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I'm completely new to MTG and am hooked following a couple days worth of Arena. Just a brief question: are there any particularly good beginner resources at all? Youtube or text is fine, I just need to understand the core principles of the game really. Also, a bonus question: in any TCG I usually play mill/discard decks, are any decks currently viable playing in my favourite assholish style?
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Billy_Delicious posted:I'm completely new to MTG and am hooked following a couple days worth of Arena. Just a brief question: are there any particularly good beginner resources at all? Youtube or text is fine, I just need to understand the core principles of the game really. Mill is not a very strong strategy atm, the experience of most people here who run into the occasional mill deck is to look on in a sort of detached amazement and beat them way more often than not. There was some talk on the previous pages about cheap starter decks, and Blue/Green flash seemed to be the consensus option, so look into that if you want. It is kind of an assholish way to win as well, so you might still like it. If you want to build a mill deck later it might even have share some cards with Blue/Green flash. But honestly, don't build a mill deck.
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Oct 8, 2019 13:16
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Even when you're in a decent matchup with mill against some non-field control you still run into the situation where they play a couple 1-2 drop creatures and you're suddenly checkmated because removing or countering them leaves you vulnerable to their actual big threats but the piddling damage those creatures do each turn is also a faster clock than what you have.
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Oct 8, 2019 13:34
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It should be noted that there's a couple special variant formats that come up every once in awhile (Pauper and Singleton) where a card named Persistent Petitioners makes mill much more viable. This is more due to other options being bad and Persistent Petitioners not being affected by the limits of those formats.
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Oct 8, 2019 13:43
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That's a shame, but ah well, I understand its usually a pretty reductive archetype. Ill check out that blue/green deck, thanks for tge recommend. Any good youtubers to follow in particular? Instructional or just good watches?
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Oct 8, 2019 13:46
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ChrisBTY posted:I only play fields and Golos because I incidentally pulled 4 fields and 3 Golos. Bruh just put Yarok in your deck she combos with BOTH Golos and Field
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Oct 8, 2019 13:49
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Billy_Delicious posted:I'm completely new to MTG and am hooked following a couple days worth of Arena. Just a brief question: are there any particularly good beginner resources at all? Youtube or text is fine, I just need to understand the core principles of the game really. Also this is a couple years out of date but it's the actual good beginner explanation of the game linked in the Arena client: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/level-one/level-one-full-course-2015-10-05 It doesn't teach you the rules but important concepts of game strategy (like card advantage and tempo).
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Oct 8, 2019 14:17
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Bust Rodd posted:Bruh just put Yarok in your deck she combos with BOTH Golos and Field I DID! I made my opponent scoop when I played Golos after, grabbed fields #3 and #4 and promptly poo poo out 14 zombies with Ethereal Absolution out. I hate that I actually really like this deck. I love making stupid amounts of ETB triggers happen. Unless those ETB triggers result from me attacking with Krenko with multiple Seasons of Growth out.
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Oct 8, 2019 14:22
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I pretty much play exclusively aggro decks and I still dread Field matches. Card needs to die. It just makes playing unfun when it's the same deck over and over.
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Oct 8, 2019 14:26
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I'd be down with crafting golos except the mirror sounds absolutely miserable.
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Oct 8, 2019 14:36
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Doesn't jeskai fires just clarion away the zombies and beat them down with planeswalker dragons before they really come online? What you guys should do is hate jeskai fires out of the meta. Just make a deck dedicated to losing to golos and beating fires, until people stop playing fires. Then maybe golos will see a ban.
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Oct 8, 2019 14:42
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Darox posted:Even when you're in a decent matchup with mill against some non-field control you still run into the situation where they play a couple 1-2 drop creatures and you're suddenly checkmated because removing or countering them leaves you vulnerable to their actual big threats but the piddling damage those creatures do each turn is also a faster clock than what you have. What about the 5/4 flier for 2 that checks graveyards to attack/block? No good because it's an artifact? E: costs two not three! BrianBoitano fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 14:49
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A Moose posted:Doesn't jeskai fires just clarion away the zombies and beat them down with planeswalker dragons before they really come online? What you guys should do is hate jeskai fires out of the meta. Just make a deck dedicated to losing to golos and beating fires, until people stop playing fires. Then maybe golos will see a ban. No Wave fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 14:55
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You have 4 Fires, but they have more than 4 ways to answer it (and also more ability to find those answers and, if you're on the draw, have ramped up to the point where they can answer your Fires on the same turn you play it). I think you're definitely disadvantaged on the draw, but maybe slightly advantaged on the play?
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Oct 8, 2019 15:03
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I guess I'm going to build Azorius Flyers but I want to know if there's a viable Angels and/or Vigilance deck around, which is what I've been playing so far.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:04
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Kraps posted:I guess I'm going to build Azorius Flyers but I want to know if there's a viable Angels and/or Vigilance deck around, which is what I've been playing so far. there isn't. there was a bad angels deck before rotation but it lost key cards and now no longer exists.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:14
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Lagomorphic posted:Trying to avoid bans is pointless. You're way more likely to "lose wildcards" just by your deck no longer being t1 once the next set comes out and they won't refund any wildcards for that. what are the wildcards that would even be lost? I think aside from Golos and Fields, every other rare in the deck is played somewhere? Teferi, lands, Krasis... I guess agent of treachery isn't. anything else? off the top of my head I can't think of any and I'm FAR too lazy to look at a decklist.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:16
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Azorious fliers also would be an awful deck to craft.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:21
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Paul Zuvella posted:Azorious fliers also would be an awful deck to craft. Alright, what's an example of a good deck to craft with white in it.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:33
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Paul Zuvella posted:Azorious fliers also would be an awful deck to craft. I have to disagree. It's probably not tier 1, but you can craft a decent Azorius flyers deck pretty easily because it incorporates a lot of commons and uncommons. That's really the nice thing about it, it's a decent deck on a budget. imo a pretty good option for someone new, or anyone with a limited amount of those precious R/MR wildcards. I'm at work so I'll try to remember to post mine later. You won't win any tournaments with it but you can play some Magic! Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 15:42
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Kraps posted:Alright, what's an example of a good deck to craft with white in it. Golos field? 
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Oct 8, 2019 15:44
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Chomp8645 posted:I have to disagree. Yeah that's really all I want, I'll be glad to see your deck. Drewjitsu posted:Golos field? I'd rather stab myself in the dick. Not very hard though tbh.
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Oct 8, 2019 15:49
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Billy_Delicious posted:I'm completely new to MTG and am hooked following a couple days worth of Arena. Just a brief question: are there any particularly good beginner resources at all? Youtube or text is fine, I just need to understand the core principles of the game really. here you go https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-27-mono-blue-mill-standard-magic-arena
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Oct 8, 2019 15:56
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Kraps posted:Yeah that's really all I want, I'll be glad to see your deck. How about selesnya advenures? It's not a great deck, but it's okay (maybe like tier 2, 2.5) 4 Edgewall Innkeeper (ELD) 151 4 Faerie Guidemother (ELD) 11 4 Giant Killer (ELD) 14 4 Lovestruck Beast (ELD) 165 4 Shepherd of the Flock (ELD) 28 1 Trostani Discordant (GRN) 208 4 Venerated Loxodon (GRN) 30 4 Conclave Tribunal (GRN) 6 2 Flower // Flourish (GRN) 226 4 Once Upon a Time (ELD) 169 4 Raise the Alarm (M20) 34 2 Castle Ardenvale (ELD) 238 4 Temple Garden (GRN) 258 7 Plains (ANA) 56 8 Forest (ANA) 60 2 Devout Decree (M20) 13 3 Gideon Blackblade (WAR) 13 2 Glass Casket (ELD) 15 2 Knight of Autumn (GRN) 183 3 Questing Beast (ELD) 171 3 Vivien, Champion of the Wilds (WAR) 180
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Oct 8, 2019 16:06
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Thanks for the link, will take a look at that list and see how much of it I can do. Any other advice is much appreciated!
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Oct 8, 2019 17:21
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Kraps posted:Alright, what's an example of a good deck to craft with white in it. why does the deck have to be white, is this a freemagic thing?
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Oct 8, 2019 17:30
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I've encountered a couple grixis control builds with Ashiok, Unmoored ego, and Thought Erasure and it can really put a damper on golos field if you stumble a bit at the start. The mono black cat oven deck can be an issue if I don't draw Casualties of war also. The deck does turn the corner really well if you can stabilize.
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Oct 8, 2019 17:50
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TheTofuShop posted:I've encountered a couple grixis control builds with Ashiok, Unmoored ego, and Thought Erasure and it can really put a damper on golos field if you stumble a bit at the start. The mono black cat oven deck can be an issue if I don't draw Casualties of war also. I don't think the cat oven deck is that good against it, mainly due to Krasis, but it's pretty lol the first time they try and play Agent of Treachery, mouse over your cards for 30s, and end up stealing the oven.
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Oct 8, 2019 18:10
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Propaganda Hour posted:At least it better have efficient land destruction in different colors than black/green. Ravager Wurm doesn't give me a lot of hope tho. What makes it worse is the timing combinations of Field + Spell cast. I have a pure land destruction deck that can't touch it because by the time I destroy the Field they already produced two or three more zombies with Circuitous Route or Golos.
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Oct 8, 2019 18:13
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Lone Goat posted:why does the deck have to be white, is this a freemagic thing? No women too, aka the Jeff Hoogland special
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Oct 8, 2019 18:15
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I'm surprised I don't see more artifact destruction, what with Golos and all the powerful artifacts in Eldraine.
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Oct 8, 2019 18:35
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If Golos is in play its already done its job, destroying it doesnt solve that
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Oct 8, 2019 18:37
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Billy_Delicious posted:I'm completely new to MTG and am hooked following a couple days worth of Arena. Just a brief question: are there any particularly good beginner resources at all? Youtube or text is fine, I just need to understand the core principles of the game really. Ah if only you started playing a few months ago you could've had the time of your life playing a Nexus (get an extra turn) self mill deck
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Oct 8, 2019 18:39
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AnEdgelord posted:If Golos is in play its already done its job, destroying it doesnt solve that Same with a lot of other artifacts, mainly the food tokens. Danse wants you to destroy its artifacts too.
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Oct 8, 2019 18:46
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I play a janky Ashiok deck that is pretty fun, it did a lot more damage against Scapeshift but will still lock out Golos's ETB Edit: The thing I want to do with it for this Standard is somehow get a Narset - Folio of Fancies prison up
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Oct 8, 2019 18:48
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Billy_Delicious posted:That's a shame, but ah well, I understand its usually a pretty reductive archetype. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-UZjHl2kZ-6XKBLgbFgGAQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaxar6TBM-94_ezoS00fLkA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd0kth9C1hqJiaoedeBZ0cQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3ZqFbpwxyp-sseip6nD9Iw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXBcGBlVd14LN-gGk7GqX4A
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Oct 8, 2019 19:00
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IMJack posted:I'm surprised I don't see more artifact destruction, what with Golos and all the powerful artifacts in Eldraine.
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Oct 8, 2019 19:01
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Field is really stupid because it practically can't fail to go off, usually goes off stupidly quickly and the thing you need to do to activate it (ramp) is already insanely rewarding in itself. On top of the whole impossible to interact with thing. It should have been like 9 unique lands. I really shouldn't be facing down an active field on turn four.
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Oct 8, 2019 19:12
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starkebn posted:here you go Yeah that's the mill deck that beat my Fields deck. Fields mills itself pretty hard. I put in a single "shuffle your graveyard into your library" cantrip for that deck and the mirror (I decked myself in a mirror).
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https://twitter.com/VTCLA1/status/1181627010474483712?s=19
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