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They are specifically designed to target children and give them gambling addictions, but go off y'all.
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A full $60 game absolutely doesn't need to further be commoditized (especially one that is guaranteed to sell millions). It is just pure greed and should be fought against.
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Sep 27, 2019 23:52
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But what if I told you we could be making more money? We've got
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Sep 27, 2019 23:57
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Broose posted:A full $60 game absolutely doesn't need to further be commoditized (especially one that is guaranteed to sell millions). It is just pure greed and should be fought against. While I do not like loot boxes games have not increased in price for like 30 years. You should be paying over $150 for a game by now. Saying something that that has not increased in price while costs and time to produce said game have increased exponentially should not have other avenues of revenue is shortsighted.
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Sep 28, 2019 00:02
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jabro posted:While I do not like loot boxes games have not increased in price for like 30 years. You should be paying over $150 for a game by now. Saying something that that has not increased in price while costs and time to produce said game have increased exponentially should not have other avenues of revenue is shortsighted. Games actually cost more 20-30 years ago.
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Sep 28, 2019 00:06
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Yeah I remember my parents paying 109 or something for Sonic 3 when I was in the childrens hospital getting my tonsils out. 109. For a 5 minute platformer.
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Sep 28, 2019 00:11
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Yeah, you used to have to go a physical store, and buy a physical game expansion, and that thing probably cost like 35-40 bucks, and that's not adjusted for inflation.Mr Hootington posted:They are specifically designed to target children and give them gambling addictions, but go off y'all. It's funny that people think this is somehow a new thing Also, lol at "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" arguments about loot boxes for games that are just chock full of hyper-real interactive violence.
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Sep 28, 2019 00:12
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Mr Hootington posted:They are specifically designed to target children and give them gambling addictions, but go off y'all. I got called a libertarian last time I said this in another thread, but if a parent is buying their kids games that are clearly rated 17+ and then also giving them access to their credit card for some inexplicable reason, the onus is at least partially (mostly) on the parent as far as I'm concerned. I'm not defending loot boxes. They suck and they are slimey and I'd love to see them gone as much as the next guy, but the world is full of poo poo like this and I don't get why people are so passionate about loot boxes, like they are any different than other dumb stuff like trading cards or capsule toys or whatever. I guess I don't get when everyone became a helpless victim. I spent most of my childhood asking to buy excessive amounts of dumb worthless garbage and being told "no" for it. Game systems and phones even have advanced options that make it so you can lock your kids out of spending money. Like, you aren't entirely wrong or anything, but there is stuff like that everywhere and it extends way past games or even just targeting kids. And while two wrongs don't make a right, the reality is that kids don't have any money, and if you are caving to their every whim and they are developing a gambling addiction, you are probably loving up as a parent. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Sep 28, 2019 00:25
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veni veni veni posted:I got called a libertarian last time I said this in another thread, but if a parent is buying their kids games that are clearly rated 17+ and then also giving them access to their credit card for some inexplicable reason, the onus is at least partially (mostly) on the parent as far as I'm concerned. I'm not defending loot boxes. They suck and they are slimey and I'd love to see them gone as much as the next guy, but the world is full of poo poo like this and I don't get why people are so passionate about loot boxes, like they are any different than other dumb stuff like trading cards or capsule toys or whatever. 
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Sep 28, 2019 00:37
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veni veni veni posted:I got called a libertarian last time I said this in another thread, but if a parent is buying their kids games that are clearly rated 17+ and then also giving them access to their credit card for some inexplicable reason, the onus is at least partially (mostly) on the parent as far as I'm concerned. I'm not defending loot boxes. They suck and they are slimey and I'd love to see them gone as much as the next guy, but the world is full of poo poo like this and I don't get why people are so passionate about loot boxes, like they are any different than other dumb stuff like trading cards or capsule toys or whatever. this is a good post
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Sep 28, 2019 00:53
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Every single COD in the last 4 years or so waits a few months before properly introducing P2W weapons and really lovely loot box practices. If I remember correctly you used to annihilate entire teams with that loot box shotgun/sniper in IW.
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Sep 28, 2019 01:23
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Manxome Foe posted:If I remember correctly you used to annihilate entire teams with that loot box shotgun/sniper in IW. No it's okay, they nerfed it- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBSx7binB-8 
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veni veni veni posted:I got called a libertarian last time I said this in another thread, but if a parent is buying their kids games that are clearly rated 17+ and then also giving them access to their credit card for some inexplicable reason, the onus is at least partially (mostly) on the parent as far as I'm concerned. I'm not defending loot boxes. They suck and they are slimey and I'd love to see them gone as much as the next guy, but the world is full of poo poo like this and I don't get why people are so passionate about loot boxes, like they are any different than other dumb stuff like trading cards or capsule toys or whatever. This is excellently put. My son is getting old enough now that he's asking for robux to spend in Roblox. I had to setup the parental controls on his tablet and lock down his laptop so he couldn't buy poo poo. It's MY responsibility as a parent to ensure that he's playing responsibly. I'm neutral on loot boxes, though. I've spent a few bucks here and there on them. If you don't like them, don't buy them.
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Really weird that we can have an argument if it's ok to put weapons you have to pay money for in a multiplayer game. That would have been a total joke 10 years ago.jabro posted:While I do not like loot boxes games have not increased in price for like 30 years. You should be paying over $150 for a game by now. Saying something that that has not increased in price while costs and time to produce said game have increased exponentially should not have other avenues of revenue is shortsighted. I don't think for any successful games it's ever been necessary to have lootboxes. The margins are so much better, it used to be estimated about $30 to get an official cartridge made and then you got a crappy margin off a physical retailer. According to an article from a 1995 magazine the margin for publishers was 15-25% on a SNES game, depending if there was a license, marketing and royalties. Now they are getting something like 70% from digital sales on Live/PSN? 90% on PC if you have your own store? Saying that they're obviously going to have to make some profit to cover unsuccessful or cancelled titles, although a lot of games that we think were flops actually made profit. I had a check and EA and Activision are making 200%+ increase year-over-year on net profit which suggests they don't need lootboxes to function as a business, they need them to buy gold plated toilets. If they do anything with this money it's not going to be making cool new games. It's going to be trying to make the next FIFA Ultimate Team. Yeah at the end of the day it's pointless to argue about because 90% of the audience doesn't care and if every series "veteran" boycotted the game they'd still make two billion dollars but I don't think we should go around saying poo poo doesn't stink. Carecat fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Sep 28, 2019 01:47
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Loot boxes are designed to exploit people and prey upon addictions. Saying "lol don't do it" is pretty cavalier. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0213194 There's plenty of other literature out there on it if you look.
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Sep 28, 2019 01:50
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When I was young, it cost like $3,000 for a PC, consoles like the first Atari were $200, the equivalent to $1,000 and a lot of people just couldn't afford them and didn't buy them. The fact is, the market for these products have exploded and driven costs down. There wouldn't be a huge market for games if everyone had to pay $200 a game. There are still lots of companies that make money with just a $60 game, and if they could sell them for more, they would. Rusty fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Sep 28, 2019 02:00
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:It’s also being bundled with RTX cards so there’s plenty of codes to be had for cheap online (as long as you have or know someone with an RTX card to redeem) Doesn't work if they've already redeemed a code on their card, btw. I tried to get my buddy to activate Control for me and it refused based on the hardware ID of his card even though he was logged in on my account. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Sep 28, 2019 02:04
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Hackan Slash posted:Loot boxes are designed to exploit people and prey upon addictions. Saying "lol don't do it" is pretty cavalier. "No, it's about "personal responsibility,"  Just say no to drugs.
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Sep 28, 2019 02:14
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Loot boxes suck and shouldn't be supported/relegated to "well just don't buy them". gently caress is wrong with guys?
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Sep 28, 2019 02:15
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Bumper Stickup posted:Loot boxes suck and shouldn't be supported/ignored. gently caress is wrong with guys? Insert that scene from Shawshank where Red is talking about being institutionalized.
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Sep 28, 2019 02:16
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Hopefully Bernie will be elected so we can get our games for free and the necessary rehab for loot box addicts.
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Sep 28, 2019 02:19
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jabro posted:Hopefully Bernie will be elected so we can get our games for free and the necessary rehab for loot box addicts. I unironically support universal health and mental care coverage too. 
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Sep 28, 2019 02:29
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John F Bennett posted:Never understood all the hubbub around loot boxes myself. Just ignore it if you don't like it? I think the issue is that COD Loot Boxes historically have had unique weapons that have different attributes to other weapons in the base game and might give an advantage to a whale.
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Overwatch has the perfect loot box setup. Every game should just copy that. I rarely mind loot box stuff (I actually really enjoy it if it’s not just pumping out like .00001 chance for anything good/hiding away op gear) but in general the pay aspect sucks most of the time.
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Sep 28, 2019 09:40
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What do you mean you enjoy it.
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Sep 28, 2019 11:31
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I enjoy pulling the slot machine lever. Even more so when it doesn’t cost me anything and I’m rewarded with fancy skins!
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Sep 28, 2019 12:04
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The other nice thing about Overwatch is that you get a box every time you level up, and you earn currency to buy things directly instead of relying on RNG. Infinite Warfare and WW2 has a salvage system for making gear. Apparently so did Moderner Warfare until Activision wanted it changed to BO3/4’s supply drops if the rumors are true.
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Mister Facetious posted:I unironically support universal health and mental care coverage too. Welcome to the United Kingdom bruh 
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Hackan Slash posted:Loot boxes are designed to exploit people and prey upon addictions. Saying "lol don't do it" is pretty cavalier. One could argue that casinos are also designed that way, with the obvious difference being that they are regulated. At least video game loot boxes don't give you a rare item and then claim a "malfunction" when you try to redeem it, like many casinos have done to jackpot winners. I agree with you that hand waving it with "just don't do it" is cavalier, but I don't have any other suggestions that don't involve complex solutions like regulation that I'm not qualified to speak on. Manxome Foe fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Take 2 put a casino in GTA Online and a slot machine in NBA 2K20. You can buy ingame currency to play these games. AAA game companies hire psychologists to figure out how people think so they can trigger their FOMO. People get addicted to gambling in these games and spend a fortune.
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Sep 28, 2019 15:35
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A lot of people can gamble responsibly. Gambling is pretty fun. I'm not buying any lootboxes soon but I understand the thrill of gambling. You can have a couple of beers without becoming an alcoholic. I don't see anything wrong with it, you can't protect everyone. And some parents should be more careful with their credit card info.
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If you've ever looked at mobile gaming and still think unregulated mechanics isn't going to lead us steadily down a path into poo poo then I don't know what more to say.
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Sep 28, 2019 19:00
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Mobile gaming has not infected consoles otherwise COD would have big anime titties and dragons everywhere.
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Sep 28, 2019 19:09
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Don't get me wrong, I don't like loot boxes. They're even banned where I live.
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Sep 28, 2019 19:10
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Mobile gaming has not infected consoles otherwise COD would have big anime titties and dragons everywhere. This sounds like one of those Korean versions of Counter Strike.
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Sep 28, 2019 19:13
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dunno why i'm surprised by all of the "free market can do no wrong, fault lies in the individual" posters itt
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Sep 28, 2019 19:29
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Sep 28, 2019 19:46
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In the end it's just a game, you do with it what you want. Buy it, don't buy it. If you're an adult then go buy some loot boxes, if you're a kid then you're not allowed to buy them anyway. Let people do with their own money what they want?
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Sep 28, 2019 19:59
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jabro posted:lol no one said that. someone said loot boxes aren’t the problem; it’s *bad parenting* that’s the problem
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Mill Village posted:Take 2 put a casino in GTA Online and a slot machine in NBA 2K20. You can buy ingame currency to play these games. AAA game companies hire psychologists to figure out how people think so they can trigger their FOMO. People get addicted to gambling in these games and spend a fortune. NBA 2K20 is straight up basketball themed gambling. https://youtu.be/46MQ1ZMZ-l4
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