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Some of Ennis' best work are his War Stories and Battlefields series. He clearly has a reverence for military history and doesn't "Garth Ennis" much of it. There are allusions to rape, but they're always in context instead of his usual disturbing use of it superfluously in his other works.
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Aug 11, 2019 19:55
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Phenotype posted:Still trucking through The Boys in comic form. Why does the Wolverine analogue only ever say "Gonna"? And why does he have hammers instead of hands? The Boys is kind of the opposite of something like Cowboy Bebop. Where in Bebop, most people are like "Get out of here, main story, I just want to see the crew having adventures!", with The Boys I kept thinking "Get out of here, wacky adventures! I want to see what's actually going on here." The first half of the run seems like the creators having fun with the world they created so that they can kick the main story into overdrive in the later parts. I'm on the train that those early side arcs are just the worst, doing a type of edge that would have been shocking like pre-2005 where you hadn't seen the Batman/X-Men parodies joked about every single day on the internet. As it moves on, there's maybe only one filler side-arc, and most people kind of hate it because it's basically just a porn comic that's made even worse by the fact that it's drawn by a really bad guest artist. Beyond that, though, it starts to focus its narrative on more interesting ideas. I'm the type of person who guesses story twists way before they happened, and I was surprised by a lot of what happened in the end-game, even after some pretty well-done foreshadowing.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:20
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I will say, given the steps they've taken to humanize Maeve, I hope she fares better in the series than her comic counterpart. She might be one of my favorite supe characters from season one.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:31
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Yeah, finished the re-read. It was worse than I remember (and jesus, it says a lot about where my tastes were 10 yrs ago), but there's still enough there that I'm glad someone recognized the bones of a good story. I really think Ennis is like D&D or prog rock. It's ok to have that phase, and you're probably a better person for it. But grow up and move the gently caress on.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:50
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GD_American posted:I really think Ennis is like D&D or prog rock. It's ok to have that phase, and you're probably a better person for it. But grow up and move the gently caress on. You suck and this opinion is trash
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Aug 11, 2019 21:04
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Some of Ennis' best work are his War Stories and Battlefields series. He clearly has a reverence for military history and doesn't "Garth Ennis" much of it. There are allusions to rape, but they're always in context instead of his usual disturbing use of it superfluously in his other works. Oh yeah, I remember reading that Crécy one he wrote. That one was pretty good, probably on account of simply being short, to the point, and featuring no women whatsoever. Though it reminded me once again of the weird obsession this guy seems to have with all things British. Dude, just move to London or something, Jesus.
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Aug 11, 2019 21:23
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Bust Rodd posted:You suck and this opinion is trash "lol Martian Manhunter likes ladyboys" is a major plot point in the comic. You'll grow up someday
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Aug 11, 2019 22:01
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DrNutt posted:I will say, given the steps they've taken to humanize Maeve, I hope she fares better in the series than her comic counterpart. TV Maeve, well, her getting loaded to deal with things makes a lot of sense.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:01
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Maeve in the comics was if Wonder Woman was crossed with Lucille Bluth.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:04
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GD_American posted:"lol Martian Manhunter likes ladyboys" is a major plot point in the comic. You'll grow up someday I hope I never get old enough that I think telling people what to like doesn’t make me sound like a wet rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:16
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GD_American posted:"lol Martian Manhunter likes ladyboys" is a major plot point in the comic. You'll grow up someday
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Aug 11, 2019 22:32
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Perestroika posted:Oh yeah, I remember reading that Crécy one he wrote. That one was pretty good, probably on account of simply being short, to the point, and featuring no women whatsoever. Though it reminded me once again of the weird obsession this guy seems to have with all things British. Dude, just move to London or something, Jesus. That was Warren Ellis who wrote Crecy, not Ennis. Sometimes easy to confuse, but Ellis is a lot less edgelordy and I think a better writer. Also, he's British.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:38
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Ellis is pretty goddamned edgelordy.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:40
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Bust Rodd posted:I hope I never get old enough that I think telling people what to like doesn’t make me sound like a wet rear end in a top hat. Telling people that they and their opinions suck usually accomplishes that pretty well no matter what your age
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Aug 11, 2019 22:54
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seaborgium posted:That was Warren Ellis who wrote Crecy, not Ennis. Sometimes easy to confuse, but Ellis is a lot less edgelordy and I think a better writer. Also, he's British. I thought they were the same person until now. On the last page when people were saying preacher was ennis’s best work I almost made a post about how that was disrespectful to transmetropolitan.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:54
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FilthyImp posted:I just remember her comic version being a drunken mess, possibly to deal with being over sexualized all the time and not actually being fulfilled? Don't quite remember. It's a similar plot point to the show actually. She gets PTSD from the failed plane rescue and tries to escape into a bottle. The general rear end in a top hat attitude is what she develops for being jaded - this is much less clear in the comics but pretty obvious in the show.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:59
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Bust Rodd posted:You suck and this opinion is trash Seconded. According to rap sheet GD American is the kind of person that will use the slur human being non ironically on these forums. You threw that slur at someone on these forums. Years ago, but it's easy to see and remember and thus determine your character: the kind of rear end in a top hat that will complain loudly about non-traditional comics and creators and still holds old fashioned homophobia in their heart. You basic. I met and talked to Garth Ennis at a convention. He signed a pile of comics for me and many others. He was an approachable, charming, modest man. He grew up in Ulster/Belfast in the 70s and 80s. He knows what real violence and darkness look like and that's why he writes as he does.
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Aug 11, 2019 23:46
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FilthyImp posted:I just remember her comic version being a drunken mess, possibly to deal with being over sexualized all the time and not actually being fulfilled? Don't quite remember. Some heavy spoilers for the comic in the black bars: Maeve is shown to be thoroughly changed after the failed 9/11 mission . She was in bad shape before that, but they made it clear it hosed her up really badly. Her first problems seem to originate from when Homelander "pranked" her into getting raped . After a while, it's made clear to her that she's never going to be a "real" hero, and that she's useless beyond the staged fights with Vought-American's villains, and that while there's a ceiling dictated for superheroes by Vought-American's design, the ceiling for her is much lower as a woman on the team who's surrounded by men. So she's stuck in her state of ennui because she's a marketing tool that can't move her way up but also can't really be allowed to leave The Seven. She's basically going to be forced to wear a costume at VA's whim for the rest of her life. Probably the only thing that makes her feel like a human in control of her own life are her relationships with the Legend/Starlight and working as a mole for The Boys. Ennis is a pretty solid writer, it's just that you really have to look past a lot of the edgelord stuff to be able to appreciate it, and I can kind of forgive people if they're unable to. It sometimes seems like every single person in his stories has some horrible rape/murder/torture/pedophile-related backstory and I'd like to be able to see his ability to write well-rounded characters without all of that baggage.
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Aug 12, 2019 00:35
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Plan Z posted:As it moves on, there's maybe only one filler side-arc, and most people kind of hate it because it's basically just a porn comic that's made even worse by the fact that it's drawn by a really bad guest artist. I'm assuming you're talking about Herogasm here? While I won't dispute that it's a poor comic overall, I will take issue with you calling John McCrea a bad artist. If you look at the work he did on Troubled Souls, Chopper (or even Hitman when it wasn't about Section 8) and compare it to other collaborations with Ennis like Herogasm or Dicks then it's night and day, and I don't think he lost craft between ages 23 and 40 or began dialing it in like Dillon did sometime in the late 90s. I'm not going to make value judgements, but I just think he cares a heck of a lot less about the work when Ennis is being weird. 
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Aug 12, 2019 01:21
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I was really not expecting to like this show, but it was a lot like Preacher (understandably) so I’m glad I gave it a chance. It also reminds me a lot of the comic Supergod, which is one of my favorites. Holy shiiiiiiiiit though, there were a few moments that actually had me laughing out loud because of how over the top atrocious some of the plots were. Especially that last scene holy gently caress. Also, Bust Rodd posted:You suck and this opinion is trash
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Aug 12, 2019 01:26
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Millions of Crows posted:Seconded. I am dying laughing picturing you shivering with Olbermannesque indignation about a six year old probation as you manually type the bold tag on these forums.. If that shivers your timbers, do your fragility a favor and never look up some of the things this website is also known for quote:He grew up in Ulster/Belfast in the 70s and 80s. He knows what real violence and darkness look like and that's why he writes as he does. Ah yes, many remember the Battle of Guy loving A Meat Statue in 1979. A truly dark moment which no doubt left a mark on young Garth, coming so soon on the heels of Dude Whose Mouth Looks Like A Butthole Sunday. Dark times indeed
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Aug 12, 2019 01:38
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GD_American posted:I really think Ennis is like D&D or prog rock. It's ok to have that phase, and you're probably a better person for it. But grow up and move the gently caress on. I know you aren't talking about Pink Floyd, because them would be fighting words.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:52
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Rocksicles posted:I know you aren't talking about Pink Floyd, because them would be fighting words. Thinking of Rush (more for the Randian poo poo than anything). Floyd’s cool, even if Boomers tried their hardest to make it otherwise
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Aug 12, 2019 01:58
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I think it's more that you just sound like an old(?) man yelling at the clouds with something like the D&D comment.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:02
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Arthil posted:I think it's more that you just sound like an old(?) man yelling at the clouds with something like the D&D comment. Eh, fair enough. It was a “got me through junior high alive” thing, but everyone’s experiences vary.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:04
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Arthil posted:I think it's more that you just sound like an old(?) man yelling at the clouds with something like the D&D comment. I'll allow it.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:12
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GD_American posted:D&D or prog rock. It's ok to have that phase, and you're probably a better person for it. But grow up and move the gently caress on. This is the part that is stupid and bad. D&D and prog rock don't keep you from growing up or 'moving on'. Phenotype posted:
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Aug 12, 2019 02:21
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People who do crimes and get caught tend to be on the dumber end of society. TV glamours up villainy a ton. In real life something like 20% of state penitentiary inmates graduated high school, as compared to 84% for the general adult population. The Deep being rock-stupid and a sexual abuser makes total sense.
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Aug 12, 2019 03:26
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Jedit posted:I'm assuming you're talking about Herogasm here? While I won't dispute that it's a poor comic overall, I will take issue with you calling John McCrea a bad artist. If you look at the work he did on Troubled Souls, Chopper (or even Hitman when it wasn't about Section 8) and compare it to other collaborations with Ennis like Herogasm or Dicks then it's night and day, and I don't think he lost craft between ages 23 and 40 or began dialing it in like Dillon did sometime in the late 90s. I'm not going to make value judgements, but I just think he cares a heck of a lot less about the work when Ennis is being weird. That was an exaggeration and unfair on my part. I guess I meant specifically the art for the comic. And it wasn't bad, it was just such a departure from what it originally had going. I have personal critiques I could bring up, I just felt it's so weird to have that one arc just look like that.
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Aug 12, 2019 03:41
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Arglebargle III posted:People who do crimes and get caught tend to be on the dumber end of society. TV glamours up villainy a ton. In real life something like 20% of state penitentiary inmates graduated high school, as compared to 84% for the general adult population. The Deep being rock-stupid and a sexual abuser makes total sense. Yeah, it's easy to think "what an rear end in a top hat," but it adds a lot of complexity to the character when you start to think maybe he acts like an rear end in a top hat because being a jerk means you're dominant and tough, and he knows that otherwise he'll come off as an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing and get ridiculed. Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I loving know I am going to hate myself for asking but what the gently caress? Please tell me this is some weird alternate earth elseworlds bullshit. No, it takes place in it's own universe -- they don't really have Batman and Robin or Wolverine, but they do a lot of parody characters that are obvious matches for a Marvel or DC hero, like Queen Maeve/Wonder Woman, A-Train/Flash, etc. I thought it was a Harley Quinn analogue because she had a blonde ponytail, but looking back yeah, it was probably meant to be a Catwoman character.
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Aug 12, 2019 04:26
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Plan Z posted:Ennis is a pretty solid writer, it's just that you really have to look past a lot of the edgelord stuff to be able to appreciate it, and I can kind of forgive people if they're unable to. It sometimes seems like every single person in his stories has some horrible rape/murder/torture/pedophile-related backstory and I'd like to be able to see his ability to write well-rounded characters without all of that baggage. Yeah, was gonna post basically this. I wouldn't be reading his comics and complaining about them if he didn't write genuinely interesting stories a lot of the time. The dialogue and verisimilitude in his stories tend to be excellent, and I really like his version of gritty realism and melting pot America. He would be a legitimately great author if he'd have his getting-hit-by-a-minivan moment like Stephen King and get over his weird fixation on rapetorturemurder.
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Aug 12, 2019 04:35
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The Deep is an idiot rear end in a top hat though. I'm just saying that's truth in television. Criminals tend to be idiot assholes. If he's sympathetic it's because he's such a dunce.
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Aug 12, 2019 04:45
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Z the IVth posted:It's a similar plot point to the show actually. She gets PTSD from the failed plane rescue and tries to escape into a bottle. The general rear end in a top hat attitude is what she develops for being jaded - this is much less clear in the comics but pretty obvious in the show. Not just from the plane rescue failure. In the comics, Maeve could fly as well. The panicking passengers were swarming her, begging her not to leave them/cursing them out, and in a blind panic she mulched right through them to get out of the plane. She brings up the feeling of all their blood and such sliding off of her to Butcher in some flashback
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Aug 12, 2019 05:06
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Loving this show even though every scene apparently wants to scream out WAS WRITTEN IN 2003.
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Aug 12, 2019 15:47
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Is the female Asian character really not going to speak? Lmao
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Aug 12, 2019 15:52
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Speaking of The Deep not having any control over what he does, and being forced into things he probably hates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR766FtEhv0
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Aug 12, 2019 16:02
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Chairman Capone posted:Speaking of The Deep not having any control over what he does, and being forced into things he probably hates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keln3Aehiso This got me going down the youtube rabbit hole and I found this, it's Hughie and A-Train interviewing cosplay people on The Boys red carpet. The two actors have really good chemistry together and they aren't just making awkward "wow that's really nice!" compliments about the people's costumes, they actually focus on good details like instantly yelling Jack-Jack! when the No-Capes lady pulls a baby out of her bag.
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Aug 12, 2019 16:42
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Spectral Debt posted:Is the female Asian character really not going to speak? Lmao I would be shocked if we don't see her start to speak in season 2. They already gave Kimiko a name so she's not just "the Female", and they had her talk through Mesmer. I expect part of her healing will include her talking to Frenchie.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:29
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How else is she gonna tell us what she want? What she REALLY really want?
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Arthil posted:I think it's more that you just sound like an old(?) man yelling at the clouds with something like the D&D comment. If these other people are disagreeing with his music take that's one thing, but they seem to be arguing that Garth Ennis isn't just Mark Millar.
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