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BalloonFish posted:These days its the Silver Spirit and the lower-spec 80s Bentleys that are the 'cheap Rolls-Royces' and can be seen in reserved spots in car parks round the back of Northern mill-town nightclubs, adult video warehouses and single-store discount supermarkets. I've seen Bentleys far newer than the 80s going cheap as chips. They don't seem to have any resale value, here in the US, at least. Relatively low mileage (50-60k) 10 year old cars going for like $30k-$40k.
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Probably because, by the time they are sold, they need so much expensive poo poo fixed that it's not worth it. Top of the line cars like the 7 series and S class never hold value because all that new crazy poo poo is new and crazy and breaks.
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Sep 8, 2019 18:20
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Makes me wonder what happens to, like, the scent injection system in the BMw/Mercedes executive line cars when they break. Or the touchscreen systems.
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Sep 8, 2019 18:23
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It's probably catastrophic since even simple stuff goes terribly wrong. On some years of 7 series, the seat controls would sometimes just get reversed for some reason. Up makes the seat go down, forward makes it go back.
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Sep 8, 2019 18:30
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ReidRansom posted:I've seen Bentleys far newer than the 80s going cheap as chips. They don't seem to have any resale value, here in the US, at least. Relatively low mileage (50-60k) 10 year old cars going for like $30k-$40k. A doctor of some kind in the office complex I work at has a Bentley that I bet is something like this. I'm not sure what because I don't care enough about cars to have that sort of knowledge, but also because he laboriously puts a car cover over it whenever he takes it to work. content: Some other article somewhere led me to an obscure alleyway from the days of shareware: mp3pro. http://www.rarewares.org/rrw/ctmp3pro.php This was a codec that would transcode your existing mp3 files into lower-bitrate mp3 files that still sounded pretty good. I tried it out a couple times when I was smuggling music from my work computer to my home computer on 100MB Zip Disks. This was just as Napster was getting started, and I had a computer with dial-up American Online + a 28.8 modem. Only thing was, you had to play back your mp3 files on an mp3pro player. doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 19:17 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Sep 8, 2019 19:14
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FilthyImp posted:Makes me wonder what happens to, like, the scent injection system in the BMw/Mercedes executive line cars when they break. I saw someone bitching about new Mercedes’ fuel pumps which are are built into the fuel tank and supposed to last the life of the car. When they don’t, you have to replace the pump and the tank.
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Sep 8, 2019 19:56
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ReidRansom posted:I've seen Bentleys far newer than the 80s going cheap as chips. They don't seem to have any resale value, here in the US, at least. Relatively low mileage (50-60k) 10 year old cars going for like $30k-$40k. A lot of that is due to new cars being very nice. $40k can buy a new lower end Lexus or BMW that will have way more features and be much more reliable than the 10 year old Bentley, although the interior won't be as opulent. People only buy the Bentley if they care about looking rich.
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Sep 8, 2019 19:59
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Those horse masks were never funny. edit: Whoops, wrong thread but I'm just gonna leave it hanging. Unperson_47 has a new favorite as of 20:13 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Sep 8, 2019 20:11
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doctorfrog posted:A doctor of some kind in the office complex I work at has a Bentley that I bet is something like this. I'm not sure what because I don't care enough about cars to have that sort of knowledge, but also because he laboriously puts a car cover over it whenever he takes it to work. My cheapass dad bought an RCA Lyra MP3 player on clearance that played MP3Pro files as well as regular MP3s. It only had 64 MB of storage so you pretty much had to use MP3Pro format to fit even a single album on it without absolutely murdering the quality. It had an SD card slot but all our cameras and stuff were CompactFlash back then so we didn't get any SD cards until long after we'd forgotten about it.
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Sep 8, 2019 22:12
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Mr.Radar posted:My cheapass dad bought an RCA Lyra MP3 player on clearance that played MP3Pro files as well as regular MP3s. It only had 64 MB of storage so you pretty much had to use MP3Pro format to fit even a single album on it without absolutely murdering the quality. It had an SD card slot but all our cameras and stuff were CompactFlash back then so we didn't get any SD cards until long after we'd forgotten about it. That'd be one of these (linked from the mp3pro web page): https://web.archive.org/web/20050711232639/http://mp3prozone.com/products.htm I really like the late 90's pocket electronics look of the RD1071, before/as things were getting all colorful and ergonomic.
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Sep 8, 2019 23:55
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This is so bizarre, but it was shiny and gold and I guess that was enough to get people to buy them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAHSkcP1PPc
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Sep 9, 2019 17:58
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Krispy Wafer posted:I saw someone bitching about new Mercedes’ fuel pumps which are are built into the fuel tank and supposed to last the life of the car. When they don’t, you have to replace the pump and the tank. That's not unique to Mercs at all. Most fuel pumps are built into the fuel tank, have been for quite a few years, and there are good reason for it.
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Sep 9, 2019 23:03
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Phanatic posted:That's not unique to Mercs at all. Most fuel pumps are built into the fuel tank, have been for quite a few years, and there are good reason for it. Yeah, but I think what the OP was saying is that most don’t require the tank to be replaced as well. My ‘89 Volvo has an sending unit/pump in the tank, but it’s easily removable.
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Sep 9, 2019 23:50
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I know next to nothing about fuel pumps, but yeah I think the bitching was that the fuel tank has to be replaced as well. Whenever some engineer says an improvement is never supposed to be replaced it definitely will have to be replaced.
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Sep 10, 2019 02:04
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It's cute that y'all think that anything is made to last past the warranty period. Anything outside of that is "Not their problem".
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Sep 10, 2019 02:31
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Can I get a quote on what model has the irreplaceable pump? The ones I looked for all have separate pumps.
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Sep 10, 2019 07:25
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Johnny Aztec posted:It's cute that y'all think that anything is made to last past the warranty period. Anything outside of that is "Not their problem". -something that lasts long enough that it's working, but not quite like new anymore, which happens to be when your next model comes out and your customers to upgrade to the newer one. Think Apple, and the fact that even if everyone sells their old phones instead of trading them in or tossing them, they still pull someone who can't afford the big stuff yet into their ecosystem, which is vital because if you've ever switched between Android and iOS devices, the slight differences in how things are done make it comfortable for people who are used to it, but irritating and infuriating to people used to another OS -something that breaks or wears out after just long enough that the customer thinks they got a good product for a reasonable price, and buys another. Whether it breaks or wears out depends on what it is. A kitchen appliance, power tool, something like that, should have a motor with a lower MTBF than the rest of it so it wears out. It also gives you a chance to shower the customer with some flattery. Drill wore out? that's because you used it all the time to build awesome stuff. Kitchen mixer motor starts to go, well it would still be going if you weren't such a good baker! Hitachi Magic Wand wears out? nobody who burns out the motor in a Magic Wand is going to buy something else to replace it unless they also wore out their drill and get creative in the power tool aisle. Something fragile, something like a powerful or delicate tool, or an everyday item that gets bumped around a lot will break at a weak spot that looks strong once it's broken. A plastic handle will have an elaborate looking structure around the spot where it takes the most stress. The goal: the customer thinks "I broke it" rather than "it broke." Or, your light bulbs burn out at 1000 hours, but so do everyone else's, so that's just how light bulbs are, and you've been had by the Phoebus Cartel.
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Sep 10, 2019 08:08
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That, and most people don't put a lot of stress on their devices. If you work on your car a few times a year, cheap tools are fine. At worst, they break and you have to make an extra trip to AutoZone. If you're a professional mechanic, you spend a lot of money on quality tools that will last through years of daily use.
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Konstantin posted:That, and most people don't put a lot of stress on their devices. If you work on your car a few times a year, cheap tools are fine. At worst, they break and you have to make an extra trip to AutoZone. If you're a professional mechanic, you spend a lot of money on quality tools that will last through years of daily use. Auto mechanics are big into name brand tools too right? I work in industrial maintenance and I've seen exactly one snap on tool ever, real pro grade tools can be had for cheaper than you think if you go with a less sexy brand. Still never cheap.
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Lurking Haro posted:Can I get a quote on what model has the irreplaceable pump? The ones I looked for all have separate pumps. Not sure. I think I heard it on a legal podcast/radio show of all things. An angry customer who wanted to sue Mercedes. The probability of it being bullshit is slightly less than the average Reddit post. Konstantin posted:That, and most people don't put a lot of stress on their devices. If you work on your car a few times a year, cheap tools are fine. At worst, they break and you have to make an extra trip to AutoZone. If you're a professional mechanic, you spend a lot of money on quality tools that will last through years of daily use. Working on something once or twice a year is what Harbor Freight tools are for.
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shovelbum posted:Auto mechanics are big into name brand tools too right? I work in industrial maintenance and I've seen exactly one snap on tool ever, real pro grade tools can be had for cheaper than you think if you go with a less sexy brand. Still never cheap. Young auto mechanics are easily convinced by the guy in an Aladdin's Truck fully of 'Tools that a professional needs, are you a real professional? Here's a payment plan'. Older/wiser mechanics, less so. Of course, the Snapon truck itself is obsolete technology: part of the appeal was that you could have access to any tool you need, at your premises, the next time the truck came round - which could be as often as once a week. Bang! Amazon next day delivery of whatever you want at a fraction of the price.
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Sep 10, 2019 16:27
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Shut up Meg posted:Young auto mechanics are easily convinced by the guy in an Aladdin's Truck fully of 'Tools that a professional needs, are you a real professional? Here's a payment plan'. Older/wiser mechanics, less so. Yeah but Amazon doesn't give you a cool lanyard or a bottle opener.
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Sep 10, 2019 16:49
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GWBBQ posted:Warranty periods provide valuable QA data for likely points of early failure and make the customer feel like the company is doing them a favor. On the manufacturing side, you establish the desired life cycle, then balance price and quality until you make the most money from either I guess that's part of the reason Dyson completely changed their vacuums past the DC14. We bought one 15 years ago and it's still going as strong as day one. I've saved a DC17, and another DC14 from being taken to the dump. The DC17 only needed a good cleaning, inside and out. The DC14, I haven't had time to mess with yet.
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Sep 10, 2019 20:16
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This popped up on Reddit this morning, and it seems relevent. $122 for four picks and one fancy extended socket that can be duplicated with a socket, u-joint, and extension. Literally the only points in Snap-on's favor here are they come to you, and extend credit.
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Sep 10, 2019 22:38
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Credit which of course would not be necessary if you were buying any normally-priced professional tools. Jesus though, how can they charge that much for picks and keep a straight face?
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Sep 10, 2019 22:58
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Dentistry seems like an expensive hobby. Not to mention how you've got to run out of friends and family to practice on after a while.
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Sep 10, 2019 23:00
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I really don't understand how Snap-On or Kirby Vacuums or any of that door-to-door salesman poo poo that costs 10 times the alternatives can exist these days.
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Sep 10, 2019 23:09
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Flipperwaldt posted:Dentistry seems like an expensive hobby. Not to mention how you've got to run out of friends and family to practice on after a while. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgI3Y7gxMO4
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Sep 10, 2019 23:11
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I didn't realize how expensive snap-on was and asked a friend to grab me a crescent wrench the next time the truck came by. $60 for the fuckin' thing!
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Are they still your friend? My father picked up a Kirby Heritage 2 vac off the curb and replaced the fan wheel inside it and used it for years. It worked well and a great point in it's favor was that it was so much quieter than the plastic crap you get at Walmart. It would be pretty cool to be able to buy a solid metal body vacuum just to have a quiet one like that. We also had a trash picked, repaired Sanitaire that was so old most of the paint was gone off it but it kept on going until my mother tried to vacuum up too many coins.
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Vanagoon posted:Are they still your friend? Oh man, my parents bought a Kirby Generation 3 when my brother and I were toddlers, and they *still* have that thing. It's loud as gently caress but will never ever die. A hulking stainless steel beast.
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Sep 11, 2019 00:32
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Shut up Meg posted:Credit which of course would not be necessary if you were buying any normally-priced professional tools. Professional tools are never normally-priced https://www.grainger.com/product/AMPCO-72-Chain-Wrench-with-2-to-21XW03
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I didn't realize how expensive snap-on was and asked a friend to grab me a crescent wrench the next time the truck came by. $60 for the fuckin' thing! That's more than a Bahco
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ReidRansom posted:Professional tools are never normally-priced That's 65 pounds of high-strength non-sparking bronze, that's not a normal tool either edit: Then again a Proto 4-pick set is 75 bucks on there.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I didn't realize how expensive snap-on was and asked a friend to grab me a crescent wrench the next time the truck came by. $60 for the fuckin' thing! That seems low. what size was it? Also, Isn't snapons OEM for adjustable wrenches Bahco anyway?
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Sep 11, 2019 02:23
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Grainger can charge high prices because they are one of the only companies in their market that will reliably ship what you ordered on time. Other companies are cheaper, but will either have unexpected delays or will ship you the wrong thing. When you work in an industrial environment, delays can cost thousands of dollars, and you do not want to be the one explaining that the line is down because you tried to save a few hundred dollars by using an unproven supplier.
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Konstantin posted:Grainger can charge high prices because they are one of the only companies in their market that will reliably ship what you ordered on time. Other companies are cheaper, but will either have unexpected delays or will ship you the wrong thing. When you work in an industrial environment, delays can cost thousands of dollars, and you do not want to be the one explaining that the line is down because you tried to save a few hundred dollars by using an unproven supplier. Also Grainger and other industrial and commercial suppliers have several layers of contracted pricing and discounts.
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Sep 11, 2019 02:59
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It's also priceless to have a vendor who knows what they're doing with various forms of government contracts instead of loving fumbling around for weeks trying to find their rear end with both hands.
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Sep 11, 2019 03:04
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If only they all had an online catalog as well made as McMaster-Carr.
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