Cornuto posted:Did you leave off a "not" in there on mistake, or is this accurate? There was no mistake. If people think about it, you are generally said to be some long lost descendant of Enkidu instead of you know, an Atharan?
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Zurai posted:I, for one, do not see anything wrong with this. We're already pretty much an anime character, complete with power up sequence (I mean, we totally did groan and yell and shout until we exploded into a giant pillar of fire at Acco). I don't think you've ever overcome a foe with the power of friendship? Also, you uh, killed all those people at Acco, though I suppose that would fit into some anime...
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Sep 19, 2019 20:55
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Diogines posted:I don't think you've ever overcome a foe with the power of friendship? Also, you uh, killed all those people at Acco, though I suppose that would fit into some anime... we almost managed it with once-consort, to be fair
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Sep 19, 2019 20:57
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Diogines posted:I don't think you've ever overcome a foe with the power of friendship? Also, you uh, killed all those people at Acco, though I suppose that would fit into some anime... We had a magical-girl transformation sequence after meeting Azzazel when he hit us with a mystic swirly that restyled our hair and gave us a cool new skirt.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:03
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Olothreutes posted:Tudes is fine with a club as a weapon. I forget who but someone pointed out very early that Tudiya uses things like a club. Like a leg he tore off a monster. A club is maybe not as prestigious as a spear for tradition reasons, but it's way more respectable than a bow. I don't think we have to transition to a great sword to earn dad points. Didn't he try to dissuade us from using the club, saying it wasn't the weapon of our people, before he started training us? I don't think it's a major issue with him, but I'm pretty sure he'd prefer we use a more traditional weapon, all other things being equal. I doubt he's unhappy with our combat performance or anything.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:03
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It's accurate and part of the issue; we shouldn't encourage it or we might get (more) worship.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:03
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Cornuto posted:We had a magical-girl transformation sequence after meeting Azzazel when he hit us with a mystic swirly that restyled our hair and gave us a cool new skirt. Magical Girl Enkidu Black?
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Sep 19, 2019 21:08
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SerSpook posted:Magical Girl Enkidu Black?  Avatar idea: this but with Enkidel's giant goofy rear end.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:11
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One of the biggest reasons imo for us to stick with clubs is we still have the behemoth bone club that we can't break the actual bone part of it yet. The blooded bronze breaks off over time but the bone itself hasn't cracked at all despite all the swinging we've done with it, hell not even Tudiya could outright smash Behemoth bones and that was using it as a impromptu weapon smashing it into everything around.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:12
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Diogines posted:I don't think you've ever overcome a foe with the power of friendship? We've certainly tried! quote:Also, you uh, killed all those people at Acco, though I suppose that would fit into some anime... Berserk...
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Sep 19, 2019 21:13
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Diogines posted:I don't think you've ever overcome a foe with the power of friendship? We would have been hunger demoned/flesh carted/somehow deaded by now if it wasn't for the extremely strong friendship between us, Paebel, Uriah, Gereb, and the rest of our Balls.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:14
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Zurai posted:I'm not sure how much club use would actually translate to greatsword use. They're not really that similar. Among other things, using it like a club is completely wasting the potential of a long blade with a sharp tip being used as a thrusting weapon and greatly extending our reach. For another, a metal sword is going to weigh a LOT less than a metal (or similarly dense/heavy) club of similar proportions. A Mercy Greatsword will weigh a fraction of what Mercy does. That difference in weight, especially in balance (swords are weighted most heavily towards the hilt, while clubs are generally weighted most heavily towards the head) means that you have to use them differently. Regarding how well the skills translate, I'm just going by Enkidel's assessment as an expert monster hunter/warrior from one of the timeskips (quoted below). I'm not sure why we would ever build a mercy greatsword either? We have Mercy already, why change that? The greatsword would be a replacement for the existing behemoth bone club, not Mercy. As such, I'm not sure the weight differential matters much. We are strong enough to fire our bow while tucking Mercy under our arm and doing feats of acrobatics. Keeping a tight grip on the club and the blade would most likely mean we wouldn't even notice the weight difference, because neither our Behemoth club or the greatsword are going to weigh even slightly close to enough for their weight to really matter to us. Diogines posted:Ee. Ed., but I make something else instead. A greatsword. I suspect most of my skill with a club would translate well into a greatsword, a weapon which would also allow me to parry even better and make faster blows than my club. Tudiya does not have one which is sturdy enough to let me use it at my full strength. Maybe I can make one?
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Zodiac5000 posted:Keeping a tight grip on the club and the blade would most likely mean we wouldn't even notice the weight difference, because neither our Behemoth club or the greatsword are going to weigh even slightly close to enough for their weight to really matter to us. No. Just no. It's not really about the weight, it's about the balance. Try swinging a broom around while gripping it near the top and waving the head around, then switch your grip so that you're gripping just above the bristles and swinging the other end around. The weight of the object is identical, but the way it reacts to your force is totally different.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:26
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Kill all animes, including Enkidel Og was pure from this corruption. THIS IS YOUR FAULT GOONS
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Enkidel is so strong that he could swing literally any shape of item around and that item is not going to react differently solely because of how strong his grip/wrist/arms are. I don't think it matters if he puts the 100 pound weight on the end of a stick versus the base of a stick. The weapon 'reacting' to enkidel is irrelevant, because the force the weapon can exert on his hand/wrist/arm is so absolutely minute either way. like redistributing a feather on a twig you find outside. No matter where you put that feather it makes no difference when you swing the twig, because the weight is not meaningfully able to impact your arm. edit - basically, every single weapon is sorta like a lightsaber to Enkidel, I wager. Club, sword, mace, hammer, whatever. As long as the weapon doesn't tear itself apart when he swings (which is most of the problem we run into nowadays), the weapon's weight does not play into whereever or however enkidel wants to swing it. Zodiac5000 fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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Diogines posted:I don't think you've ever overcome a foe with the power of friendship? Ibleam comes pretty close, though.
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Zodiac5000 posted:Enkidel is so strong that he could swing literally any shape of item around and that item is not going to react differently solely because of how strong his grip/wrist/arms are. I don't think it matters if he puts the 100 pound weight on the end of a stick versus the base of a stick. The weapon 'reacting' to enkidel is irrelevant, because the force the weapon can exert on his hand/wrist/arm is so absolutely minute either way. like redistributing a feather on a twig you find outside. No matter where you put that feather it makes no difference when you swing the twig, because the weight is not meaningfully able to impact your arm. That's not how anything works Try swinging a butterknife like a hammer
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Zodiac5000 posted:Didn't he try to dissuade us from using the club, saying it wasn't the weapon of our people, before he started training us? I don't think it's a major issue with him, but I'm pretty sure he'd prefer we use a more traditional weapon, all other things being equal. I doubt he's unhappy with our combat performance or anything. I'm sure there's more back here, but I found these so far: Diogines posted:Ishamal, on the club: "I think that a club is a weapon to suit you well." Diogines posted:It is, as you already knew, the weapon of Enkidu. It is not a particularly prestigious weapon but one which is said to be easy to learn and a good fit for strong men. Chait points out to you that when Tudiya tears the limbs from beasts uses them as a weapon, he uses them... like a club. Diogines posted:Tudiya on clubs and Enkidel: "The spear is the weapon of Labaras and of heroes my son, but you are the one who will face your own dangers, I will not face your dangers, you must pick a weapon you favor. I think a maul might serve you better, or perhaps a club." So it's known to not be particular prestigious but works well for strong men, including Tudes, and Ishamal thinks it'd be a good choice for us? Victis posted:That's not how anything works Imagine that both the butterknife and the hammer are made of balsa wood and are nearly imperceptible in your hand, your insane strength rendering something like center of mass totally irrelevant? Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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the power of friendship was also handy with Warad and Nikall and King Pal and Khasis and the Kazdack Party we haven't converted anyone who used to hate us into a friend yet iirc though, rip Samson and OnceConsort admittedly, if you're not Jesbaam or Tent Demon, you don't usually survive a violent confrontation with Enkidel
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oh we did convert Goliath until El got him
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Zodiac5000 posted:Enkidel is so strong that he could swing literally any shape of item around and that item is not going to react differently solely because of how strong his grip/wrist/arms are. I don't think it matters if he puts the 100 pound weight on the end of a stick versus the base of a stick. The weapon 'reacting' to enkidel is irrelevant, because the force the weapon can exert on his hand/wrist/arm is so absolutely minute either way. like redistributing a feather on a twig you find outside. No matter where you put that feather it makes no difference when you swing the twig, because the weight is not meaningfully able to impact your arm. I realize that Enkidel is a muscle-wizard who can fly, but physics still has some sort of a grasp on the world, and once again, just because we're strong doesn't mean where the weight on the object we're swinging is doesn't matter. To make the point, consider your shoe string; if you tie a 5 ounce weight to one end, the shoestring will react very differently if you wave it around by the weighted end or the unweighted end. That is made more obvious because the string isn't rigid, but the same basic principles apply to more rigid objects as well.
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Waci posted:Ibleam comes pretty close, though. Friendship and Incredible Amounts of Violence. 
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I think you're looking at this too much in terms of human capability and not in terms of Enkidel capability. If you put a broom in a metal vice grip designed to bend titanium or something and have machine arm swing it around, it does not matter which end of the broom is up, handle or brush. There will be no difference whatever to the machine's path because the balance of the item is measured in units of force so small the machine wont' even notice. Enkidel is that machine. We could swing literally any shape, at all, and as long as it isn't weighing in the tens of thousands of pounds, its balance or weight is completely irrelevant to how we can or want to move it.
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Zodiac5000 posted:I think you're looking at this too much in terms of human capability and not in terms of Enkidel capability. If you put a broom in a metal vice grip designed to bend titanium or something and have machine arm swing it around, it does not matter which end of the broom is up, handle or brush. There will be no difference whatever to the machine's path because the balance of the item is measured in units of force so small the machine wont' even notice. Enkidel is that machine. We could swing literally any shape, at all, and as long as it isn't weighing in the tens of thousands of pounds, its balance or weight is completely irrelevant to how we can or want to move it. And you're just looking at the object as a single uniform weight without dimensions. Taking my shoestring example, the weighted end will wrap around objects much more easily than the non-weighted end, regardless of the force used to swing it. EDIT: Also, it very much matters to the thing we're hitting whether we hit with the head of the hammer or the shaft, as an example. Weight distribution and shape matter regardless of strength. If it didn't, every Mighty Melee Weapon would just be a stick. Zurai fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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Zurai posted:I, for one, do not see anything wrong with this. We're already pretty much an anime character, complete with power up sequence (I mean, we totally did groan and yell and shout until we exploded into a giant pillar of fire at Acco). KAAAA MEEEEE HAAAAA MEEEEEEEEEEE *PFPFFFFFFFRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTT*
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I mean we already did a kamehameha at Acco, just straight up into the sky; gave some minos a heartattack over the sheer anime of it
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Diogines posted:Friendship and Incredible Amounts of Violence. Where can I find more of this?
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There Bias Two posted:Where can I find more of this? at *checks watermark* shencomix.com
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TK-42-1 posted:at Oh. Right. Didn't see it on my phone.
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There Bias Two posted:Where can I find more of this?
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Olothreutes posted:So it's known to not be particular prestigious but works well for strong men, including Tudes, and Ishamal thinks it'd be a good choice for us? Eldammit we could have been Black Thor 
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Next update will either be tomorrow or possibly the earlier half of Saturday. But not tonight, sorry folks.
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Do we know why Enkidel hasn't been smited by team el yet when he made those arrows from his blood?
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There's something weird going on with blood. Amok was big on blood, but it was sort of his blood? Did he make the trees out of his own blood? Dunno how the monument rules interact with this but iirc it had a tone more along the lines of severely forbidding more predatory or exploitative blood acts in particular.
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Polgas posted:Do we know why Enkidel hasn't been smited by team el yet when he made those arrows from his blood? I think we were spared because we went into a trance and woke up with poo poo made from our own blood and immediately buried it. We did exactly the right thing to do in that circumstance and followed all the laws required. It’s the equivalent of getting let off of a murder charge because of self defense.
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Maybe the ban on using blood was because of the ridiculous amount of power inherent in old tales level blood. We can almost guess that Flies-straight-chan was made of blood due to its form and color. How it got the crazy AI poo poo I have 0 ideas on, but the fact that it looked like frozen blood should probably be a big flag about why it’s not allowed anymore. AAAAHHHHHH Diog give us a sourcebook or something whenever you get bored of doing this. I will pay you so much money for it.
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I thought about it as getting off with a warning but then i remember that cannibalism story. The guy didn't even know but he still got smote.
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TK-42-1 posted:Maybe the ban on using blood was because of the ridiculous amount of power inherent in old tales level blood. We can almost guess that Flies-straight-chan was made of blood due to its form and color. How it got the crazy AI poo poo I have 0 ideas on, but the fact that it looked like frozen blood should probably be a big flag about why it’s not allowed anymore. obviously if we created arrows or anything else completely from our own blood we would have complete control of their form and everything about them. Would this be like Sauron and the rings? I don't know, and I suspect actually the answer is no, but I'm basically convinced if we were to make something out of our own body it would be exactly as we desire it to be. Remember we also "create blood quickly" and that's hell of a really weirdly specific thing that I think isn't merely just "oh you won't go into shock if a somewhat big vein gets chopped." If the blood contained a limited resource such as SPIRIT-spirit that we sorta have the theory we have a limited amount of, it would either be a very small amount, or... idk like we could decide the amount? Also look at the weapons made from the first demons. Mega poo poo. Top tier ultra legends. Made from their substance. The weapons made from Leviathan were specifically made out of its blood, in part. The southern demons and monsters are all way totally into blood. The border and the monument explicitly says quit loving with blood or get ultra dead, at least in some ancient context we don't fully know, if not every context ever. Probably we could make something out of ourselves. Would it be a good idea? Eeeeh I am not eager to try it just yet, personally. There's probably a right and wrong way to making stuff such as the laurels -- in the El approved sense, the "this is good and not bad" sense, and in the most efficient best workmanship sense. IMO we just aren't old enough yet for me to vote for loving around with that. Especially cause Ish said when we are old man we're gonna be super pissed at ourselves for being so wasteful in our youth. Blood has something in it and there's something to it, and it can be extremely powerful and extremely verboten and bad. And it may be related to the soil, there are multiple connections between the two. But i'm not really certain exactly how it works. Blood, land, spirit, worship... all these things are somehow related to each other.
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