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Rex-Goliath posted:why the gently caress are they even bothering with this defense when he clearly doubled and then tripled down months after the fact? Yeah I have no idea how you can make this argument when he told a reporter "No I literally mean he is a pedophile and tried to marry a child bride." Nobody at the time thought he was throwing out a generic insult; everyone thought he was making a specific claim. The bazingas as the time were speculating that Musk had inside information. The whole "He was just punching back with an insult and not making a claim" was a retcon that came after the lawsuit started. ryde fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Rex-Goliath posted:why the gently caress are they even bothering with this defense when he clearly doubled and then tripled down months after the fact? to drag it out until the legal fees mean that settling for $$ makes more sense than getting a judgement in england for $$$$$ (soon to be $ if bojo gets his way with no deal)
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As an aside, I find it really interesting how quickly the bazingas canned response to the pedo claim changed. I typically don't like to make astroturfing claims but this field doesn't smell much like grass.
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ryde posted:Yeah I have no idea how you can make this argument when he told a reporter "No I literally mean he is a pedophile and tried to marry a child bride." he even went back on that retcon when people asked him about it lmao
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Rex-Goliath posted:why the gently caress are they even bothering with this defense when he clearly doubled and then tripled down months after the fact? it's because musk is a dingus who genuinely believes that he can get out of any problem because he has a big genius brain. his lawyers are probably telling him behind closed doors to stop being so stupid, but he keeps on truckin' because it is completely against his constitution to ever admit he is wrong about anything
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Rex-Goliath posted:why the gently caress are they even bothering with this defense when he clearly doubled and then tripled down months after the fact? "I have a black friend" works, so...
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Sep 16, 2019 17:59
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Reminder that he wanted to walk away from a sweetheart SEC deal because he was a huge loving narcissist who didn't want to admit he did something wrong.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:00
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ryde posted:Yeah I have no idea how you can make this argument when he told a reporter "No I literally mean he is a pedophile and tried to marry a child bride." musk also claimed/implied that he had inside information, to the press no less. and of course his fan club was all "well, there's no way he'd do something like that unless he knew for sure, he's not stupid"
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Sep 16, 2019 18:08
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ron howard voice: elon musk is very stupid
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ryde posted:Reminder that he wanted to walk away from a sweetheart SEC deal because he was a huge loving narcissist who didn't want to admit he did something wrong. reminder that he then broke that agreement, went to court and told the judge he doesn't respect the SEC, and the judge turned to them and said "he's right not to respect you" and wootled out of the courtroom
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Sep 16, 2019 18:10
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Rex-Goliath posted:why the gently caress are they even bothering with this defense when he clearly doubled and then tripled down months after the fact? because an attorney cant give up unless their client lets them, elon doesnt want to admit be lost his temper and made a mistake
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duz posted:because an attorney cant give up unless their client lets them, elon doesnt want to admit be lost his temper and made a mistake plus I mean if you were his attorney you're looking at years, maybe decades of upcoming billable hours so you'd want to gladhand him
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Sep 16, 2019 18:20
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infernal machines posted:musk also claimed/implied that he had inside information, to the press no less. it’s like the Qanon crowd no brain today left unbroke
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Sep 16, 2019 18:21
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the best part was when he directly emailed a reporter, repeated his explicit claim about unsworth, and then when asked for proof of any kind told them to do their own investigation
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Sep 16, 2019 18:24
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Rex-Goliath posted:why the gently caress are they even bothering with this defense when he clearly doubled and then tripled down months after the fact? because his lawyers won't get paid if they don't put on some sort of defense and their client is an idiot who won't let them quietly settle it
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evilweasel posted:because his lawyers won't get paid if they don't put on some sort of defense and their client is an idiot who won't let them quietly settle it i was under the impression you could get in trouble for doing this but i imagine the judge will just give a 'wtf' look at the lawyers and the lawyers will shrug and that'll be the end of it
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Sep 16, 2019 18:39
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lawyers are required to give good faith recommendations but dumb clients aren't required to follow their advice
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Sep 16, 2019 18:48
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you have already fired two rounds into your own feet, reloaded and fired again, there is nothing i can do that will improve this situation
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Sep 16, 2019 18:52
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full declaration is here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6413257/Declaration-Motion-related.pdf just in the second sentence there's a lie cuz he didn't found tesla right? he came in and elbowed out that original guy i thought?
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Sep 16, 2019 18:56
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"it's a common expression in south africa, people used to shout it at my dad all the time"
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:full declaration is here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6413257/Declaration-Motion-related.pdf he literally sued for the right to be called the founder.
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Rex-Goliath posted:i was under the impression you could get in trouble for doing this but i imagine the judge will just give a 'wtf' look at the lawyers and the lawyers will shrug and that'll be the end of it you're allowed to put out an argument with a non-zero chance of success as long as you've got a good faith basis to believe the chance of success is not actually zero if you make enough 2% chance of success arguments, poo poo comes up your way every once in a while. Quinn's reputation as litigators is they'll contest literally everything on that theory (and so they're actually a very good hire if you plan on being completely unreasonable, they're the perfect firm for that sort of thing where you're swinging for the fences) evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:full declaration is here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6413257/Declaration-Motion-related.pdf e: let's play how many layers of hearsay: quote:For instance, before August 28, 2018, Mr. Birchall informed me that the investigator reported that Mr. Unsworth met and began a relationship with his alleged Thai wife when she around twelve years old. Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 19:40
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:full declaration is here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6413257/Declaration-Motion-related.pdf he holds the title of founder, but is not a "founder". it's part of his title, he was declared to be a "founder" but he was not, in fact, a founder of the company technically the word should have been capitalized but that's about it.
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the declaration is fine, it's just musk's many stupid, stupid, stupid decisions that put his lawyers in a bad spot they look to be threading the needle as best they can be given what a moron their client was in writing. need to see the actual motion that goes with it to see exactly how well they do though, the declaration isn't the important point. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 19:46
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also for those who are unaware, Elon did not write a single sentence of that declaration. the lawyers wrote it and told him to sign it.
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Sep 16, 2019 19:51
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let’s see ol musky wriggle out of this mess!
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i don't see the advantage to his case by admitting to defaming the guy being a pedo before getting any private investigators involved. even if it were accurate according to them, he's admitted not having the facts at the point of defamation and based it off of googling the guy and location and tying them together. the case is dead before it hits his alleged evidence created after the issue was made. this is ignoring all of the repeated statements missing in that statement and only going by his word although all of that was public before so i'm guessing you're going with "may as well admit we've got nothing and hope the other party runs out of money by pointing out every issue" evilweasel posted:also for those who are unaware, Elon did not write a single sentence of that declaration. the lawyers wrote it and told him to sign it. e: agreed that the declaration is a minor point but i've not seen the rest of the filings and want to sink my teeth into them now
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Sep 16, 2019 19:56
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i really want to see the deposition video. something tells me he wouldn't do well being instructed and directed by a lawyer and not being able to do anything about it.
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Sep 16, 2019 19:57
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lmao at how careful he is to note that hearsay reached him before he authored those emails definitely “before August 28” Christ, what an rear end in a top hat
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:just in the second sentence there's a lie cuz he didn't found tesla right? he came in and elbowed out that original guy i thought? he isn't a founder of paypal either. for both companies, he insisted that the contract that brought him on board have a part that says like "from this day forward the company and all the founders are required to call me a founder too, forever and ever, amen"
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founder: (intransitive) Of a ship, to fill with water and sink. (intransitive) To fall; to stumble and go lame, as a horse. (intransitive) To fail; to miscarry.
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As much as this seems a slam-dunk case for Unsworth, Musk is also a rich American and so I'm not hopeful that the US justice system will do the right thing. I'm hoping he doesn't manage to wriggle out of this.
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ryde posted:As much as this seems a slam-dunk case for Unsworth, Musk is also a rich American and so I'm not hopeful that the US justice system will do the right thing. I'm hoping he doesn't manage to wriggle out of this. american law is, deliberately, not very favorable to slander/libel claims but this seems like it might get over the hump
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Soricidus posted:let’s see ol musky wriggle out of this mess! ah, well, nevertheless evilweasel posted:american law is, deliberately, not very favorable to slander/libel claims but this seems like it might get over the hump i would certainly be  to read the judgement in favour of musk
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Sep 16, 2019 23:09
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Isn't he being sued in the uk
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us first, then if you clear that higher bar you get to go ham with the more permissive uk rules. elon, "this guys fucks children. i'm not saying this as a twitter hot take i've done research and for sure he actually does this and it's imperative that i elon musk be the one to spread the word' musk is in some trouble now!
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https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1173713813859971073 lol he spent $50k (at least) digging for some dirt to prove cave guy was a paedo e: the story is now that the "investigator" they hired was a scam artist who took them for a ride https://twitter.com/jordan_mcrae_/status/1173743566226624513 FMguru fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:Isn't he being sued in the uk us courts will not enforce a UK libel/slander judgment because their standards for what's libel/slander are so ludicrously low, and musk's assets are in the US
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