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Also sorry wiz but 2016: "stellaris has great civ creation and a good early game but drags and collapses in the mid and end game" 2019: "you should play stellaris, they fixed it and it's good, apart from the mid and end game which sucks"
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Collectivism being the slavery ethos was one of the most insane things lol. Also I really hate that for some reason Spiritualism hates robots but gets psi powers. I'm not really sure how either of those can be considered ideological
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Larry Parrish posted:Collectivism being the slavery ethos was one of the most insane things lol. Also I really hate that for some reason Spiritualism hates robots but gets psi powers. I'm not really sure how either of those can be considered ideological The latter is Dune
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1171519694949347328
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1171519694949347328 moregard sux but the stellaris thread melted down over the fact that 'totalitarian feudal slave state' and 'fully automated luxury gay space communism' shared an ethic. which was fair. it was not possible to represent democratic socialism because collectivism-only mechanics and event options often presumed complete subsumption of the individual, in order to contrast sharply with individualism which was its opposite ethic. it put stellaris in a weird state where you could play as libertarian hellholes, liberal market economies, or sheng-ji yang's hive, but nowhere in between. thanks to wiz there's plenty of support for falgsc now and also an archaeological event about shitposting over communism destroying a society of goons so the whole saga turned out well imo, shame that stellaris seems to be back in bad hands
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i thought the whole point of stellaris is to try to have made The Culture by the end of the game
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wiz was the one who wanted the pop growth mechanic to cause majority species populations to just stop reproducing and go into decline when immigrants arrive in your empire, which then begin outgrowing every other species iirc when the quillete guy took over they changed that system so the game no longer depicts white genocide to nearly the same extent the stellaris dev team is a land of contrasts
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stellaris left one of the most sour tastes in my mouth re:gaming. i mean christ it's been years and the game is still functionally just a fairly boring 4x game. i really cannot comprehend why they didnt just hire a random sci fi writer to come up with a mildly interesting setting (or license one wholesale) and just make a regular style paradox game
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Because sandbox~
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I want to like Stellaris but I just can't get into it. I only have the base game if that makes a difference. What's another game like Stellaris, but more... Engaging? Interesting? Closest thing to Stellaris I've played is Civilization which I really like but I'd prefer something space based.
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There are the Galactic Civilization games (no relation), but the company owner there is a huge piece of poo poo.
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Upmarket Mango posted:I want to like Stellaris but I just can't get into it. I only have the base game if that makes a difference. What's another game like Stellaris, but more... Engaging? Interesting? Closest thing to Stellaris I've played is Civilization which I really like but I'd prefer something space based. Have you looked at Distant Worlds? It's a space 4x that gets extremely detailed in terms of designing ships and bases, with a lot of focus on exploring the galaxy to find cool ruins on planets and ship graveyards/precursor depots that you can salvage for yourself - if you liked the anomaly stuff of early game Stellaris it kind of hits the same notes as that with following the breadcrumbs around the galaxy to find cool lost technology. Has a pretty good automation system too so you can let the AI handle the economy or research or spying or warfare and focus on whatever part you're most interested in, if it gets too overwhelming to handle it all.
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Upmarket Mango posted:I want to like Stellaris but I just can't get into it. I only have the base game if that makes a difference. What's another game like Stellaris, but more... Engaging? Interesting? Closest thing to Stellaris I've played is Civilization which I really like but I'd prefer something space based. Endless Space 2 is alright. Each civ/species has a unique playstyle but it's more like Civilization than it is Stellaris
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^^hm I will look at that too. I like Civilization so that in space sounds groovy I haven't heard of distant worlds but I will check it out, galactic civilizations too. And whatever Aurora is
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atelier morgan posted:control was really loving good The story of his personal assistant raiding the Gearbox company bank account was pretty hilarious. Like how don't you notice a guy skimming a few 100k a year for furniture and luxury makeovers for himself?
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Sword of the stars was a reallygood 4x that died in order for Stellaris to happen from what I've heard
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They literally do this and have for years.
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Stairmaster posted:Sword of the stars was a reallygood 4x that died in order for Stellaris to happen from what I've heard SOTS was good. SOTS 2 was a complete disaster Given that Paradox's games have always revolved around playing in worlds that already have established settings and pre-positioned powers, they should have licensed Empire of the Fading Suns for their space 4x
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i dont understand, this is just accurate
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I think trying to make 4x games into galaxy nation simulators is a mistake and the compromises to make them work that way do stellaris no favors. Distant Worlds is better, but it's definitely the king of unnecessary detail. The best 4x game out right now is Through the Ages and it's not even close. Panzeh has issued a correction as of 18:27 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Panzeh posted:I think trying to make 4x games into galaxy nation simulators is a mistake and the compromises to make them work that way do stellaris no favors. Yeah while TTA emphasizes some stuff I dont like and doesn't stuff I do, it does a really good job of boiling down a lot of the core decisions of 4x games and crucially making them actually interesting decisions with a defined end goal in a relatively quick game. Plus the AI is actually decent
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gradenko_2000 posted:SOTS was good. SOTS 2 was a complete disaster SOTS 2 was the last game I ever pre-ordered. God drat if SOTS 1 wasn't so loving good as to make it seem like a no-brainer at the time, too.
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the thing i dislike about space 4x games in general is that every thing feels so fractional and incremental, and the ones where you have to design your own units compound that
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Al! posted:i dont understand, this is just accurate I assumed it was a joke about how bad Borderlands 3 is
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etalian posted:The story of his personal assistant raiding the Gearbox company bank account was pretty hilarious. When you're also stealing money from the company you tend to overlook similar actions by other people. 
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Hentai Jihadist posted:Also sorry wiz but that is one thing about stellaris every time I play it, I find something it does horribly and now I want to go play the space game that did that part well sword of the stars 1 is still a good game let us not talk about two
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Hello I am bug man who only knows kinetic weapons and some how got stealth watch out dolphins, I will be there in 30 years
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Stairmaster posted:Play Aurora real time aurora with graphics is pretty much my dream game. if it wasnt a glorified excel sheet it would be incredible
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seriously the tech system and how it combines with ship designing is incredible and puts any other unit designer in a strategy to compete shame
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It really is a shame how crazy they were in development and management and sots 1 was just a fluke
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Third World Reagan posted:that is one thing about stellaris No game has done "imma blow up the entire loving galaxy" quite like the first Star Ruler though. Third World Reagan posted:Hello I am bug man who only knows kinetic weapons and some how got stealth beep boop let us uninstall the meat creatures
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I used to like ship design in space 4x's but then I stopped being a moron and realized that it's a waste of time unless you have a super in-depth combat layer like sots
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I lost all interest in Stellaris when they normalized warp drive systems to be one singular jump drive that maybe sometimes finds hyperlanes rip wormhole generators 
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Modern 4Xs seem caught between their board game roots and their simulation aspirations. Games closer to board games get boring in the mid and late game, while games closer to simulation are sterile and too focused on minutiae. Stellaris tries to do both and, well, it doesn’t do either aspect very well
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silentsnack posted:No game has done "imma blow up the entire loving galaxy" quite like the first Star Ruler though. researching AI as hivers was always the best in multiplayer it is a win win
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