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feedmegin posted:I mean then you're also kind of assuming America conquers all of Earth in the back story (which granted does explain why 99% of people Earth in a position of authority seem to be American)... There's a unified Earth government, in which America would be a big mover and shaker. When the US spends as much on the military as pretty much everyone else combined, it's not wholly senseless to think that they might have some influence on the makeup of Earthforce.
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Soylent Pudding posted:It vaguely makes sense if you assume space forces grew out of the (US) air force structure which uses generals instead of the navy structure which uses admirals. Okay, so how come Sheridan is a captain and not a colonel? 
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Sep 28, 2019 19:19
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Everything is fully explained here. I'm sure there are other fan sites with contradictory information.
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Sep 28, 2019 19:29
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Okay, so how come Sheridan is a captain and not a colonel? To be fair captain (of a ship and possibly also static installation aka stone frigate) is different from captain (the military rank)...
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Sep 28, 2019 19:34
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Jedit posted:There's a unified Earth government, in which America would be a big mover and shaker. When the US spends as much on the military as pretty much everyone else combined, it's not wholly senseless to think that they might have some influence on the makeup of Earthforce. 99% of it? That's not 'influence' that's 'total takeover'.
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Sep 28, 2019 19:35
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A quick wikipedia search suggests Russia and China use the equivalent of general for their air forces too. Which is about as much effort as I'm going to put into following an off the cuff remark. But it's clear in the show that Earthforce is primarily grown out of NATO military traditions.
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Sep 29, 2019 23:19
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When was EarthGov established? I don't remember any clear dates in the show, but I haven't read any of the novels.feedmegin posted:99% of it? That's not 'influence' that's 'total takeover'. American-accented English may be the standard language within EarthForce. Ivanova was educated abroad deliberately to have a more international outlook and identity, better integration with other EarthGov nations, etc., and would easily seem like she's an American with a Russian name if you didn't know her personal history.
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EarthGov was established in 2085. Around the time the Psi Corps was established, the EA was basically invading and taking control of nations that hadn't joined the Earth Alliance yet.
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Sep 30, 2019 01:46
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S02E06 Earth:The San Diego Ruins Oh hell yeah.
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Sep 30, 2019 02:17
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TraderStav posted:S02E06 Wouldn't The San Diego Ruins be like... a bunch of burned out malls and a roadside avocado stand?
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poolside toaster posted:Wouldn't The San Diego Ruins be like... a bunch of burned out malls and a roadside avocado stand? "And they put too much cilantro in everything!" feedmegin posted:I mean then you're also kind of assuming America conquers all of Earth in the back story (which granted does explain why 99% of people Earth in a position of authority seem to be American)... I don't really recall the conflict that EarthForce/EarthGov emerged out of, but if Western nations were part of the victors, it makes sense as to why Western rank structure would be used.
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Sep 30, 2019 22:59
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I was under the impression it was just an evolution of the UN rather than conflict?
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Oct 1, 2019 05:25
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I was under the impression it was just an evolution of the UN rather than conflict? I believe so. There's a bit of detail in the first Psi-Corps novel, much of which predates first contact with the Centauri, but I don't remember it.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I was under the impression it was just an evolution of the UN rather than conflict? Yeah, but if you then amalgamate everybody's navies and air forces on either manpower or budget basis, USAF and USN get to write most of the traditions for whatever service they end up helping to found. China gets a couple of picks. Russia probably gets to make everyone wear that snazzy blue-striped shirt, and... the Brits and the French might get some say about something. And that's where EarthForce traditions come from.
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mllaneza posted:Yeah, but if you then amalgamate everybody's navies and air forces on either manpower or budget basis, USAF and USN get to write most of the traditions for whatever service they end up helping to found. China gets a couple of picks. Russia probably gets to make everyone wear that snazzy blue-striped shirt, and... the Brits and the French might get some say about something. And that's where EarthForce traditions come from. Now I want a scene like the one where Sinclair introduces a member of all of Earth's religions, but it's one where they pick ugly uniforms, dumb ranks, and weird bureaucratic procedures from every military branch.
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Jedit posted:I believe so. There's a bit of detail in the first Psi-Corps novel, much of which predates first contact with the Centauri, but I don't remember it. Oh word, there's Babylon 5 books too?!
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Oct 1, 2019 19:39
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TraderStav posted:Oh word, there's Babylon 5 books too?! Lots. Rather difficult to find nowadays, though.
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Oct 1, 2019 20:18
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Timby posted:Lots. Oh, wow. Are they worth reading? I imagine only after I have finished the series?
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Oct 1, 2019 20:24
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TraderStav posted:Oh, wow. Are they worth reading? I imagine only after I have finished the series? The Shadow Within and To Dream in the City of Sorrows are good for backstory. The Psi-Corps and Centauri trilogies are just good, period. Jury is out on the Technomage trilogy. But don't go looking for them before you finish the series, as even the titles are spoilerific in some cases.
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Jedit posted:The Shadow Within and To Dream in the City of Sorrows are good for backstory. The Psi-Corps and Centauri trilogies are just good, period. Jury is out on the Technomage trilogy. But don't go looking for them before you finish the series, as even the titles are spoilerific in some cases. I'm kicking myself, because I had the second Psy-Corps book but either threw it away or gave it away before finding out how rare they were. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm kicking myself, because I had the second Psy-Corps book but either threw it away or gave it away before finding out how rare they were. I think the only one that's even remotely close to affordable on eBay is the first Psi-Corps book.
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Oct 2, 2019 01:41
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How much do the Psi-Corps books go for? I got all 3 for 15 dollars a few months ago
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Oct 2, 2019 01:56
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Adaptabullshit posted:How much do the Psi-Corps books go for? I got all 3 for 15 dollars a few months ago Hardcover? I've seen the trilogy for around $150.
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Oct 2, 2019 01:58
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Ah. I got them in paperback form which explains the affordability.
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Oct 2, 2019 02:00
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I had #2 in paperback.
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I have all three post-show trilogies in paperback ( ) but then I'm the guy that will defend the Technomage trilogy.One of these days I do need to try to pick up To Dream in the City of Sorrows. If it's not $300 by now.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I have all three post-show trilogies in paperback ( I had all the canon ones. The 3 trilogies and then The Shadow Within and To Dream in the City of Sorrows. I gave them away to someone in one of the B5 threads, I believe. I read the Centauri trilogy and then The Shadow Within. Was good! Would recommend all of them where available, as they're actually canon and not just bullshit fanficcy asides.
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I actually have a spare copy of The Shadow Within. It turned up as a free gift when I bought the Centauri trilogy.
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The Coming of Shadows I love this show. Perfection.
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TraderStav posted:The Coming of Shadows Emperor Turhan's speech in the observation dome is my favorite moment in the whole series, but really the entire episode is such an excellent little tragedy. The Unlife Aquatic fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:Emperor Turhan's speech in the observation dome is my favorite moment in the whole series, but really the entire episode is such an excellent little tragedy. That was an excellent moment. I have so many thoughts about that episode but cannot process them quick enough to get down. G'kar was masterful. Everything was just perfectly laid out and then executed. And it's only S02E09!
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:Emperor Turhan's speech in the observation dome is my favorite moment in the whole series, but really the entire episode is such an excellent little tragedy. "How will this end?" "~IN FIRE~"
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TraderStav posted:That was an excellent moment. The great thing about it is, the best is yet to come.
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lost my old email posted:smdh if you don't watch b5 on a 10 inch crt like god intended my mom won a 13" tv in some drawing and put it in the kitchen to watch while cooking I remember watching b5 on that b/c b5 was shown as either the same time as the news or david letterman and I was not allowed to interrupt that for more Star Trek also on the topic if ds9 wasnt around would b5 be more fondly remembered. What if Avery Brooks left ds9 and Kenneth Marshall or Michael Dorn replaced him? Would ds9 have fared as good as b5? prob not, Avery Brooks was great as the commander/captain role I always liked Sinclair coming back to become Valen and if that wasn't the plan, then that is a great pivot in character and story by the writers
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lost my old email posted:smdh if you don't watch b5 on a 10 inch crt like god intended First time I watched B5 was on this thing  That's a 6inch black&white TV.
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My parents had a color 25" console TV from the '70s in the basement, I lived in style. As long as I slapped the screen in just the right spot so the blue cathode would fire up.
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Hiya thread- I'm watching Babylon 5 for the very first time and know nothing about the show other than it has a few recognizable costumes, some similarities to DS9, and a war with the "shadows" (spooky!). I'm going through this view order right here: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html Just watched In the Beginning and The Gathering, getting read to start on season 1. I started Midnight on the Firing Line on Amazon Prime when I noticed some aspect ratio weirdness and did a little googling. Is there any recommended way of watching the show where the special effects aren't cropped and zoomed in? I'm also a little skeptical of wide screen since it wasn't shown that way on tv, but whatever. Also why is the Centauri Republic apparently ruled by an emperor? It's a republic ffs.
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Hi! We'll go back to spoiler-tagging even things about Season 1. On non-cropped CGI: Time travel. I don't think it's available with original 4:3 CGI shots anywhere. Maybe on VHS. On widescreen: It was shot originally in widescreen, so it doesn't really detract anything, just usually add some empty space around the characters. I'm neutral on it. Regarding the great Centauri Republic, well. Sometimes republics have emperors, y'know?
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