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HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

A

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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
A for now. Prove ourselves as a reliable hard worker who doesn't need to be coddled. Then socialize.

Ripley
Jan 21, 2007

JT Jag posted:

A for now. Prove ourselves as a reliable hard worker who doesn't need to be coddled. Then socialize.

Pretty much this.

Dinictus
Nov 26, 2005

May our CoX spray white sticky fluid at our enemies forever!
HAIL ARACHNOS!
Soiled Meat
All Ways Be Cultivating. And sometimes literally.

Galick
Nov 26, 2011

Why does Khajiit have to go to prison this time?
A because we're looking like a weak fool right now in a clan that values physical might above all else. Friends will be great later, but right now, we're incapable of acting on a base level expected of us. No one will -want- to be friends with us if we're this weak, it'd be obvious that we're just hiding behind them like cowards.

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012

A

Gotta get swole before the other apprentices will even consider socializing with us. Jealous late-lead kids.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
Yeah A

Toughy
Nov 29, 2004

KAVODEL! KAVODEL!

A

Mr. Prokosch
Feb 14, 2012

Behold My Magnificence!
A

We need that Madra or this is going to get way more miserable. Also, too tired to chat. Talk later, gather and cycle hard now.

sotary
Sep 11, 2001
A

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

malbogio posted:

A

Carmenia brought us on because she viewed us as weak but worth forging into something stronger (with literal hammers). If we focus on socializing we're going to continue underperforming as an apprentice and likely disappoint her. Our socializing is less likely to be seen as effective maneuvering than as goofing off. Even Mama told us not to spread ourselves too thin on friendships as they require ongoing upkeep to maintain.

We don't just need to cycle madra through our muscles to be strong enough to perform smith work but also to be strong enough to win any fights. We will continue to be beaten regularly by bullies whether in this apprenticeship or after unless we focus on improving our body.

I'm convinced by malbogio's reasoning and have changed my vote to A too.

Also, I just noted that LLSix has helpfully hinted to us within Option B itself that these teenagers will not be receptive to our socialising:

LLSix posted:

B. socialize with the other Lead-tier apprentices, all of whom are older than you and have been Smith apprentices for many winters

JosephWongKS fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Sep 15, 2019

Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

Protects the Pack!

Doctor Rope
A.

Bremma
Sep 7, 2007

She was a terrible creature and did not deserve our love
A

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




A

Sordas Volantyr
Jan 11, 2015

Now, everybody, walk like a Jekhar.

(God, these running animations are terrible.)
Ya, know, I think I might be Able to pick up on which answer is probably gonna win

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

For the record, I think both choices are equally valid. I try very hard not to have votes on topics where there is an obvious right answer from Pūmič's perspective as demonstrated by previous votes and discussion. I admit that I seem to be in the minority on this vote.

I was 100% planning on having the rest of the smithing lessons in this updates but when I got to this point I could see reasons why you or Pūmič might easily choose either approach.

This post should not be taken as me saying that the currently more popular option is wrong. By options are very much valid and even with the vote being such a landslide, it is still interesting to read why you voted the way you did.

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
To LLSix: I like your repeated usage of "survived X winters" (instead of "is X winters old") when talking about someone's age, as a subtle marker of how tough and precarious life is in the Valley.

Does Pumie have any sense of how high the child mortality rate is among the Silver Bears? Other than Decavo, does she know of anyone around her age range who suddenly stopped appearing at the winter ceremony between one year and the next?

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
edit: wrong thread

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012

JosephWongKS posted:


Does Pumie have any sense of how high the child mortality rate is among the Silver Bears? Other than Decavo, does she know of anyone around her age range who suddenly stopped appearing at the winter ceremony between one year and the next?

Children don't count as part of the clan until they are 4 AND pass the trial, because so many don't make it that far.

Mr. Prokosch
Feb 14, 2012

Behold My Magnificence!
Another observation looking at older posts:

Pumie seems to have super healing powers. A bunch of times she takes big life-threatening beatings that make our parents worry she will die and she pops right back from them. They're surprised at the pace and how she heals without permanent damage or scars. They've blamed it before on Healer Curada's skill, or just shrugged and let the mystery go, but Curada was surprised by it even after treating us and knowing about the potion. It's way too consistent and goes back to when we were a baby.

Each time involves her playing, unwounded, with Wotjeo in her dreams right before she bounces back, so I think it's connected to their dream powers.

Mr. Prokosch fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Sep 15, 2019

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
QUESTION TIME

Voice-Transmitted Techniques

1. Ask Mama: "That time when Elder Curada and I treated the Hunter with maggots in his arm, Elder Curada had summoned me from the caves by "lacing her voice with madra". Are there also madra-techniques to make your voice more persuasive and charming to get even better deals when you talk to people?"

LLSix posted:

When spring arrives, so too does your first patient. You were gathering in Elder Minaro’s lesson cave while Wotjeo cultivated when Healer Curada bellowed from her nearby quarters for you to join her. She must have laced her voice with madra because you can’t normally hear anything while gathering but you could hear Healer Curada all too well. Her summons shook you out of your meditative state and you run as fast as you can through the tunnels to her quarters.

2. Ask Mama and Papa: "Are there madra-techniques for using your voice to stun, confuse, blind or deafen opponents in battle? If so, who would be able to teach them to me?"

3. Ask Mama and Papa: "If there are such techniques, would it be a feasible combat tactic for me to stand back and debuff my opponents with my needles / dragon teeth and my voice techniques while Wotjeo smacks them up-front? And would such a fighting approach be viewed as respectable by other Silver Bears?"

Dr Subterfuge
Aug 31, 2005

TIME TO ROC N' ROLL

Mr. Prokosch posted:

Another observation looking at older posts:

Pumie seems to have super healing powers. A bunch of times she takes big life-threatening beatings that make our parents worry she will die and she pops right back from them. E They're surprised at the pace and how she heals without permanent damage or scars. They've blamed it before on Healer Curada's skill, or just shrugged and let the mystery go, but Curada was surprised by it even after treating us and knowing about the potion. It's way too consistent and goes back to when we were a baby.

ach time involves her playing, unwounded, with Wotjeo in her dreams right before she bounces back, so I think it's connected to their dream powers.

Our dreams with Wotjeo can affect reality and he wants us to heal, so we heal. The most striking example of us healing during a dream is the time that Wotjeo licked our head wound in our dreams and the next day it was better. He looked weaker the next morning, too, like he had used a non-trivial amount of dream madra to do it.

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc
Listen here, Six, you jerk.

I found your ancient smelting video in the midst of a "well, I'll check the thread before I go to bed" mistake and stayed up until nearly 3am watching these Burkina Faso folks be loving awesome. This is your fault somehow.

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012

JosephWongKS posted:

QUESTION TIME

Voice-Transmitted Techniques

1. Ask Mama: "That time when Elder Curada and I treated the Hunter with maggots in his arm, Elder Curada had summoned me from the caves by "lacing her voice with madra". Are there also madra-techniques to make your voice more persuasive and charming to get even better deals when you talk to people?"


2. Ask Mama and Papa: "Are there madra-techniques for using your voice to stun, confuse, blind or deafen opponents in battle? If so, who would be able to teach them to me?"

3. Ask Mama and Papa: "If there are such techniques, would it be a feasible combat tactic for me to stand back and debuff my opponents with my needles / dragon teeth and my voice techniques while Wotjeo smacks them up-front? And would such a fighting approach be viewed as respectable by other Silver Bears?"

You really need to figure out how to phrase your questions like a child would. We are smart, but we aren't an adult used to talking to well educated adults.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Mr. Prokosch posted:

A

We need that Madra or this is going to get way more miserable. Also, too tired to chat. Talk later, gather and cycle hard now.


Timekeeping is not a precise art for Silver Bears. The sun stays in one place throughout the course of the day, and thus provides little indication of how long it will be until night arrives. Worse yet, as a Smith’s apprentice, you spend all day in a cave, where you cannot even tell if it is night or not. As a result of long, grueling effort, you are developing a vague understanding of how quickly the charcoal burns in the bloomery, but the immense and overwhelming physical strain leaves you so groggy that you are entirely reliant on your sifu to let you know when to stop for lunch.

When Carmenia tells you to take a lunch break, you are so tired that you immediately drop whatever you were doing and trudge towards the shared cultivation cave. Sometimes you are the first apprentice to arrive, sometimes you are the last. More often there are already at least a few other apprentices, and more trickle in and out.

You rarely attempt to talk to your fellow apprentices. You tell yourself it is because you are too tired to chat. And you are tired. So tired that you feel it in your bones, and even the days spent with other instructors are not enough to fully restore you before you lessons with Carmenia resume. On the days when you have lessons with her, your muscles scream requests to stop, just please stop moving. Some days your muscles do not scream requests but demands. For the first time in your life, a combination of tiredness, soreness, and yes, pain from over-taxed muscles, means you do not finish all the food provided to you. You are hungry. Hungrier than ever before, but some days you are even more exhausted.

When you have the energy to spare, you exchange a few polite phrases with the only Lead Smith apprentices you know, Lela and her bear brother Joveno. Lela was your first, and kindest, challenger in the fights Carmenia arranged. She beat you, but was friendly about it and talked to you afterward. During lunch, you exchange far fewer words with her than you did after the fight. You are just too tired to talk much you tell yourself.

You do not speak to the other apprentices even that much. They are all much older than you and most of them look to have survived twice as many winters as you have. If you were not so tired, you would find it intimidating. Some glare at you with anger or envy in their eyes. Some ignore you in the same way all teenagers ignore young children. A few, you are not sure how many because you did not pay attention, attempted to commiserate with you or encourage you the first few days. You were so tired you did not acknowledge their attempts beyond basic politeness, and they soon stopped. If they had advice based on their own experiences, you never gave them the opportunity to share it with you. You rationalize your behavior by telling yourself that no one could possibly want to be your friend until you achieve at least the basic level of competency Carmenia has made it crystal clear she expects, even though the older kids were the ones to talk to you. You are too tired to consider that many of your friends, including your best friends, Felero and Amiya, were friendly even before you showed you had anything to offer them.

Instead of talking, and some days, instead of eating, you focus on gathering vital essence for Wotjeo. Cycling madra through your body after pushing it past its limits over and over again is causing far more of the madra to be absorbed into your muscles and other body parts than ever before. With all the extra vital essence you gather, Wotjeo is able to cultivate enough madra to keep you from running out, although some days it is very close. If you had spent time socializing, you surely would have run out of madra before the end of the day frequently. You shy away from imagining how bad things would have been without the relief that feeling your body absorbing madra brings.

It is an agonizing effort to stay up after your lessons with Carmenia to gather and cultivate, yet you and Wotjeo cling to Elder Curada’s instructions and do so every night. Frequently you fall asleep before you finish gathering enough vital essence to fully satisfy Wotjeo’s hunger. When you do, your papa picks you both up and carries you home to tuck you into bed. You are so tired, even being picked up and carried is not enough to wake you or Wotjeo, although sometimes your dreams are troubled until you are home and Arely chases your nightmares away. Even though Wotjeo is bigger than you know, Papa can still carry him effortlessly in one huge arm.

***

Your cultivation lessons are primarily focused on Wotjeo, and your part in them is much like lunch. You gather as much vital essence as you can and feed it to Wotjeo when he is not focused on his lesson from Fierro. Carmenia does have you practice gathering from further away than your arm’s reach. You remember that Bato, Chuno, and Decavo were all taught how to do this by Elder Minaro, but your lessons never covered it, focusing instead on how to gather more swiftly.

The value of Elder Minaro’s instruction is proven again to be worth putting up with his personality. By the end of summer, after more than two seasons of instruction, you have learned how to gather from a cave’s length away from Wotjeo, the same distance Elder Minaro taught his students to be able to gather across in a double handful of mornings.

Carmenia patiently and thoroughly explained what Wotjeo’s lessons from Carmenia’s silver bear brother Fierro would cover as well. She speaks slowly and patiently, pausing after each sentence to make sure you understood before continuing, as she always does. “To shape raw metal into a tool or weapon, a Smith must first saturate it with his or her madra.”

Carmenia places a lump of raw, unshaped copper in front of you. It is smaller than your fist. Your sifu gestures at it and says. “I know you are curious if you have enough madra to be a Smith. Try it now.”

You warn Wotjeo that you are going to be using all your madra and he asks you to wait a moment while he fills up his dantian. You tell Carmenia what’s happening and the two of you wait silently until Wotjeo tells you he’s ready.

You pick up the lump and pour your madra into it the same way you do when using the Hunter’s metal guidance technique on a dragon’s tooth, but you don’t try to mold it or do anything with it. The madra fills up the lump of copper, and Carmenia starts counting slowly. As she does, the madra escapes out of the lump of raw copper. You pour madra in, but by the time Carmenia reaches twenty you are completely out of madra.

You look at your teacher in confusion, “Why did the madra escape from the copper like that? That doesn’t happen when I use a Hunter’s guidance technique on my dragon’s teeth.”

Carmenia picks up the lump of copper and you hear her madra fill it almost instantly. She stops pouring madra in and you can hear it escaping now. “Two reasons. I will demonstrate the first reason. This is what you did.” The lump of copper is almost empty again by the time she finishes talking.

Carmenia pours more madra in. When she stops, the sound of madra escaping is noticeably quieter. “Now I’m going to apply a technique I learned during my miner apprenticeship to harden metal. As you can see... I am sorry, I forgot you hear madra. As you can hear, madra shaped by a technique disperses more slowly.” The lump of madra still has more than half its madra despite Carmenia talking for longer, but it will still not be long before it has all escaped.

Carmenia tries to roll the copper into a ball, but its shape doesn’t change at all. You have seen her shape copper with her bare hands many times before, so this is surprising. “Unfortunately, only metal saturated with unshaped madra can be reshaped. If the madra is already shaped by a technique, it is worse than useless for a Smith. The shaped madra will actively resist being changed and fight to keep the object it is in, in the same shape.”

When her hardening technique wears off she saturates the lump with her madra and effortlessly rolls it into a ball. While she’s rolling it, she tells you, “The second reason is that raw materials do not hold madra well. There are as many theories as to why as there are Smiths. Personally, I think that having a purpose and an identity helps crafted items like your dragon’s teeth hold madra, much like a purposeful technique. Hold a dragon’s tooth up to your ear and listen closely.”

You do as your sifu instructs and draw one of your copper throwing spikes and hold it up to your ear. You can faintly hear a few remnants of your own madra in the spike. Almost hidden behind that and much quieter you hear a staticy sound you don’t recognize.

Carmenia smiles at your expression. “What you heard was the accumulated madra from any techniques used near it and a very small amount of very messy vital essence absorbed from the environment. Over time, objects accumulate vital essence, and if any techniques are used near them, madra. Some Smiths think objects could accumulate enough vital essence to become aware if left alone long enough, but of course, there are far too many spirit animals living in the valley for that to ever happen. Even if there weren’t more advanced spirit companions like the Elders’ brothers and sisters would absorb any significant accumulation of vital essence as soon as it formed in our cave complex.”

While you talked, Carmenia shaped the copper lump into a soup bowl. She sets it down beside her now. “As you saw, right now, Wotjeo can not hold enough madra to suffuse a lump of raw metal long enough for you to make even a bowl or cup, but that’s fine. Most apprentices do not. We’ve developed a cultivation technique that steadily expands the user’s dantian so they can hold more madra. Fierro will be teaching it to your brother.”

***

When you or Wotjeo take over pumping the pot bellows from Carmenia’s silver bear brother Fierro, Fierro drinks deeply from one of the bowls of dulcegachas and water that are always available in the smithy. Big bowls of both are lined up along the front wall, as far from the heat of the bloomery as possible. Dulcegachas is a watery mixture of oatmeal sweetened with honey and bits of fruit when the fruit is in season. Carmenia urges you to drink as much as you can stand, and both her and Fierro drink large quantities of it after working the bellows. Indeed, Carmenia frequently urges you to drink more of it than you want as you are usually too tired to want to eat or drink anything. Your sifu ensures that you drink at least a little during every break. Hunger has been a frequent companion throughout your childhood, and the vigorous physical activity Carmenia demands of you has given it an intensity that you have rarely experienced. You know you should drink more of the dulcegachas than you do, but you are often so tired you do not want to go through even the very small effort of drinking.

One summer day, late in the season, you are so groggy from physical exhaustion that when Carmenia urges you to your feet to resume pumping the bellows you don’t even notice you are still cycling madra through your body. Still-halfway in a meditative state, you lift up and the antelope-skin top strains against the metal band securing it to the pot. Air rushes in. *Whoooooooooooosh* You push your hand down as hard as you can. It is so much easier than you expect and not yet having met the expected resistance, you continue pushing down until you slam your knuckles against the bottom of the copper pot.

Ouch!

That… hurt less than you expected. Fully awake now, you examine your knuckles and they are undamaged. Curious and excited that you might have found a way to make this bearable, you and Wotjeo spend the rest of the day trying to recapture the feeling. By the end of the day, both of you can cycle madra through your whole body while pumping the pot bellows. Your concentration always slips after just a few pumps of the pot bellows, but while it lasts, pumping is much easier, although not effortless.

Cycling madra through your body while doing something uses up a lot of madra and your sifu tells you to stop when you run out of madra, which is much earlier than usual. When you open the bloomery the ores have not been melted properly as a result of your frequently stopping pumping to try to cycle while not meditating. All of the charcoal you used today was wasted and you do not know if the half-melted ores can be salvaged. You stammer out apologies to your sifu.

Carmenia patiently waits for you to finish apologizing and then smiles at you. “It is not a problem. All of our apprentices do the same thing. Now that you have discovered how to cycle madra to your whole body at once, you are ready to learn one of the three core techniques of a Smith, Spirit’s Strength. Spirit’s Strength is the heart of the Smith fighting style. With it, the strength of our spirit enhances our every movement and our attacks land with not just our strength, but that of our spirit companion’s as well. The same applies in reverse, with your brother gaining your strength, which is why it is so important to improve your physical fitness. For now, go home and rest. After morning meditation we’ll head to the shared Lead cultivation cave.”

You are excited to finally learn a real technique, and you go to sleep determined to get up early so you can impress Carmenia by arriving before her.

Despite your determination to get there early, you sleep soundly until Papa wakes you. Your exhausted body demands more rest, but your excitement over the promised lesson allows you to ignore it and hurriedly scarf down everything Papa makes you for breakfast.

After morning meditation you hug your papa goodbye and then follow Carmenia. Usually, she patiently patches her longer strides to the slow pace forced on you by muscles still complaining from the effort of the day before. Today your excitement pushes your bodies complaints aside and even Carmenia’s long legs have to step quickly to keep up with the jog your excitement drives you to, even if you are still too tired to move at your usual sprint.

When you arrive Carmenia tells you. “Sit down and focus on cycling madra through your body. When you think you are ready, stand up and continue cycling for as long as you can.”

You are so excited that the first several times you try it, your focus slips as soon as you stand up. Every time, Carmenia patiently tells you to gather vital essence so Wotjeo can replace the madra used and try again. Finally you are able to repeat what you did yesterday, although you lose focus after just two breathes and stop cycling again.

Your sifu looks pleased and tells you “Good job. You are losing control because your mind and body are going in different directions. Your spirit and body must move in harmony to use the Spirit’s Strength technique. If your mind wanders or your spirit yearns to be doing something other than what your body is, they will work at cross purposes and you will lose the technique. Quiet your thoughts, clear your mind. It sometimes helps to start with slow movements, exactly in time with your breathing. Match your breathing to mine and try again.”

Mr. Prokosch posted:

Sorry, I didn't mean the technique, I meant the lump itself. He said he got help from the Smiths to make it, and since we were talking about shaping metal and Madra leakage I figured she could give us advice on shaping it and maintaining the shape.

At one point during your lesson you remember Elder Minaro tell you that he made your metal shaping practice lump of tin with the help of the Smiths. When you show Carmenia the wildly rich in vital essence lump of tin she raises a hand to shield her eyes and looks away. "There is a lot of vital essence in that. You should warn people before showing them something that shines so brightly. Yes, I remember helping Elder Minaro make that four springs ago. It is a test for you, not for me. I can and will show you a Smith technique this winter that might help you if you work harder than you have been. It is not the whole solution to your test, but it will help you. Now is not the time for that. You should focus on the Spirit's Strength technique today."

***

The Spirit’s Strength technique requires a lot of concentration and an equal amount of madra. Initially, it requires far too much concentration to use in a fight, but your sifu is an expert in it and she quickly teaches you how to maintain focus while cycling it. Your focus improves faster than the technique’s efficiency, and by the end of your lessons you are able to walk, run, and even use another technique like the Hunter’s metal guiding technique at the same time.

The Smith cultivation technique does expand Wotjeo’s dantian, but it does so slowly. By the middle of your eighth winter, you have enough madra to maintain the Spirit’s Strength technique while counting to 36, or 72 if Wotjeo isn’t using it as well, but not one breath more. This may not seem very useful, but you have only just started learning it and are confident that your skill with it will improve with use, practice, or additional training.

LLSix fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Sep 17, 2019

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




Man, that's some excellent strength gain. I think we went from 12 to 17? And we gained in spirit too!

Carmenia is an excellent teacher also.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

JosephWongKS posted:

QUESTION TIME

Voice-Transmitted Techniques

1. Ask Mama: "That time when Elder Curada and I treated the Hunter with maggots in his arm, Elder Curada had summoned me from the caves by "lacing her voice with madra". Are there also madra-techniques to make your voice more persuasive and charming to get even better deals when you talk to people?"

Mama says "There are no techniques to manipulate minds or be more persuasive. It took a lot of time to learn how to be as charming and persuasive as I am. My father and mother were both traders and I spent all of my childhood learning how to negotiate and haggle. If you devoted as much time to socializing with and understanding people as I did, you could do as well. Interacting with people is a skill, like all skills you start out making many mistakes, sometimes painful or humiliating ones, and improve with practice."

JosephWongKS posted:

2. Ask Mama and Papa: "Are there madra-techniques for using your voice to stun, confuse, blind or deafen opponents in battle? If so, who would be able to teach them to me?"
Papa says "No."

At the same time Mama says "Yes."

Mama and Papa look at each other. Mama gestures for Papa to speak first.

Papa says, "I don't know of any Silver Bear techniques that use the voice. You can make your voice louder by shoving madra into it, but it is not very efficient and it is not a technique."

Mama says, "Crystal Butterflies use wind and light techniques. I do not know them, but some of my old clan members could form blades out of wind and cut you with them. Words are movements in the air too, small movements, but I once saw what you would call an Elder cut a tree down using only the wind stirred up by his voice" Mama pauses for effect "and an enormous amount of madra. Much more than I put into a single technique."

Papa says "That doesn't count. It wasn't the Elder's voice, it was the strength of his or her spirit. Using their voice just handicapped them."

Mama hugs Papa and doesn't disagree.

JosephWongKS posted:

3. Ask Mama and Papa: "If there are such techniques, would it be a feasible combat tactic for me to stand back and debuff my opponents with my needles / dragon teeth and my voice techniques while Wotjeo smacks them up-front? And would such a fighting approach be viewed as respectable by other Silver Bears?"
Papa can't hold in a sigh. He gives you a very, very disappointed look. "What do you think I've been training you to do? You're best bet in a fight right now is to distract and delay your opponents by throwing your fei biao dragon's teeth at them and hope Wotjeo can exploit that opening. It is not a very good bet, but unless you are willing to devote much more of your time to learning how to fight than you have been, you are not going to win many fights against opponents at the same tier as you. If you spend enough time practicing your throwing and the technique I taught you, and continue taking lessons from Healer Curada you will eventually be able to throw accurately enough to hit parts of an opponent's body to temporarily disable them, but that is many years away. I've had it done to me and it was terrifying, but I am also very strong and my opponent was foolish enough to get within arm's reach before completely disabling me so I am here and he is not."

"As for respect?" Papa sighs again. "The traditional way to fight for a Silver Bear is to get in close and use your superior strength to crush your enemy. It is traditional because it is the easiest thing to do. If you win despite handicapping yourself, those who are skilled enough to understand you have handicapped yourself will respect you. Those who aren't skilled enough, will respect you for being a Healer. If you choose to become a Smith, you will learn how to use other weapons well enough to defend yourself. If you choose to become a Potion Brewer, they have their own set of tricks that are feared if not as respected as other Paths."

LLSix fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Sep 15, 2019

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
I think we're clear to start socializing soon if we get this madra cycling trick down enough that we aren't practically dead on our feet at all times

Mr. Prokosch
Feb 14, 2012

Behold My Magnificence!
The trick doesn't help us much because we only get about 72 seconds of it before our Madra is tapped. It's temporary super strength, but it's very temporary. What it will do is give us an actual fighting chance against 1 of the 12 or so people lining up to beat up a wounded and exhausted child. It's clear now that the giant hammer Smiths carry is so they can end a fight using super strength before their madra gives out.

I also think the vote covers our attitude for a long while. We're not being sociable, we're being withdrawn and obsessed about techniques again.

I still support Healer, but Curada makes a good point that being stuck in our emergency room / cave for the rest of our life kind of sucks. Good thing the Sky Children are going to come down and turn our world into fire when we become adults so we'll have to explore the wider world.

Mr. Prokosch fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Sep 16, 2019

Dr Subterfuge
Aug 31, 2005

TIME TO ROC N' ROLL
We just got the foundation to massive madra reserves and super strength. We just need time to perfect it. Our brother can use it without us using it, too, right?

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Dr Subterfuge posted:

We just got the foundation to massive madra reserves and super strength. We just need time to perfect it. Our brother can use it without us using it, too, right?

Yes. We'll do an update about how you want to handle your last half season worth of fights, but I think we need to update with the other things you are studying first.

LLSix fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 16, 2019

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012

Do the | and \'s in our stats represent anything?

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

chin up everything sucks posted:

Do the | and \'s in our stats represent anything?

Maybe.

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

LLSix posted:

Yes. We'll do an update about how you want to handle your last half season worth of fights, but I think we need to update with the other things you are studying first.

I'm really interested in the potential combat possibilities presented by Dreamwalking.

If what we do in our dreams can impact the "real world", then could we deliberately enter a state of "lucid dreaming" in the middle of a fight, stab our opponent in the "dream world", and then step back into the real world to see him bleeding out on the ground?

Dr Subterfuge
Aug 31, 2005

TIME TO ROC N' ROLL

chin up everything sucks posted:

Do the | and \'s in our stats represent anything?

The \ always looked like half of an X to me. The | looks like a threshold.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Just three agonizingly long days of pumping the pot bellows for Carmenia has given you a whole new understanding of dedication and determination. With the memory of your lessons with her as well as new stitches and a whole new set of bruises from your second round of fights against teenagers ranging in age from just under twice your age all the way up to some adult farmers three times your age who are still Lead tier to motivate you, you pay much more attention to your Papa’s lessons than you did before the fights.

Papa does not push you as hard as Carmenia does, but you push yourself nearly as hard. Sometimes he has to make you stop and rest to keep you from reopening your wounds from your punishing spars just the day before. You still hate having to collect your dragon’s teeth when you miss, but Mama has started joining you for your lessons when she is not out trading. When she does, dragon’s teeth that miss the tree you are throwing them at are caught by sudden gusts of wind and blown back to land near your feet.

Mama provides no advice on how to refine your metal guiding technique, but does have a lot of advice on your posture, stance, and throwing technique. She is also much more critical than Papa and will make you repeat exercises again and again until you get them correct. Then she compliments you profusely, as if to make up for her earlier criticisms. When you are doing well, she entertains you with stories. You rarely do that well though.

Papa’s approach is much more experiential. He mostly just has you throw your dragon’s teeth, only offering advice when you ask. Your newfound dedication clearly pleases Papa. He remains as encouraging as ever, but you rarely hear him grumbling in disappointment under his breath now. You learn a lot from both of them. Papa’s is more pleasant, except when Mama is telling stories, but you think you probably learn more from Mama.

By the end of summer, you are consistently able to hit the tree, which is larger than Papa, much larger than any of your sparring opponents, from four paces away. Good job! When you first started, you only hit this same tree from a pace closer when you got lucky. You are delighted that you won’t have to chase after the fei biao anymore. You know you still have a long way to go, even at the short starting distances of your spars, you start a full 18 paces apart.

Despite only being able to practice the Hunter’s metal guidance technique Papa showed you three times a day, you are improving with it rapidly. Between the increase in madra from the cultivation technique Fierro is teaching Wotjeo and your own growing skill, you can now use it four times a day.

1) What do you focus on in your remaining time?
A. Continue focusing on your "mundane" throwing skills. This will please papa and mama will be able to help as well.
B. Work on improving your skill with the metal guidance technique in general
C. Work on improving the efficiency of your metal guidance technique so you can use it more often
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LLSix fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Sep 17, 2019

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

C

Being able to use powers efficiently is always good.

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




A

The better our fundamentals with the needles, the less we need to rely on costly abilities. We will be wanting that accuracy anyway, when Elder Curada begins training us with the needles. Also, it means more madra for the Dream Mirror and Spirit's Strength.

malbogio
Jan 19, 2015

A

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Mr. Prokosch
Feb 14, 2012

Behold My Magnificence!
A

Four paces is pathetic and I'm sure we feel good about learning from both our parents at the same time. It's genuine family time that we almost never get.

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