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VostokProgram posted:You'd trust your data to that crap? .458 SOCOM or bust .458 Lott-a little bits
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I prefer a more sedicious approach. I keep a list of known peadophiles in my area. Obtaining information on them using a mixture of legal and illegal means. Then, when I've finished with a hard disk I just click format in Windows, head over to a paedophile's, knock on the door and offer them the disk for free. A week or two later and I assume that anything I had on that disk pales into comparison. I call it social steganography.
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apropos man posted:A week or two later and I assume that anything I had on that disk pales into comparison. I call it social steganography. "But your honor, apropos man gave me the drive!"
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I got the Crucial drive today. Plugged it in with the SATA III and one of the daisy-chain plugs from the in-use power cable, and it worked! Bless the machine spirits!  Got the drive formatted as MBR, and it looks like I can start adding files, so I guess I can start transferring over game installs and whatnot.
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Jul 24, 2019 04:43
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Seen it earlier in the thread, SSDs running Bitlocker. I understand the need/desire for encryption, but limiting SSD performance wholesales is an interesting choice, too. Too bad Windows 10 doesn't support automounting of virtual disks on its own (you can create and attach them in Disk Manager, without needing the Hyper-V stuff installed), because that's a nice compromise. I'm running a Bitlocker VHDX as "safe storage".
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Jul 25, 2019 20:15
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Combat Pretzel posted:Seen it earlier in the thread, SSDs running Bitlocker. I understand the need/desire for encryption, but limiting SSD performance wholesales is an interesting choice, too. Too bad Windows 10 doesn't support automounting of virtual disks on its own (you can create and attach them in Disk Manager, without needing the Hyper-V stuff installed), because that's a nice compromise. I'm running a Bitlocker VHDX as "safe storage". Don't a lot of SSDs come with native hardware-based encryption that'll make the performance impact of stuff like bitlocker negligible?
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Geemer posted:Don't a lot of SSDs come with native hardware-based encryption that'll make the performance impact of stuff like bitlocker negligible? That is the opal spec and, as you might expect from a hard drive manufacturers that have almost zero security training or discipline, is dogshit garbage that leaks key material all over the place and should not be used and actively disabled in favor of software encryption
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Jul 25, 2019 20:35
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:That is the opal spec and, as you might expect from a hard drive manufacturers that have almost zero security training or discipline, is dogshit garbage that leaks key material all over the place and should not be used and actively disabled in favor of software encryption Figures. I'd just hoped they'd got their act together after that report came out that blasted every single one of them for being terrible.
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Geemer posted:Don't a lot of SSDs come with native hardware-based encryption that'll make the performance impact of stuff like bitlocker negligible? With an eDrive/TCG Opal drive, there's no performance impact. Whether you trust the manufacturer's implementation is another question.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Seen it earlier in the thread, SSDs running Bitlocker. I understand the need/desire for encryption, but limiting SSD performance wholesales is an interesting choice, too. Too bad Windows 10 doesn't support automounting of virtual disks on its own (you can create and attach them in Disk Manager, without needing the Hyper-V stuff installed), because that's a nice compromise. I'm running a Bitlocker VHDX as "safe storage". The performance impact is simply not noticeable to me, and running unencrypted isn't an option.
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Isn't an option because job, or because paranoia?Lambert posted:With an eDrive/TCG Opal drive, there's no performance impact. Whether you trust the manufacturer's implementation is another question.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Isn't an option because job, or because paranoia? Most modern SSDs are always encrypted, even when you're not using eDrive. They absolutely can. Combat Pretzel posted:Isn't an option because job, or because paranoia? I don't want someone to be able to steal my data is the reason, so paranoia I guess?
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Lambert posted:Most modern SSDs are always encrypted, even when you're not using eDrive. They absolutely can. Also, seems I was off by a bunch of GB/s in how fast desktop CPUs do it.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Isn't an option because job, or because paranoia? Why would you say that? It’s not the ARM core doing the encryption, it’s a dedicated hardware block. Also it may surprise you to know that in virtually all SSDs made the past several years, the on-device encryption is on all the time. The only difference between enabling TCG Opal and not is whether the ssd attempts to secure the main encryption key. If security is enabled, to unlock the drive the host must provide a password which the drive hashes and salts to derive the Key Encryption Key, or KEK. The KEK is then used to decrypt the Drive Encryption Key (DEK), the key used to encrypt and decrypt user data. While Opal is off the drive just stores the DEK in clear text (no KEK) and auto unlocks itself on power up or wake from sleep. Encrypting all the time has real benefits, which is why they do it. One is fast secure erase: destroy all copies of the DEK and you’ve effectively destroyed all user data. Another is that the output of good crypto looks like random noise, and modern flash media is a sufficiently non ideal storage medium that this is desirable (less chance of long runs of 1s or 0s or other patterns that might be more error prone). E:f,b
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Move over RGB SSDs, there's a new God in town https://www.tomshardware.com/news/team-group-cardea-liquid-cooled-m.2-nvme-ssd,40016.html
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Like What? How does that help cooling other than increase specific heat capacity marginally instead of dumping it?? Please use our special sauce not tap or distilled water. Point for not being the SSD that cooks itself with the RGB turned on....
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Fun fact: nand runs better at elevated temperatures due to the way it needs to do quantum tunneling It's the controller that needs heat removed
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Combat Pretzel posted:Isn't an option because job, or because paranoia? I believe they generally have a hardware xor engine if they're opal drives Malcolm XML posted:Fun fact: nand runs better at elevated temperatures due to the way it needs to do quantum tunneling They were also playing with embedding heating elements in the nand chips because if you sufficiently heat cell that's reached its write endurance you can refresh is back to a usable state BangersInMyKnickers fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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Jul 26, 2019 03:43
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Malcolm XML posted:Fun fact: nand runs better at elevated temperatures due to the way it needs to do quantum tunneling So basically you should just put a Raspberry Pi heatsink on the controller chip of most SSDs and leave the NAND untouched so it heats itself to health? So this liquid cooled SSD is technically bullshit for cooling down all the chips, not just the controller?
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No, the idea is you want the controller heat to be transferred to the NAND. More of a heat spreader, than a heat sink. Liquid cooling is fine but probably way over-engineered.
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Binary Badger posted:So basically you should just put a Raspberry Pi heatsink on the controller chip of most SSDs and leave the NAND untouched so it heats itself to health? So this liquid cooled SSD is technically bullshit for cooling down all the chips, not just the controller? monsterzero posted:No, the idea is you want the controller heat to be transferred to the NAND. More of a heat spreader, than a heat sink. The Adata SSDs that I like (or at least specifically the SX8200) come with a simple heat spreader specifically for that purpose. The performance and price are good and the free heat spreader in the package is a nice touch on top of that.
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Binary Badger posted:So this liquid cooled SSD is technically bullshit Like many products targeted at Xtreme Gamers, it's 90% bullshit based on something that is true but only matters in benchmarks. Controller throttling from overheating is not a constant problem in real world situations, and definitely isn't worth putting a waterblock on the SSD for.
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Absolutely need a liquid-cooled SSD so World of Warcraft Classic can stream in Ragnaros in Molten Core as fast as possible.
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coke posted:https://www.cinema5d.com/whats-inside-a-red-mini-mag-the-controversy-jarred-lands-statement/ He's not a tech bro. More like a tech dad with smug Oakleys on. This guys videos are getting weirder. Trying to simplify some basic computer concepts seems to have made the message harder to interpret but whatever. Looks like this guy is going to take Red to the grave if he has to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osWtyplOMKA
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Klyith posted:Like many products targeted at Xtreme Gamers, it's 90% bullshit based on something that is true but only matters in benchmarks. Controller throttling from overheating is not a constant problem in real world situations, and definitely isn't worth putting a waterblock on the SSD for. Don't underestimate the desire of manchilds to become the next LTT
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Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe 3.0 is $84.99 today only at NewEgg with promo code EMCTCVE22
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Jul 29, 2019 09:22
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BobHoward posted:Also it may surprise you to know that in virtually all SSDs made the past several years, the on-device encryption is on all the time. Its not just SSDs... Some external hardrive brands (WD in particular) use encryption on-board the USB-SATA adapter inside the drive casing, even if it was not specifically enabled. So if this adapter board dies, your data on the still working hardisk is now inaccessible.
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I wouldn't trust the on drive encryption. https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/395981/
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Palladium posted:Don't underestimate the desire of manchilds to become the next LTT LTT made an SSD RAID array that was so rear end-backwards that he needed professional recovery services from single failures. Being LTT seems like a low bar. Malcolm XML posted:I wouldn't trust the on drive encryption. https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/395981/ Don't trust on-drive encryption if you want to protect against the NSA, law enforcement, or people who can extract data directly off chips. I think it's pretty trustable for the average worry of protecting personal info in the event of a laptop being stolen or something like that. Also secure erase by deleting the key is still fine.
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Klyith posted:Don't trust on-drive encryption if you want to protect against the NSA, law enforcement, or people who can extract data directly off chips. I think it's pretty trustable for the average worry of protecting personal info in the event of a laptop being stolen or something like that. The key material can often be pulling from simple jtag commands. If you're deploying gear for business where your IP is valuable, it's worth thinking about as well. I'll agree that it doesn't matter too much for most instances of personal systems since the theft will be motivated by the value of the hardware itself and not whats on it, but this isn't a small step above script-kiddie level of difficulty.
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Klyith posted:LTT made an SSD RAID array that was so rear end-backwards that he needed professional recovery services from single failures. Being LTT seems like a low bar. I can't tell or bother to look up if LTT deliberately does dumb poo poo just for the attention it would get . They obviously know it does and I'm sure they have deliberately done stuff but how much of it is accidental vs purely contrived? I'm leaning towards contrived since there's no way his entire staff are that dumb. Linus: Here's a guy that knows fabrication and used to build dune buggies and poo poo LTT: shows dude making a heatsink that looks like cat food Linus: this is so cool it's the best we can do! 
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Malcolm XML posted:I wouldn't trust the on drive encryption. https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/395981/ I mean, the thing you linked to shows drives that are not affected by this specific issue and drives that are patched
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WhyteRyce posted:I mean, the thing you linked to shows drives that are not affected by this specific issue and drives that are patched The point is that manufacturer crypto implementation is a black box that: 1) most importantly, is almost certainly logically flawed 2) less importantly, has state backdoors
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Potato Salad posted:The point is that manufacturer crypto implementation is a black box that: Ok so dump your Intel and AMD platforms while you are at it too Assuming that just because that one product is broken and therefore all are broken and that companies can't improve and learn is off WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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I starting writing a post to explain the difference between software and hardware and the fundamental issue with this type of hardware encryption implementation from companies where the functionality is secondary to their core business but I'm just going to say: lol dipshit
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I starting writing a post to explain the difference between software and hardware and the fundamental issue with this type of hardware encryption implementation from companies where the functionality is secondary to their core business but I'm just going to say: lol dipshit The core function is to sell a product to consumers. Big customers who care about certain features or just force it to happen and demand things work and will drop their business with you if you blow raspberries in their face. When things like this break you can be sure that someone's rear end is getting chewed out and that same chewed up rear end is then bitching out the engineering managers who are then forced to figure out how this happened and what they do to improve it. You can remain paranoid your entire life of everything and that's fine but don't assume things will never get better or companies don't have any reason to ever fix things or any incentive to do things right WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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Potato Salad posted:The point is that manufacturer crypto implementation is a black box that: Based on the quality of the code going into basically everything these days, I'd trust manufacturer provided/accelerated/TCG OPAL about as far as I can throw the SSD like a little ninja-star. That is to say 'ahahahaha, no'. There was a great research paper linked in this very thread where they managed to bypass bitlocker entirely by reading the SPI bus between the TPM chip and the rest of the mainboard. The full key was sent over the bus plaintext, which is super duper useful for anyone who managed to forget thier password, at least. Pre-boot pin is almost as important as having your windows password be something other than 'sex' 'god' 'password' or 'buttslol'. If your job has enough secrets that you could feasibly attract the attention of state actors, why the gently caress is it anywhere where you could misplace it, and why is it attached to the internet at all?
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