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El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBYp1SbrbkQ

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Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Is it a dream or a nightmare?

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Rageaholic posted:

Is it a dream or a nightmare?

This one was especially cryptic lol

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

The problems of our entire society are of a sexual nature!

e: Our first time hearing from Gordon Cole!

Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 22, 2019

Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


what do you suppose the symbolism of having a domino suggests about a person? Having dice (fuzzy or han solo edition) is obvious in terms of a gambler. Having a domino is something else...like you fit into places conveniently (actual dominoes), or you're gonna knock over a bunch of other pieces that someone has set up.

e: I love Ed and Norma

Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Sep 22, 2019

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Four through the eyes, one through each nostril. :blastu:

Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


I crack up every time James tells Donna that his father didn't die...but that he was *deep solemn inhale* a musician

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Audrey’s cartoony even for this show. Ben should be making her see Dr. Jacobi with all that daytime sensual dancing.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

"Laura used to say her mother was kind of spooky." :stare:

Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


the presence of so many northern european businessmen makes me wonder if that's just an actual narrative reflecting development during the 80's/90's or if there is more there. Briggs mentions the possible continued "vestigial" interest in their mythologies. Giants with mastery over fire/thunder, the arctic, the north, nazis...there's a lot there already. Mark Frost has always been way more aware of conspiracies and their history and I always wondered how much intention he dropped in that was then directed more ambiguously.

Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Sep 22, 2019

limp dick calvin
Sep 1, 2006

Strepitoso. Vedete? Una meraviglia.

Peacoffee posted:

the presence of so many northern european businessmen makes me wonder if that's just an actual narrative reflecting development during the 80's/90's or if there is more there. Briggs mentions the possible continued "vestigial" interest in their mythologies. Giants with mastery over fire/thunder, the arctic, the north, nazis...there's a lot there already. Mark Frost has always been way more aware of conspiracies and their history and I always wondered how much intention he dropped in that was then directed more ambiguously.

I've been considering the presence of "others" in the show this watch through. Norwegians, the German waitress, sure. But Coop is an other and to an extent I'd say Hawk is too. That's not thinking about lodges. I don't think I have a good thesis or point but I think it's interesting to consider with the return in mind.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

A lot of people at the time took the Norwegians to be a bizarro non-sequitur take on then-current cultural anxieties about Japan culturally and economically dominating the United States, which also shows up in a certain goofy costume we see in season two.

AstroWhale
Mar 28, 2009
^Yeah, goofy is an understatement.
Is that the episode with the Alpaca? Could I get a high res screenshot of Cooper looking at it?
Edit, because Life sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNgQJ0J0WUo

AstroWhale fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Sep 22, 2019

And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?

I love how Donna and James casually decide to not help the police here because apparently "this is about us".


Peacoffee posted:

what do you suppose the symbolism of having a domino suggests about a person? Having dice (fuzzy or han solo edition) is obvious in terms of a gambler. Having a domino is something else...like you fit into places conveniently (actual dominoes), or you're gonna knock over a bunch of other pieces that someone has set up.

e: I love Ed and Norma

At first you might think he's carrying it around to remind himself that he wants to be part of society again. Once Josie sees it, you realise that it implies some kind of threat, though. Hank comes off as such a sleazeball immediately, too. Just sucking on that thing. His problems surely are of a sexual nature.

Josie grabs her throat like some characters in The Return here. The casino manager for example.


Rageaholic posted:

"Laura used to say her mother was kind of spooky." :stare:

Also, the arm Philip Gerard lost had "mom" written on it?


AstroWhale posted:

Is that the episode with the Alpaca? Could I get a high res screenshot of Cooper looking at it?

It sure is. The entire vet scene is just so good. Hawk high fives some random biker, Harry pets a critter and Cooper has his retraumatising encounter with the alpaca. The slogan on the sign is completely baffling, as well: "Aid to the beast incarnate." Makes the vet sound like Doctor Dolittle or something.

Could I still get a screencap of that intersection from last week's episode? I badly need it for personal reasons. :ohdear:

And More fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Sep 22, 2019

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
Don't have time for the rewatch, but I stumbled across this photo of a transistor from Bell Labs in 1947 and was shocked :v: by how much it looks like one of Lynch's sculptures.

Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


Lester Shy posted:

Don't have time for the rewatch, but I stumbled across this photo of a transistor from Bell Labs in 1947 and was shocked :v: by how much it looks like one of Lynch's sculptures.



Given how he works it's not surprising that he's maybe internalized the architecture of mid-century computer/machine/electronic equipment, almost to the point that it would look less like it were he fully conscious of it. It's a mixed blessing that he operates that way artistically imo.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

AstroWhale posted:

^Yeah, goofy is an understatement.
Is that the episode with the Alpaca? Could I get a high res screenshot of Cooper looking at it?
Edit, because Life sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNgQJ0J0WUo

And More posted:

Could I still get a screencap of that intersection from last week's episode? I badly need it for personal reasons. :ohdear:
What scene was that? I was scrubbing through the episode and didn't see it.

And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?

Rageaholic posted:

What scene was that? I was scrubbing through the episode and didn't see it.

it's around the halfway point. Right after the funeral, and before Shelly does her Leland impression.

AstroWhale
Mar 28, 2009

Thanks.

zelah
Dec 1, 2004

Diabetes, you are not invited to my pizza party.
I’ve been watching the X-Files lately in addition to this, and it’s incredible how modern season 1 of it seems compared to season 1 or 2 of TP despite being so close together. I’m sure a lot of it is Lynch’s stylistic choices, but it’s jarring

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

And More posted:

it's around the halfway point. Right after the funeral, and before Shelly does her Leland impression.
This one?

Jeremiah Flintwick
Jan 14, 2010

King of Kings Ozysandwich am I. If any want to know how great I am and where I lie, let him outdo me in my work.



zelah posted:

I’ve been watching the X-Files lately in addition to this, and it’s incredible how modern season 1 of it seems compared to season 1 or 2 of TP despite being so close together. I’m sure a lot of it is Lynch’s stylistic choices, but it’s jarring

It's the cell phones.

And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?


Yes, that's the one. Thank you!

zelah
Dec 1, 2004

Diabetes, you are not invited to my pizza party.

Zartosht posted:

It's the cell phones.

I know I didn’t actually say this in my post, but I meant the cinematography. Clothing/technology/setting wise Lynch is basically shooting a period piece, so that part I expect to look dated, but just the way the x files is filmed, and I assume the effort that went into the HD transfers, make it seem like it was made 15 years later instead of 2.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

zelah posted:

I know I didn’t actually say this in my post, but I meant the cinematography. Clothing/technology/setting wise Lynch is basically shooting a period piece, so that part I expect to look dated, but just the way the x files is filmed, and I assume the effort that went into the HD transfers, make it seem like it was made 15 years later instead of 2.

I think it comes down to both Lynch having a very distinctive style that’s very much rooted in more “classic” Hollywood, and TV in general was going under a very drastic shift stylistically between the late 80s and early 90s.

AstroWhale
Mar 28, 2009
Did anyone else read Room to Dream?
Now, the sweeping scene makes scene. Also I hope he doesn't cheat on all of his wives. I am up to the part where he is making Elephant Man, and it reads more like a standard biography now.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

https://youtu.be/BNgQJ0J0WUo

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I only just caught up on the episode, I had completely forgotten about the vet's office (despite the llama) even though it's what gives them the reason they need to go to Jacque's place.

I like how both the (to this point) main suspects in the murder - Leo and Ben - are now shown to have a prior relationship. It's interesting the double-take Ben gives when he sees the body and how carefully he tries to mask how unsettled he is by Leo's casual attitude towards murder. It still feels like they were trying to really push the idea of Leo as the murderer to the point that it is extremely obvious he isn't.

I do love how the show isn't at all ashamed of playing up the fact that for all its style, great writing/acting etc it is on the surface level at least a soap opera, and has that show-within-a-show soap opera playing on the television while the "real world" is way loving crazier than anything going on in television.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
The Mr. Jackpots lady died :(

Hunter Leopardson
Dec 24, 2002

Don't be a jerk my friend
Could be something........

https://twitter.com/horrormuseum/status/1177654985863024640

Mr.Acula
May 10, 2009

Billions and billions of fat clouds

My uncle works at nintendo and they are making a twin peaks game

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Agent Cooper stumbles on the road, confused, what year is it? He doesn't know, for the first time he's uncertain.... and then a reassuring hand is placed on his shoulder. It's the REAL Sheriff Truman and he's come to save the day :shobon:

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u5vhdpXs9g

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Lol that personal ad, "Ladies cum first". A little out on the edge for early 90s broadcast TV I'd think

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Leland cry-dancing so everyone cry-dances!

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

I'd forgotten how spooky that cabin is. Very Black Lodge-lite.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

El Jeffe posted:

I'd forgotten how spooky that cabin is. Very Black Lodge-lite.
There's always music in the air!

AstroWhale
Mar 28, 2009
No mention of Linda Porter's death? A shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NPG2Fb0iy8

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Literally less than ten posts above you

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I think, outside of maybe a couple of pauses where the mask slips momentarily, this is the first episode where Bobby breaks down and has a genuine, heartfelt reaction instead of trying to put on a tough-guy act? It immediately made me think of how quick he is to express himself in The Return, and how he has basically had the opposite life-path to Shelly where he has grown and changed as a person while she effectively remains exactly the same.

Similarly, I really like that Audrey breaks down sobbing during the crazy dance, especially considering her laughing reaction to seeing her father in the act of cheating. I think it's because she's seeing somebody being open and honest for a change only for it to be turned into a farce by her father to protect his investment, and that is what really upsets her. She's used to the phonies, she's used to bullshit and lies (and uses them herself, like when she blackmails the manager of the Department store) but here she actually sees truth for once, and seeing that actively turned on its head right before her is just too much for her to deal with.

I love that The Log Lady continually dunks on Cooper, and everybody else admonishes him for not getting with the program fast enough. It's a great 180 on the usual set-up where Cooper is the weirdo leading them through the odd stuff. It helps that we so recently learned that Truman and Hawk etc have a long history with the strangeness of the town, of course they're privy to things that Cooper simply can't be even with all his experience. Also goddamn her dialogue is so loving ominous, I had forgotten all about the owls, and "the owls can't see us here" is a hell of a line, as is "fire is the devil hiding like a coward in the smoke."

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Sep 29, 2019

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