive info on it. So, how does one securely dispose of a broken drive?
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zhar posted:Thanks, I think the gamble is not worth the cost of the donor drive. A drill and a hammer is the best and most practical way.
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zhar posted:Thanks, I think the gamble is not worth the cost of the donor drive. if the drive was functioning, you'd generally use whatever drive utility provided by the vendor assuming that the firmware supports secure erase. ssd's have the fun behavior of hiding some number of cells behind the firmware for wear leveling and long-term longevity. Some early drives didn't support secure erase so you'd overwrite all the disk blocks that the firmware would present, but then you'd have the reserve cells and their blocks get cycled back in to service and data that you thought was previously wiped starts turning back up. if you've only used the drive with bitlocker or some other drive encryption software, formatting should be more than sufficient since anything recoverable will be ciphertext and someone salvaging the drive won't have the key in your case with a non-functional drive, I'd crack it open and hit it with a hammer
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OK, no RAID 0! Thanks for your help, everybody.apropos man posted:Be careful about the PCI lanes on your motherboard, specifically how they're provisioned. The motherboard I have is specifically the X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI. Being an ITX board, it only has one GPU slot and 4 SATA ports. According to the manual, the front slot is "Integrated in the CPU" and the back is "Integrated in the Chipset". Will that difference effect performance in anyway? I don't think the number of PCI lanes should be a problem with an X570 motherboard. pyrotek fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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pyrotek posted:OK, no RAID 0! Thanks for your help, everybody. Yeah. An X570 should have plenty of lanes to spare. Excuse my assumption that you were using a run-of-the-mill motherboard. However, it'll still be worth checking out the manual. Mine actually tells you in the manual that if you use NVMe 1 you lose access to GPU2 and then if you fill both NVMe then not only have you lost GPU2 but also 2 of your SATA ports. I didn't realise this until I tried it in practice and then I flicked through the manual later and it was there, im black and white. I'd suggest checking out how the lanes are provisioned in your motherboard manual. You may be fine doing what you are asking.
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zhar posted:Thanks, I think the gamble is not worth the cost of the donor drive. First, grab a sander and grind off the top layer of each platter, Second, spear the platters with a titanium lance and hang them from a tree for 7 days and 7 nights, Third, snap each platter into 5 equal pieces, Fourth, take 5 jars of thermite and put the first piece of each platter into the first jar, the second into the second, and so on, Fifth, light the jars of thermite under a full moon, Sixth, take the ashes and mix them with butanone, Seventh, pour the mixture into a pentagram mold, and say these words seven times: "ATA secure erase, I summon thee, remove this data from the mortal realm" Last, crush the pentagram into fine powder and scatter it in the ocean. Your data will never be recovered
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VostokProgram posted:Last, crush the pentagram into fine powder and scatter it in the ocean. Your data will never be recovered I prefer a 223, but some people think a 9mm is cheaper.
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ilkhan posted:Well that much is true. You'd trust your data to that crap? .458 SOCOM or bust
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