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God I love the NOD intro. Slavik is also a believable and great rear end in a top hat, in fact in generla the NOD protagonists all are. I also love how GDI has a command airship while NOD has a command tunnelling vehicle, it's very cool and thematically appropriate.
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CABAL was probably the reason I always played the NOD campaign instead of the GDI one.. what a great thing to have.
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Sep 30, 2019 06:51
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So once again the game makes it gloriously clear that we are, quite possibly, the baddies. Not edgy and misunderstood, not tricked/coerced/forced into doing bad things that we didn't really want to do, but actual fanatical cultists hellbent on world domination (and then some). I think the biggest difference between TD Nod and TS Nod is that there is less of a guerilla vibe and now much more of a culty feel to it. The smiles on the news presenters' faces are totally on point, and the way Oxanna looks at Slavik makes me wonder if she's interested in him romantically, interested in using him to get higher up in the organisation before having him brutally murdered, or just interested in turning his skin into office furniture. I do miss the hand of nod no longer having a giant statue of a hand with the world in its grip, though.
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Sep 30, 2019 07:21
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huh back in the day, I saw that little screen the execution broadcast was playing on as some sort of comedically oversized display blown out of the dead trooper's helmet. now I just see it as a phone or tablet, and definitely streaming on youtube.
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Sep 30, 2019 07:55
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Crazy Achmed posted:the way Oxanna looks at Slavik makes me wonder if she's interested in him romantically, interested in using him to get higher up in the organisation before having him brutally murdered, or just interested in turning his skin into office furniture. Those three things are not mutually exclusive you know.
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Sep 30, 2019 08:24
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I got to love the difference in the gdi and nod starts. GDI: Mac! The base! Save it! NOD: In two minutes you just witnessed 3+ betrayals, a pair of execution attempts on traitors, and a jailbreak.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:13
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Crazy Achmed posted:So once again the game makes it gloriously clear that we are, quite possibly, the baddies. Not edgy and misunderstood, not tricked/coerced/forced into doing bad things that we didn't really want to do, but actual fanatical cultists hellbent on world domination (and then some). I think you mean "bringing the technology of peace to the world", comrade.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:15
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Did I say I objected to any of that? 10-year-old me immediately gravitated towards Nod in TD simply because holy poo poo, you actually get to be the baddies for once. I do think they could have come up with a better slogan than "peace through power" although I can't
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Sep 30, 2019 11:35
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Peace Trough Power Kane Lives In Death One Vision, One Purpose All NOD. GDI? I Love To Win 
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Sep 30, 2019 11:38
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True, Peace through Power is a bit lame but Kane Lives in Death and One Vision, One Purpose are pretty neat. The virgin Mcneill versus the chad Slavik. poo poo, "I love to win" probably isn't even a real GDI slogan, their official one is probably you sitting and filling out forms or some poo poo while Solomon berates you over a teleconference link.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:45
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I love to win, the forms you have to fill in if you win are a lot shorter than the forms they make you fill in if you lose.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:48
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Peace Trough Power Well, umm, there is also, ahhh, "Lets kick some rear end." and... hmm, ohh, "Not in my world." Yeah... Seriously though, I love the design NOD has in this game, their Light Infantry outfits alone are amazing, and they have more fully embraced their scorpion theme as well, as seen in several vehicles and defenses. Shame about the Hand of NOD though, the whole hand gripping the globe look was just amazing as it was impractical, another plus for NOD in my book. Who cares if it is totally impractical and wasteful of materials, as long as it looks cool/intimidating.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:49
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Crazy Achmed posted:True, Peace through Power is a bit lame but Kane Lives in Death and One Vision, One Purpose are pretty neat. The official GDI slogan is "GDI killed no children" or something, probably. I couldn't finish either campaign, but I've been interested in NOD's campaign more, so I wonder what will happen next. I'd like to know how do they obtain technological knowledge to make cyborgs and such, for example - though I don't suppose it will be adressed, given how the Titan 2.0 came and went with no fanfare.
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Sep 30, 2019 12:01
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UED Special Ops posted:Well, umm, there is also, ahhh, "Lets kick some rear end." and... hmm, ohh, "Not in my world." Yeah... The Brotherhood is definitely marketed better than GDI. I started looking into the Hand of NOD and why I think it should look the way it is and the pool is deeper than I thought and I think I'll have something cool to think about later when I can get a better grasp on how to present it.
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Sep 30, 2019 12:37
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Oh, THAT'S where the effort went.
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Dabir posted:Oh, THAT'S where the effort went. 
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Sep 30, 2019 12:58
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When you have a faction of hammy villains you are always in for a Good Time (if you get to play them).
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Sep 30, 2019 14:06
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I meant in the story dork
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Sep 30, 2019 15:34
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GDI has another slogan, "we save lives" It's short and snappy and focus-grouped well
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This is it folks, best part of C&C until we get to Red Alert 2 (and its expansion pack). God, what a golden age.
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FoolyCharged posted:I got to love the difference in the gdi and nod starts. Kane lives in death! 
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I like how the NOD command tunneling vehicle is just "the Kodiak, but evil".
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Its also a thousand times safer, as, unless proven otherwise in a future video, it should be immune to the effects of Ion Storms. At least, so far as mobility is concerned.
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Sep 30, 2019 17:28
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Chronojam posted:GDI has another slogan, "we save lives" And sometimes it's even true!
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Sep 30, 2019 17:47
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There's a theory that general Solomon is the GDI commander from TD. I guess that explains why he
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A personal thing, but while this intro is infinitely better than GDI's (you can tell who the devs cared about), I wish CABAL's voice wasn't the kind that sticks in my throat just listening to it. Luckily I don't need to hear it as much as a NOD commander.
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Joe Kucan on... ...GDI cutscenes: Hollywood actors, it'll pretty much sort itself out ...Nod cutscenes: this is my goddamn magnum opus!!!!
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Sep 30, 2019 19:05
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Ok watched NOD 1: Cabal is boss
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Sep 30, 2019 19:49
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HardDiskD posted:I like how the NOD command tunneling vehicle is just "the Kodiak, but evil". You can tell by all the red lighting. Also I love how the other co-pilot just kind of shakes his head when his colleague gets murdered.
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u brexit ukip it posted:You can tell by all the red lighting. I mean that seems like a typical Tuesday. Power shifts quickly in the Brotherhood after all 
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geonetix posted:Cabal is boss Needs to be thread title imo
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UED Special Ops posted:Well, umm, there is also, ahhh, "Lets kick some rear end." and... hmm, ohh, "Not in my world." Yeah...
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UED Special Ops posted:Shame about the Hand of NOD though, the whole hand gripping the globe look was just amazing as it was impractical, another plus for NOD in my book. Who cares if it is totally impractical and wasteful of materials, as long as it looks cool/intimidating. Look more closelier. The hand still grips the world...
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Sep 30, 2019 22:14
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Yeah, but the world is winning this time. It's so much bigger!
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UED Special Ops posted:Well, umm, there is also, ahhh, "Lets kick some rear end." and... hmm, ohh, "Not in my world." Yeah... NOD definitely has better marketing to it, and the turn towards cult theme and organizational structure seems to be the next step in how they run things. If we look at the fact that Kane had a mysterious background to him, his GDI personnel file listed him as potentially being thousands of years old and had adopted religious or spiritual aliases, and his eventual defeat at the hands of GDI without anyone being able to find his corpse. The "Temple of NOD" is another major giveaway that, while they seemed to be a terrorist organization first and foremost, they clearly had religious undertones to their outward appearance. Looking at the themes as well, The Brotherhood of NOD sports a deep reddish hue and the iconic tail of a scorpion, although this is sometimes swapped for a design featuring an entire scorpion. It is interesting that, when looking at potential connections to the iconography, one comes across a passage for Scorpius, noting that it includes the star Antares, "the rival of Mars", named so due to its distinct reddish hue. As well, there are several mythological stories based around Scorpius. Two involve Orion, and in both he is killed by a scorpion. In the first, his boasts that he would kill everyone on the planet, drew the ire of Artemis and Leto, who sent a giant scorpion to fight Orion. Orion would perish in the ensuing combat, and Zeus would raise the Scorpion into the heavens as a result, and doing the same for Orion after Artemis requested so. The second story saw Apollo, Artemis' twin brother, grow angry at Orion after he and Artemis started getting closer to eachother. Again, the scorpion killed Orion, and both were raised to the heavens thanks to Zeus. Yet, in my opinion, the more interesting mythos does not involve Orion at all. Instead the story focuses on Phaeton, the mortal male offspring to Helios, who wished to ride his father's chariot for a day. On the day he was finally able to do so, he panicked and lost control of the horses pulling the chariot. As the chariot's course changed, so did the Earth's temperature, at first cooling off as the chariot flew further away, and burning as the chariot came too close. Eventually, Zeus was forced to step in and strike Phaeton and the chariot with his lightning, sending the mortal to the river of death. Now, why do I think this is important? Firstly, Kane clearly sees himself as a messiah to the people of Earth, whether they accept that or not. Secondly, we have already seen that he proves he is mortal [If I am cut, do I not bleed?], whether or not that video feed was real or doctored. The Tiberium that landed on Earth has caused mutations, but more importantly causes the land to go barren, as all available nutrients and minerals are consumed and condensed into Tiberium crystals. And lastly, it is all too similar that the Ion Cannon struck Kane in much the same was as Zeus' lightning did to Phaeton. While Kane's goal isn't to kill every living thing on the planet, one can safely assume that, by refusing to follow him, he has no issues with doing so. Going further with the themes, the Hand of Nod initially being the design of a upright forearm and hand holding the planet. It could be implied that, as a terrorist organization or underground movement, they hold a grasp on the planet. The arrival of Tiberium, its characteristics, and subsequent value easily made that a possibility. The intro to Tiberian Dawn, with the bombing of high value targets, such as Trade Centers and the Allied high command.  After the death of Kane, the hand of NOD was redesigned and it blends two interesting details. First is how the hand looks cybernetic/robotic, due to the lines and overall shape. Second, and more importantly, is how the Hand of Nod looks like it is clawing its way out of the ground, a clear reference to the eventual, or at the least hopeful, revival/return of Kane to the Brotherhood. 
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There are some "oulds" in there that exist only because I'm not writing Command and Conquer lore.
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This is probably a bad comparison, but here's another reason why I prefer NOD over GDI combat equipment. Brown/Beige and Gold.  Red and Black.
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Well, it is obvious that those "Elite Guard" and this Hassan character are not true followers of Kane, and as such they have fallen from the path and no longer believe in wearing the true colors of the faithful. And yeah, it is cool how even in TD there was a cult-like feel to NOD that came out in full force afterwords as various commanders rose trying to live up to what they believed was Kane's will until his glorious return. Also interesting thoughts on the redesigned Hand of NOD, never really considered all that. Neat.
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AJ_Impy posted:Look more closelier. The hand still grips the world... 
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