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Ibram Gaunt posted:He said he didn't want to flush all the hard work the people did on the Issac DLC down the toilet because of this. There are probably contractual obligations as well that prevent him from pulling out without eating a bunch of penalties.
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Studio posted:To be quite honest those are all things I know very little about from the perspective of an Indie Dev, so I kind of want to know more. Like, is the complaint about cliques related to access and media promotion, or is he just mad that he isn't friends with some popular indie devs??? He was saying that in a conversation with his buddy Notch...
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Bug Squash posted:He was saying that in a conversation with his buddy Notch... 
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Studio posted:To be quite honest those are all things I know very little about from the perspective of an Indie Dev, so I kind of want to know more. Like, is the complaint about cliques related to access and media promotion, or is he just mad that he isn't friends with some popular indie devs??? It was around the Indie Awards time. Hopefully, a vice interview can suffice? https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/mvx5mp/pills-poop-and-pentagrams-in-conversation-with-indie-gaming-legend-edmund-mcmillen-100 Naturally, certain people took this spin and ran with it, corruption, ethics, he's on our side and all that horseshit.
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It's just... he's not a piece of poo poo, like the other guys that get discussed. He's not abusing his wife, taking advantage of his fans or converting children to Nazism (as far as I'm aware). He just doesn't always get why you shouldn't use certain words in certain contexts. I'm still happy to buy his games, but I don't think we'd get on in real life.
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Yeah, I'm not shouting from the rooftops that Edmund McMillen is a bad guy, he is certainly no Brad Wardell. I'm not actually expecting him to pull all his games from Nicalis. Just if you get the easiest layup in the world of "condemn racism" and don't take it I'm gonna remember it next time I look at one of your games. I think McMillen is getting a lot more consideration anyway because of the content of his games.
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So it's not sexual assault, but the Game Director for Stellaris follows a lot of alt-right figures on Twitter, as discovered by @plainoldchair and posted here by forums user WhiskeyJuvenile: https://twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1171519694949347328 (thread) It's a pretty bad look given the subject matter of a lot of Paradox games. It got posted on the official forums and was quickly swept under the rug. The Stellaris Thread here has been split along "gently caress anyone who gives people like IMC the time of day. This recontextualises a lot of stuff in Stellaris in a bad way and makes spotty implementation of new features look like a The Great Replacement simulator" and "gently caress this I just want spacegames" lines with one of the latter voices having a Balkenkreuz in their avatar. They said it was an innocent thing from some old internet argument but just  Is there any possible course of action here? Is it appropriate to want to want the developer (Paradox as a whole and the individual concerned) to be more politically conscious? The previous game director wore some Make Space Great Again hats before the 2016 election when it looked like Trump was a total joke, and those got retired pretty darn quick. While there's not been anything (to my knowledge) posted by Moregård himself that'd be alt-right, it still seems really fishy to be linked to those accounts. Also there's a pretty fash mod that's been up for years, per the thread. As a New Zealander and a Paradox fan, I was glad to see that there was at least some effort to tone down the lovely racist memes from the CK2, EUIV, HOI4 camps in the wake of the Christchurch shooting, but I just don't know what the heck is going on anymore there.
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Considering Paradox makes every grognard chud's favourite Make The Nazis Win WW2 simulator (also known as the Hearts of Iron series) this doesn't really come as a surprise to me. The community of those games has a very, very, very intensely bad reputation. Wouldn't have degenerated that far if the developers and by association the community managers actually cared, I think.
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Anticheese posted:So it's not sexual assault, but the Game Director for Stellaris follows a lot of alt-right figures on Twitter, as discovered by @plainoldchair and posted here by forums user WhiskeyJuvenile: New Thread Title please: So it's not sexual assault, but check out who this guy follows on twitter!
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Hah. Yeah, fairly lovely phrasing but like...I dunno I felt it still fell under the umbrella of probably lovely stuff in games industry figures that is worth looking at? 
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My opinion on the projared stuff is basically that if you're a popular youtuber, with an audience probably consisting of a lot of children, since that's a huge portion of the videogame youtube market, then it is incredibly skeevy to use that clout to set up a website for you to trade nudes, no matter if you're verifying that they're over-18. Essentially, this tweet thread: https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1166602057018728450 https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1166603038888476673
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If you're just now finding out that gaming has a sizeable contingent of crypto-fascists, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Incoherence posted:If you're just now finding out that gaming has a sizeable contingent of crypto-fascists, I'm not sure what to tell you. Probably "Keep looking around because they exist a lot of places and should be noticed and dealt with."
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Anticheese posted:So it's not sexual assault, but the Game Director for Stellaris follows a lot of alt-right figures on Twitter, as discovered by @plainoldchair and posted here by forums user WhiskeyJuvenile: You'd think after Paradox got lambasted for the 'Deus Vult!' tweet promoting CK2 that they'd be more diligent in monitoring their social media presence for potential blunders. Being adjacent to the community as a fan of their games, I can't say I'm surprised. Just disappointed. I'd love some recommendations for grand strategy games from another studio but I suppose I should take that to a different thread. graveportents fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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I have bad news for you, no grand strategy game is gonna be fascist free. It’s kind of the nature of the genre
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Honestly I was fairly surprised they resisted the urge to name Holy Fury "Deus Vult!" I can't remember of Moregard is one of the Pdox devs who is also a goon but might be worth posting in the Paradox general thread, it'll probably be seen by one of them and might get a response.
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'History' games period are always gonna have different flavors of intolerable people in all the different nooks and crannies of the community, nowhere even close to limited to just nazis, I've run across a whole lotta Stalin apologists, theocracy lust and more in there too, that's unfortunately something that's just not getting fixed, a game with a focus on any given period of time where you can futz around with the events as any side is always going to have people who support whack poo poo skulking around, so as long as it's not pushing content that's just up front nazi poo poo or tankie poo poo or fundie poo poo then the game itself is fine.
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Yardbomb posted:'History' games period are always gonna have different flavors of intolerable people in all the different nooks and crannies of the community, nowhere even close to limited to just nazis, I've run across a whole lotta Stalin apologists, theocracy lust and more in there too, that's unfortunately something that's just not getting fixed, a game with a focus on any given period of time where you can futz around with the events as any side is always going to have people who support whack poo poo skulking around, so as long as it's not pushing content that's just up front nazi poo poo or tankie poo poo or fundie poo poo then the game itself is fine. yeah thats honestly any history communities in general sadly. i belong to a bunch of history meme pages and at least twice a week there will be unironic nazi/facist poo poo, the stuff gets taken down quick but still. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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graveportents posted:You'd think after Paradox got lambasted for the 'Deus Vult!' tweet promoting CK2 that they'd be more diligent in monitoring their social media presence for potential blunders. Being adjacent to the community as a fan of their games, I can't say I'm surprised. Just disappointed. I'd love some recommendations for grand strategy games from another studio but I suppose I should take that to a different thread. I mean that's hardly even the biggest misstep Paradox has made in recent memory, considering it's been less than a year since Martin Ericcson, the guy they put in charge of the Vampire: the Masquerade tabletop RPG revival, who himself had a number of extremely lovely moments leading up to the game's release (talk of returning werewolves to their "crypto-fascist eco terrorist" roots, hiring on noted serial harasser and later outed rapist and abuser Zak S to author a tie-in app game, casual 1488 references in playtest materials, he likes signing off on his blog with "Blood and Souls!" etc etc) caused a no-fooling international incident with the Chechnyan government when he tasteless decided to put a ripped-from-the-headlines plot hook in the game about how the Chechen government's anti-gay purges were all part of a sinister vampiric cabal. Even if people going "hey wow this is actually really tasteless" wouldn't normally motivate corporations, the threat of translators being arrested and the Chechen government (who of course angrily deny that the purges are even happening) making noise were enough to result in Paradox finally moving to exercise greater oversight and control over their White Wolf subsidiary, no longer allowing it to operate on its own, and Ericcson would eventually be shitcanned down the line as well.
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Anticheese posted:So it's not sexual assault, but the Game Director for Stellaris follows a lot of alt-right figures on Twitter, as discovered by @plainoldchair and posted here by forums user WhiskeyJuvenile: He comes across as one of those Yang nuts more than anything. They seem to buy into alt-right conspiracies quite readily as excuses why newbie Andrew Yang doesn't have political traction. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Kai Tave posted:I mean that's hardly even the biggest misstep Paradox has made in recent memory, considering it's been less than a year since Martin Ericcson, the guy they put in charge of the Vampire: the Masquerade tabletop RPG revival, who himself had a number of extremely lovely moments leading up to the game's release (talk of returning werewolves to their "crypto-fascist eco terrorist" roots, hiring on noted serial harasser and later outed rapist and abuser Zak S to author a tie-in app game, casual 1488 references in playtest materials, he likes signing off on his blog with "Blood and Souls!" etc etc) caused a no-fooling international incident with the Chechnyan government when he tasteless decided to put a ripped-from-the-headlines plot hook in the game about how the Chechen government's anti-gay purges were all part of a sinister vampiric cabal. Even if people going "hey wow this is actually really tasteless" wouldn't normally motivate corporations, the threat of translators being arrested and the Chechen government (who of course angrily deny that the purges are even happening) making noise were enough to result in Paradox finally moving to exercise greater oversight and control over their White Wolf subsidiary, no longer allowing it to operate on its own, and Ericcson would eventually be shitcanned down the line as well. I feel like this one is a result of the main branch not giving a poo poo about tabletop and subsequently not even noticing it until it blows up in your face
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Andrast posted:I feel like this one is a result of the main branch not giving a poo poo about tabletop and subsequently not even noticing it until it blows up in your face It was 100% exactly that, but like with a lot of things there was plenty of effort to bring stuff like this to Paradox's attention in the hopes they'd take action earlier and they either didn't take it seriously or simply didn't care. Ericsson was doing this poo poo for nearly two years until the book finally went to print and whoops, suddenly Ramzan Kadyrov is leaving us angry voicemails and calling our foreign language translators in to testify.
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Anticheese posted:Is there any possible course of action here?
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muon posted:yes: play video games instead of policing wrongthink Real inconspicuous first post in the thread.
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muon posted:yes: play video games instead of policing wrongthink You need a wedgie
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I remember the part of 1984 where Big Brother punishes the citizens for wrongthink by not buying video games from them. Chilling stuff.
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Yardbomb posted:'History' games period are always gonna have different flavors of intolerable people in all the different nooks and crannies of the community, nowhere even close to limited to just nazis, I've run across a whole lotta Stalin apologists, theocracy lust and more in there too, that's unfortunately something that's just not getting fixed, a game with a focus on any given period of time where you can futz around with the events as any side is always going to have people who support whack poo poo skulking around, so as long as it's not pushing content that's just up front nazi poo poo or tankie poo poo or fundie poo poo then the game itself is fine. my favorite subgroup is the hardcore nationalists from tiny rear end central European countries who truly believe that if history had worked out slightly differently the whole world would be united under glorious Bosnovia or whatever
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Friend of mine has a wee wargame on Steam, fake world, fake nations. Every month or so he has to clear the Nazi poo poo out of the steam workshop. It gets everywhere.
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muon posted:yes: play video games instead of policing wrongthink Bet this guy uses lots of gamer words
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:my favorite subgroup is the hardcore nationalists from tiny rear end central European countries who truly believe that if history had worked out slightly differently the whole world would be united under glorious Bosnovia or whatever But yeah, alt-history games invite lots of weirdoes. Luckily, at least a good part of these types is genuinely harmless, if crazy.
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No, I tend to agree that while consumers can very comfortably air their grievances and so on, it seems unreasonable to expect everyone in the industry to have to vocally cut ties and denounce anyone they may have worked with in the past because of something they said or did online. In the same way we can’t expect victims to want to open themselves harassment and criticism and being called a liar, going out of your way to make a big post on social media to assure everyone “I know we used to work with this creep but he sucks and we all hate him and won’t work with him anymore” can have serious repercussions on your ability to work and put food on the table. It’s unrealistic to expect everyone in the industry to fall into lockstep regarding the right way to handle these things, mostly because the issue is so pervasive and seemingly omnipresent. I don’t automatically assume everyone is a Nazi or a sex pest because someone they had to work with is a nazi or a paedo.
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Cardiovorax posted:Don't hate me just because I've awakened to the glory of Andorra's manifest destiny, man. If there's one thing we all should have learned over the last few years it's that people just posting poo poo on the Internet isn't always harmless.
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Bust Rodd posted:I don’t automatically assume everyone is a Nazi or a sex pest because someone they had to work with is a nazi or a paedo. Also, just to ask something completely unrelated, what's with that sex pest term? I find myself not really liking it. It makes sexual harassment sound a lot more harmless than it is. Raygereio posted:If there's one thing we all should have learned over the last few years it's that people just posting poo poo on the Internet isn't always harmless. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Cardiovorax posted:To be fair, I've not seen people do that here either. Everyone was very sympathetic to how shocked and uncomfortable the people who had to work with Holowka felt about the whole issue once his worse behaviour came to light. It's a term originating from UK tabloid newspapers that was probably originally chosen because it's short and easy to fit into a headline and picked up by the internet because it sounds catchy. I agree it's not the best term to use to describe a lot of the stuff detailed in threads like this.
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professor metis posted:My opinion on the projared stuff is basically that if you're a popular youtuber, with an audience probably consisting of a lot of children, since that's a huge portion of the videogame youtube market, then it is incredibly skeevy to use that clout to set up a website for you to trade nudes, no matter if you're verifying that they're over-18. my gf put his apology video on in the background for some reason and we both went in going "ah hes probably innocent" and came out going "lol this guy is guilty AF" the whole video is such a politicians response and he never actually denies anything. he literally says "but i dont recall ever doing something like that" whenever accused of doing something rather than saying he just didnt do it. to the point he apologised for doing things that later he "remembered he didnt do" lol he also opens big on his accusers being mentally ill but then pretends thats not what hes implying what a scumbag
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:my favorite subgroup is the hardcore nationalists from tiny rear end central European countries who truly believe that if history had worked out slightly differently the whole world would be united under glorious Bosnovia or whatever hell yeah, one of my fav things i noticed about the TW community early on its skeevy and nazi-adjacent but its fun to know other people are taught that their countries are the best, instead of correctly being taught that the UK is a world-straddling collosus that beat the germans in both world wars
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Cardiovorax posted:Fair enough, although I think it's a bit godwin to compare the Napoleon Syndrome version of overbearing national pride outright with Nazism like that. You're free to godwin-wave it away as nonsense. And honestly it probably is in most cases. But some people do fall down the rabbit hole and end up marching with tiki torches. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Yeah, alright, that's a bit more over the edge than the average armchair alt-historian, gotta agree. The majority of the types I've seen were basically just writing fanfiction about their favourite little speck of national dirt. This here is a bit more concerning.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:my gf put his apology video on in the background for some reason and we both went in going "ah hes probably innocent" and came out going "lol this guy is guilty AF" i mean the fact is even if the girls were 18 he's still a creepy weirdo. not just because macking on 18 year old fans as a married dude in your 30s is creepy as poo poo, but because the way he was going about it was creepy as poo poo. the entire tumblr sexring consisted of giant speeches about how 'sex positive this space is' and how 'we're exploring ourselves,' it was the most obviously manipulative poo poo in the world. just say you wanna gently caress and ask if any girls wanna see your cock + balls like a normal person, goddamn.
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