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infernal machines posted:Via yospos: oh man, not that charging station in a Wawa parking lot in Pinellas Park 
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Tokamak posted:"SpaceX did not move its satellite, blaming a computer bug that prevented proper communication with ESA." quote:a bug in the company’s “on-call paging system” prevented the Starlink team from getting additional email correspondence from ESA. we're literally too stupid to set up zendesk, please give us millions of dollars to put your billion dollar hardware into orbit
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Cojawfee posted:What are the odds that SpaceX's method for detecting other satellites nearby is just a cell phone camera taped to the side? Low orbit satellites are moving at speeds of ~25,000 km/h, so you don't have enough time to detect and react to collisions in real-time. Because it's hard managing 12,000 satellites, SpaceX plans to take the collision warning advice from the Air Force and let an AI decide what to do instead of a person. This seems like a bad idea given ESA's detailed analysis determined the risk was 10 times greater than what SpaceX assumed.
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Tokamak posted:Low orbit satellites are moving at speeds of ~25,000 km/h, so you don't have enough time to detect and react to collisions in real-time. Aren't they all moving at roughly the same speed, though? Velocity being a function of orbital height and all. Or am I misunderstanding how satellite orbits work?
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Alien Arcana posted:Aren't they all moving at roughly the same speed, though? Velocity being a function of orbital height and all. Or am I misunderstanding how satellite orbits work? Think of it as a car pulling out into traffic and getting t-boned but the cross traffic is moving at 10000 mph
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Equip all non SpaceX sats with guns.
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Cojawfee posted:What are the odds that SpaceX's method for detecting other satellites nearby is just a cell phone camera taped to the side? Hey man it's not his fault that the ESA sat didn't have lights on it
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Alien Arcana posted:Aren't they all moving at roughly the same speed, though? Velocity being a function of orbital height and all. Or am I misunderstanding how satellite orbits work? they can be at the same height but in different inclinations in which case they can collide at some very high velocities
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Honestly we're not celebrating the ESA's ability to put firetrucks into orbit enough ITT
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Let's hope SpaceX doesn't get into satellite imaging, or it will get one look at a firetruck and deorbit itself.
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Cojawfee posted:Let's hope SpaceX doesn't get into satellite imaging, or it will get one look at a firetruck and deorbit itself. SpaceX's satellites deorbiting themselves is actually the best-case scenario here.
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Discussing with a (otherwise smart guy who is unsympathetic to Tesla) dude who says they don't "kill people like VWs dieselgate scandal". Are there somewhere one can easily see fatalities caused by Tesla that would be avoided if one had just used a real car?
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Tias posted:Discussing with a (otherwise smart guy who is unsympathetic to Tesla) dude who says they don't "kill people like VWs dieselgate scandal". Are there somewhere one can easily see fatalities caused by Tesla that would be avoided if one had just used a real car? one of the several times autopilot has killed someone.
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is there an overview of those cases somewhere?
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Tias posted:is there an overview of those cases somewhere? there’s Tesla deaths, not complete but tracking a lot of deaths, and when AP is confirmed too
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Tias posted:Discussing with a (otherwise smart guy who is unsympathetic to Tesla) dude who says they don't "kill people like VWs dieselgate scandal". Are there somewhere one can easily see fatalities caused by Tesla that would be avoided if one had just used a real car? both can be bad and cases of criminal corporate malfeasance, op instead of trying to argue against tesla so that it’s supposed to somehow be seen as worse just roll with his punches and agree that yes the two situations are terrible and deserving of 
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Cojawfee posted:What are the odds that SpaceX's method for detecting other satellites nearby is just a cell phone camera taped to the side? it's a sonar, duh. haven't you seen the wing commander movie
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Sep 4, 2019 11:18
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easy right answer is that elon musk is a hack fraud liar
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Bulgakov posted:easy right answer is that elon musk is a hack fraud liar Who is going to save THE WORLD!
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Tias posted:Discussing with a (otherwise smart guy who is unsympathetic to Tesla) dude who says they don't "kill people like VWs dieselgate scandal". Are there somewhere one can easily see fatalities caused by Tesla that would be avoided if one had just used a real car? The global diesel pollution is far worse than the rare rich people computer cars.
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FRINGE posted:The global diesel pollution is far worse than the rare rich people computer cars. It's pretty much irrelevant because they were falsifying non-co2 emissions, which, who the gently caress cares about nox and particiculates or whatever 
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you don’t need to rank those things because we can just build a mile long guillotine that removes alllllll of those zillion dollar bonus seeking heads at the same time
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shovelbum posted:It's pretty much irrelevant because they were falsifying non-co2 emissions, which, who the gently caress cares about nox and particiculates or whatever yeah, important to remember that vw cheating was net helping out on global warming by killing more people without really having a negative effect on the broader ecosystem.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:yeah, important to remember that vw cheating was net helping out on global warming by killing more people without really having a negative effect on the broader ecosystem. Nox restrictions will always create more co2 bc of how diesels work
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note that while a diesel fleet of cars will contribute significantly to genociding the human race due to climate change, tesla cars are about as effective at addressing this issue as re-usable garbage bags at the supermarket and are problematic since people think it is a reasonable solution
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Tokamak posted:"SpaceX did not move its satellite, blaming a computer bug that prevented proper communication with ESA." oh my god their satellites use the same collision detection as their Tesla’s
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:oh my god their satellites use the same collision detection as their Tesla’s thats ok there's no firetrucks in space
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Space fire trucks are comets.
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Has anyone actually identified what it is that Teslas love so much about fire trucks? There is a sort of logic to the trailer thing, where the Tesla sees the space underneath and thinks it's a really cool tunnel that it really wants to drive through, or the cases where a self driving system has mistaken a white lorry for a big open patch of sky on a sunny day and tried to drive through it. So why fire trucks?
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AI wants to gently caress fire trucks please don’t kink shame
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Big, red, gets mistaken for the sun which is to say previously any time they turned west during sunset they’d slam on the brakes thinking it was a firetruck, so they hardcoded a fix to ignore that and oops
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Big, red, gets mistaken for the sun What an elegant solution. That means it doesn't care about stop signs as well.
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TheDarkFlame posted:Has anyone actually identified what it is that Teslas love so much about fire trucks? There is a sort of logic to the trailer thing, where the Tesla sees the space underneath and thinks it's a really cool tunnel that it really wants to drive through, or the cases where a self driving system has mistaken a white lorry for a big open patch of sky on a sunny day and tried to drive through it. fire trucks, amberlamps and police cars have retro reflective tape on them which blows out the cameras https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi0d73YoToM so they can't see the actual object, just the inconsistent reflective bits, and the car assumes it's just rain that's also why Teslas keep driving under trucks and making their drivers lose their heads.
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TheDarkFlame posted:Has anyone actually identified what it is that Teslas love so much about fire trucks? There is a sort of logic to the trailer thing, where the Tesla sees the space underneath and thinks it's a really cool tunnel that it really wants to drive through, or the cases where a self driving system has mistaken a white lorry for a big open patch of sky on a sunny day and tried to drive through it. might be that because they’ve got no spatial confidence beyond the car immediately in front, so whenever that car changes lanes to go around a parked emergency vehicle the tesla just thinks “wow a free space to slam on the acceleration!” *loud sounds of breaking glass and crushing metal*
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TheDarkFlame posted:Has anyone actually identified what it is that Teslas love so much about fire trucks? There is a sort of logic to the trailer thing, where the Tesla sees the space underneath and thinks it's a really cool tunnel that it really wants to drive through, or the cases where a self driving system has mistaken a white lorry for a big open patch of sky on a sunny day and tried to drive through it. Tesla's autopilot is unable* to identify stationary objects and other emergency vehicles are relatively rarely used to block a lane at a crash site because fire trucks are the most massive and effective temporary barricades. Teslas have also run into highway patrol cars and tow trucks. *at the very least the radar system is perfectly capable of identifying stationary objects but it is very likely that anything with a speed of 0mph gets thrown out of the autopilot model as ground clutter type stuff unless the cameras have positively identified it as a vehicle
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Teslas want to self-immolate and know fire trucks are responsible for helping to stop fires.
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SweetWillyRollbar posted:Teslas want to self-immolate and know fire trucks are responsible for helping to stop fires. 
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they're using a neural net so it's a black box and nobody has any clue what's going on inside or why it does X. they can just show it more pictures of firetrucks and go NO BAD TESLA and see if it seems like it's learned to behave right there are ways to internally analyse a neural net and how it categorises and compartmentalises data, but it's complex and starts looking like deep dream poo poo if you're working with images. neural nets just don't perceive information like we do, it becomes way more abstract add in the fact that the musk isn't just trying to train a NN that can identify different kinds of dog, but a system that can correctly perceive and identify objects in webcam snaps of the 3D world (where anything can be anywhere in any orientation) and whoa turns out this is kinda complicated u guys. even the dog detectors have trouble when the nose isn't pointing in an ideal direction
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