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1redflag posted:Decided to play Dark Souls 3 (bought it like 2 years ago and just never got around to playing it) the other day and feel so drat slow after playing Bloodborne/Sekiro. The weapon variety is nice tho, and I’m clowning on all the early area mobs/bosses because of how patient Sekiro’s swordplay has trained me. Nevertheless, I miss the rally mechanic from BB so bad; likely need to start using this butcher’s knife once I’ve got sufficient strength. Before I put down DS3 for Sekiro, I was doing my best to turn my character into a Bloodborne hunter by wearing the pontiff’s ring while wielding twinblades and carrying the cursed greatwood spear on my back. It kind of works!
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Any tips for the Dad fight. I mean, the real Dad fight. The dude is a huge bastard, but I can't even be mad because of how beautifully he counters you.  It's honestly more how I was expecting the fight at the palace to go, guess the last few years have been rough on him. Your Computer posted:yeah, in my challenge run I used the charged attack to force her to deflect and got through the fight without her summoning any Pretty sure you're a wizard. But seriously, these videos are neat.
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Aug 7, 2019 10:19
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Regarding dad fight:HenryEx posted:Use Ichimonji against the overhead smash. If you see him prep the smash, prep your own, because yours is faster. Also, while looking through my old posts here to find the quote above, i found this gem: HenryEx posted:but for the bottomless jerk, stay away from his balls, when he finally pulls out don't go near him, check your surroundings in a panic for where he winds up and you can just deflect the enormous stream coming at you. I don't remember it sounding that bad when i wrote it back then, but i guess context matters
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Aug 7, 2019 11:54
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Your Computer posted:complaining on the internet always helps, it's a proven scientific fact Can confirm, I beat Owl Dad last night  The secret: -Mortal Draw after the overhead smash -I saw several videos on YouTube of people dodging forwards through the firecrackers and hitting him once or twice, I could never get that to work, so I always just jumped backwards -Parry/Mikiri everything else; stay close to him and keep trading blows with him to get in little bits of damage here and there as well as keep his posture damage up. When he’s at about 1/3 of his health you can just keep deflecting his attacks until his posture breaks and you get the deathblow prompt If you have the Lady Butterfly Kunai upgrade for the loaded shuriken you can spam it at him as soon as he turns around at the beginning of the fight to take off a chunk of his health too if that helps
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Aug 7, 2019 18:41
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The shura boss fights are really cool. Emma's really neat (as much as her hug made me rage), isshin 1 becomes a breeze, isshin 2 is craziness. I recommend them highly and it's a shame so few players get to see them, they're my favorite fights behind the other final boss.
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Aug 7, 2019 20:01
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Sheen Sheen posted:-I saw several videos on YouTube of people dodging forwards through the firecrackers and hitting him once or twice, I could never get that to work, so I always just jumped backwards
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Aug 7, 2019 20:21
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Man, I beat the game on NG again, maybe for the second time, maybe third? But it seemed hard, then I beat it on the third try so I went to my NG+2 character and thought I could do it easily but it took probably 25 tries, and even though this fight was super sloppy, I resurrected twice, and used all my healing gourds and had a sliver of health left, I feel like it'd be nearly impossible to get a perfect deflect only ISS.. I'll try the Shura ending maybe if I can speed through NG+3, but without Kuro's charm it's really hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROxmUVhVh4 Here's the NG+2 fight, it's pretty wild how you can get hit like twice and die even on the third NG cycle. Also at like a minute and a half I notice for the first time that Kuro is just lying there in the middle of the field, wtf. That blew my mind.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:28
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this game is loving infuriating I'm not even gonna lie
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Aug 8, 2019 00:27
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romanowski posted:this game is loving infuriating I'm not even gonna lie It does get harder after the bull, where are you? But yeah, the bosses immediately after the bull are probably the hardest in the game, maybe. Or it seems like it because you have a hard Boss, two hard as hell mini bosses (the general in front of the castle isn't too bad, take out the snipers with shurikens from far away if you want to start the fight safely), but yeah, save the Seven Ashina Spears mini boss for later. The main boss at the castle area took me like 200 tries probably..
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Aug 8, 2019 01:04
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there are too many drat minibosses
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Aug 8, 2019 01:31
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The number of minibosses is fine, the number of times you fight certain minibosses is not.
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Aug 8, 2019 02:18
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what's the most attack power you can have for the genichiro ashina fight? right now I have 3 and despite all the other areas I've discovered I haven't encountered any other Actual Bosses
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Aug 8, 2019 02:48
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romanowski posted:what's the most attack power you can have for the genichiro ashina fight? right now I have 3 and despite all the other areas I've discovered I haven't encountered any other Actual Bosses There are 3 total bosses you can fight before Genichiro but one of them requires you to go very far out of your way to what's intended to be a midgame area.
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Aug 8, 2019 03:04
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I’ve just started my first playthrough! I’ve killed a couple of mini bosses and found a bell. I went back in time and got my poo poo pushed in by a Shinobi hunter miniboss and now I have sickness items in my inventory and appear to be slowly killing my sculptor friend. I can either go back to keep at that guy or pick back up from bell mom. So far I’m terrible and that’s okay! I haven’t picked any skills yet but did find a prayer bead and a gourd seed!
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romanowski posted:what's the most attack power you can have for the genichiro ashina fight? right now I have 3 and despite all the other areas I've discovered I haven't encountered any other Actual Bosses
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Aug 8, 2019 04:32
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I am the master of this game
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Aug 8, 2019 04:33
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I really like the game for the cool stuff it tries to do and succeeds at doing. But the number of early game minibosses surrounded by mooks is way too high, and the ones that aren't (Ogre and BBull) are turds. Imagine if Enshin of Misen was an enemy you couldn't deathblow but he wasnt surrounded by half a dozen bandits, it would have made actually learning the mikiri so much easier. Maybe the game wants you to flail around for the first five hours until it gives you the time and opportunity to use the important mechanics with the Genichiro and Jinsuke fights. Like what's the intended approach the new player is supposed to take vs Juzou? Awkwardly pull aggro, kite, repeat for a dozen dudes then deathblow the moron boss for the first dot? And then if the player wants to actually learn the higher risk, actually fun mechanics like not doing hit and run they have to repeat the kiting process if things go south? it's just weird man. No Wave fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Aug 8, 2019 |
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Aug 8, 2019 04:46
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No Wave posted:I really like the game for the cool stuff it tries to do and succeeds at doing. When I first got to Juzou I died a lotta times on the fight but I never had huge trouble with the dudes around him. You can circle around to the left to stealth-kill the two in the house, then just go back to the friendly guy and charge in together. Rush the rest of the enemies and you can kill them pretty quickly while Juzou is chasing around the other dude. I didn't even know you could stealth deathblow him, actually.
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Aug 8, 2019 05:56
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For Owl's firecracker move, you just need to recognize his shoulder bash move. After he knocks you away, you need to walk up to him so you are close enough to dodge the gunpowder igniting slash move.
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Aug 8, 2019 06:23
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No Wave posted:I really like the game for the cool stuff it tries to do and succeeds at doing. I'd assume the 'intended path' is something like Ashina Outskirts up to the Ogre, then Hirata Estate up to Enshin, go back to Ashina probably until the castle, back to Hirata through Juzou, back to the Castle to wrap up the various minibosses and do Lady Butterfly and Genichirou around the same spot.
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Aug 8, 2019 06:27
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Man I dunno if I just got lucky the first go around or what but the Ape was a lot harder on NG+. I blitzed him in two tries on NG, but it took me like 5 this time, which seems weird since I didn't even know his moves the first time. He seemed to do those grabs way more often and I didn't notice just how bullshit the hitboxes were on them. So far that's been the only boss that has felt noticeably harder. Whipping Genichiro's rear end on the first attempt felt so good after what a brick wall he was the first time. Skipping all the minibosses and most of the regular mobs because the drops are completely worthless now and just playing it like a boss rush mode is pretty fun. Probably gonna go for the plat although grinding those last skill points seems like it's gonna be pretty awful. Only bosses I'm really dreading this time are Owl and ISS. There are ways to completely cheese their AI but that's no fun. I don't care much for the Owl fight but ISS I actually enjoy, it just has too many drat healthbars so I feel like I can't ever take any risks and go for the more fun, cinematic fight. It really needed to let you skip the first phase after the first time, it was a cool moment but he's mostly a chump that just serves to drain your gourd charges if you eyeball your distance / parry timing wrong. Also kinda bummed that you can keep boosting your attack but can't get a ridiculous gently caress-off healthbar like you could in Souls.
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There are a few funny moments in Sekiro. On the second visit to the castle I eavesdropped on this monk who was worried if his paycheck from the Ashina clan was going to clear:
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Extra Large Marge posted:There are a few funny moments in Sekiro. On the second visit to the castle I eavesdropped on this monk who was worried if his paycheck from the Ashina clan was going to clear: you can eavesdrop on him again later once everything is on fire and he'll talk about how he's leaving because there's nobody to pay him
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Aug 8, 2019 15:29
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No Wave posted:Is the mist raven bad? Nobody seems to use it. I used it on the cool quickdraw guy under genichiro and it trivialized the fight to a degree where I should have stopped using it but it was too hilarious. It seems almost unfair strong especially the early part of boss fights when you really want to do vit damave.
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Aug 8, 2019 15:36
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WaltherFeng posted:During the Emma fight she has a special attack that will break your lock on unless you deflect the last hit and the animation changes accordingly Yeah, this is what makes me think that FROM most definitely knows about the limitations of their camera systems and actually likes it that way, and not only likes it but considers it a core design choice. It's funny and weird.
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My first time against shura isshin I got stuck behind the open door and lost both lives. Somehow I never think to pause and mist raven. Point being why would the door even be like that if it werent for those moments.
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wyoming posted:Not sure what the say about the monk, while it wasn't super hard, I'm glad it wasn't another guardian ape. Just wanna  that I posted this.tbf I was expecting to find the real monk later, just, like maybe a Maiden Astraea, or the gatekeeper of Byrgenworth situation. Oh well. The first time I was fighting her, when she disappears and the shadows pop up, I instantly noped out with the grapple points, which got me above the fog to see the real one, and I got that instant drop kill on her. Absolutely love how this game telegraphs things. I got pretty much instantly killed by the centipede vomit though, so it took a few tries before I got the new moves down, wild to be able to get to the last form of a boss like that without getting hit at all. So after exploring a bit of the fountainhead palace and getting some lightning thrown at me, I think I'll now go back to fight Dad. Or maybe the other two headless now that I have unlimited access to confetti 
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help I thought I was getting in to a rhythm. I killed horse boss on my second try and felt really good! But then: Spear miniboss: Felt like I wasn't able to distinguish between the start of his thrust (counter w/ dodge) or his strike (deflect) and so kept dying. Did eventually kill it on accident. Bull: I have no idea what I'm supposed to do other than run circles behind it and hit its butt once or twice, then run away again. I've tried parrying/blocking but take damage from everything and it basically one or two shots me. went another direction and Drunk: Holy poo poo there are five billion dudes with this guy. I can't figure out how to clear the 5/6 guys across the water without pulling them all at once and I can't figure out how to effectively manage so many different types of attack at once. Surrounded by three dudes, arrows and a kanji pops up out of nowhere and suddenly an unseen guy pops out to slice my balls off. When I do manage to get across the water I can pretty quickly clear the courtyard thanks to NPC man but then the drunk causes me to take damage with his palm hits even if I'm blocking/reflecting and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've gotten him to one deathblow twice but Jesus This game is breaking my will. I'm struggling with mixing up the appropriate rock/paper/scissor on the kanji constantly, or getting it right but (for example) jumping over the swipe but away from the boss so there's no opportunity to jump kick. I just came off Souls 3 and the muscle memory is loving me up hard, in addition to the split second nature of the choices you're making. Any advice? I'm stuck on both bull and the drunk and after putting 10 or so tries into each and feeling more defeated than I ever felt in any other From game, to the point that I'm not sure I'm even having fun. I'm pretty sure half the world is going to die from dragonrot at the dismal rate I'm going. Fifteen of Many fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 23:12
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drat, y'all done good. 500 pages of shinobi.
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Fifteen of Many posted:Bull: I have no idea what I'm supposed to do other than run circles behind it and hit its butt once or twice, then run away again. I've tried parrying/blocking but take damage from everything and it basically one or two shots me. quote:Drunk: Holy poo poo there are five billion dudes with this guy. I can't figure out how to clear the 5/6 guys across the water without pulling them all at once and I can't figure out how to effectively manage so many different types of attack at once. Surrounded by three dudes, arrows and
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Fifteen of Many posted:help The dudes across the river from Juzou the Drunkard aren't close enough to bother you during the boss fight. You can just run past them along the rooftops. You'll still have to fight the ones in the courtyard with him though. Your darksouls reflexes are probably telling to you sidestep his big slow telegraphed overhead swings (or at least mine were), but you can actually get way more of an opening if you just stay put and deflect them. That applies to a lot of enemies in this game actually. Usually these things do a lot of posture damage if you just block them, but if you deflect/parry the hit it can never do the full-posture-bar stun thing. And most enemies can't follow up to hit you during the stun even if they do fill your posture bar all the way. Deflect timing in this game is way more lenient than parries are in the Souls games, and even if you miss the timing you'll still block the hit, so it's pretty much always worth it to go for them. For the Bull you can avoid just about everything by sprinting in a circle around it and just slicing its butt off.
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acksplode posted:Bull has fire horns, you don't want to parry fire attacks since they'll still scorch you. You pretty much have it, you need to run in circles and make sure he doesn't get a chance to charge directly at you, then strike while he's vulnerable after a miss. Toro! Nah, deflecting the charge is the quickest way to win the fight. Granted you will get crushed a good bit before you learn the timing and spacing required. The bull doesn’t attack quickly enough that you should be getting burned by him if you are deflecting the attacks. If you mix in some firecracker attack windows you only need to deflect it about 5-6 times iirc. https://youtu.be/0mTGGZp06KM
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For the long charge on the bull, hit parry right as he dips his head for the right timing. For Juzou, sneak through the house on the left and get backstabs or throw shards to pull people inside so you can kill them without anyone noticing and run back across the water to the burning houses if you need to deaggro Juzou himself.
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Fifteen of Many posted:help Buy the item "Robert's Firecracker's" from the vendor on a hill next to the old lady who gave you the bell and use the shinobi prosthetic you make from it. If you use this every fifteen seconds or so near the bull you should be able to figure it out from there. 95% of players beat the bull the way you described the first time through, imo save the deflect shenanigans for when better made bosses closer to save points have properly taught you the mechanics. But the firecrackers are what you're missing I think. When you do firecracker keep in mind bull takes bonus damage when you hit him in the face but only do it when it is very very safe to do so. Drunk: Be patient with pulling guys. Use the sneak button (press L3) and deathblow, then run far away and lose aggro. Keep doing this until only drunk is left, then do it again to drunk to remove his first dot. Then just play super safe, like get kind of close to him until he attacks, backdash, get a hit in, etc. Don't even bother trying to deflect this time imo, it's too frustrating to die to this guy after how long it takes to pull everyone. Both of these fights suck, the bull because it's the bull and the drunk because it takes way too long to pull all the guys to properly learn the fight on your first play through. You're trying to play the game the right way and these two fights punish you for it imo which is why the early game of sekiro bothers me, it gets much better very soon these two are just not fair for new players. After this there's one more unfair early game fight (but it's very optional) and from then on out the game is less frustrating imo. Still a lot of dying tho. No Wave fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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Aug 10, 2019 02:14
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Once you've got the first deathblow on Juzou (if you sneak attack it), or just once you've killed everyone, pull him into the shallows next to the Samurai and he'll help you out. He should last for a healthbar at least
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Aug 10, 2019 02:18
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Or instead of all that tedious kiting crap just talk to the samurai to get him to charge in ahead and then rush to kill all the extra dudes while Juzou is distracted fighting him.
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Aug 10, 2019 04:10
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most of the people asking for advice on juzou lose to him even once all the adds are gone
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Aug 10, 2019 04:15
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It’s pretty easy to sprint in, kill all the mooks, dip back into the covered walkway and into the pond and Juzou will get tethered, sneak up and deathblow him and quickly run over to your samurai friend and mash square, and take turns taking the aggro.
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Aug 10, 2019 04:38
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You don't need to do the dialog with him. Juzou getting close will get him to join the fight.
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For Juzou, you see that rock next the the house on the left? The left bottom of the inverted U that the halls of the arena make, where you sneak in, kill some guys, and you have a route up the left of the arena to sneak up on that shield guy? There's a rock in front of that house. Sneak up to that rock and walk forward just a bit and you'll catch Juzou's interest and nobody else. He'll eventually saunter up and aggro you there but if you don't go too far you won't pull anyone else and you can kite him further away to fight him on his own without bothering with the rest of the guys in the courtyard. Once there it's up to you, but that's about the time I realized I needed to change my tv to gaming mode so I wouldn't suffer from input lag.
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