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Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Sweevo posted:

You drat kids with your CADs and your CAMs and those accursed computer things. Behold the Mergenthaler Diagrammer:

https://vimeo.com/75532300

The Merganthaler

>>IN COLOR!<<

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Wasabi the J posted:

The video refutes this assertion.

If Spacewar!’s developers were inspired by Strachey’s Draughts or the others, I missed it.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Platystemon posted:

If Spacewar!’s developers were inspired by Strachey’s Draughts or the others, I missed it.

He argued they don't really have a single origin. There are firsts for each category.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

FilthyImp posted:

Did that ever come out?
For a hot minute it was cool and then I realized I didn't really need 10 widgets on my keyboard aside from like a volume control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj7GYU-wedo

It's apparently pretty bad.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



A few of us really wanted one and almost did through my old work as an expense with our editing machines. The boss pointed out we have dedicated AVID keyboards with all the colour coded keycaps already and we should be good enough editors to not have to 'hunt and poke' our commands.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Humphreys posted:

A few of us really wanted one and almost did through my old work as an expense with our editing machines. The boss pointed out we have dedicated AVID keyboards with all the colour coded keycaps already and we should be good enough editors to not have to 'hunt and poke' our commands.

Thought the same thing, while it's neat, who the hell is looking at their keyboard ever, so it would be entirely wasted. Having a few side keys like stream deck style with special commands maybe. Also it was 1000 bucks, and I'm sure those little screens would get screwed up pretty quickly.

I got a "stinky" foot board (the name trolls you I know) thinking hands free hot keys would be super useful...too bad the software never got updated after launch and it's essentially broken forever, it's built super well and has different strength springs you can change out, goes 4 directions


So much potential wasted.

LifeSunDeath has a new favorite as of 14:19 on Oct 12, 2019

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


LifeSunDeath posted:

Thought the same thing, while it's neat, who the hell is looking at their keyboard ever, so it would be entirely wasted. Having a few side keys like stream deck style with special commands maybe. Also it was 1000 bucks, and I'm sure those little screens would get screwed up pretty quickly.

I got a "stinky" foot board (the name trolls you I know) thinking hands free hot keys would be super useful...too bad the software never got updated after launch and it's essentially broken forever, it's built super well and has different strength springs you can change out, goes 4 directions


So much potential wasted.

LOL I found some USB footpedals you could bind to key combos. Back when I (thought) I was MLG Counterstrike 360 no scoping I explained I don't have time to reach for another key with my hands to speak!

Now I have an aging G930 headset with bindable buttons so I can mic up on chats while taking a dump.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Whoa, I remember arguing about those on /. back in the day and then never hearing about them ever again, so it's funny to see they actually delivered more or less what was intended but it just sucks for typing because of lovely switches lol. You could probably make a better/cheaper one nowadays but having to actually use a hundred individual displays is always going to be a bitch and not really worth it.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
This is pretty neat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezME4_xMMnk

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Humphreys posted:

LOL I found some USB footpedals you could bind to key combos. Back when I (thought) I was MLG Counterstrike 360 no scoping I explained I don't have time to reach for another key with my hands to speak!

Now I have an aging G930 headset with bindable buttons so I can mic up on chats while taking a dump.

People doing speech-to-text transcriptions more or less need these those types of pedals to free their hands for typing as fast as possible.

wa27
Jan 15, 2007

mobby_6kl posted:

Whoa, I remember arguing about those on /. back in the day and then never hearing about them ever again, so it's funny to see they actually delivered more or less what was intended but it just sucks for typing because of lovely switches lol. You could probably make a better/cheaper one nowadays but having to actually use a hundred individual displays is always going to be a bitch and not really worth it.

Yeah the whole internet was talking about it in 2005. And back then the price they threw out was $200-$300. I just assumed it was vaporware. It's pretty funny that it came out years later at $1600 and/or $3000.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing
Wasn't the cheaper model just a 10-key? I remember them demonstrating one that was application-aware in Windows.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
2005 was a weird year for tech. There was this thing, which was about 5 inches long and had a gigahertz cpu with about 2 hours of battery life.



Like we knew everyone would eventually have a pocket computer, but people still thought we’d be walking around with Windows XP. That UI must have sucked at 800x600 and that was probably a resistive display so good luck using a finger over the stylus.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Everyone on Stargate Universe seems to have one. The concept of the thing is pretty cool.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

Krispy Wafer posted:

2005 was a weird year for tech. There was this thing, which was about 5 inches long and had a gigahertz cpu with about 2 hours of battery life.



Like we knew everyone would eventually have a pocket computer, but people still thought we’d be walking around with Windows XP. That UI must have sucked at 800x600 and that was probably a resistive display so good luck using a finger over the stylus.

I posted earlier (in either this thread or the Tech Relic thread) about testing the Sony equivalent of that thing for work.



You can see that the form factor is very similar though uglier. The performance was surprisingly good for something that small... which is to say not very good at all. The whole handheld/palmtop computer thing was completely replaced by mini notebooks, netbooks, and ultrabooks less than a year later, and then again by smartphones and tablets a few years after that.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
I had one of those WinCE phones and yes, they had no idea how to adapt Windows-style UI/UX for something that size.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
My dad had one of those Journada things for work in the late 90s. It was like a tiny laptop. I remember he would bring it out whenever we went somewhere and had to wait and he did something on it. I don't know what was cooler, that tiny laptop or the palm pilot he would also sometimes have where you could memorize the weird symbols they replaced the letters with to "write" things instead of typing them.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

FilthyImp posted:

I had one of those WinCE phones and yes, they had no idea how to adapt Windows-style UI/UX for something that size.

The one I posted was actually full Windows XP, which is why they ran so bad with such bad battery life (not that WinCE was a pleasure to use). They had Intel Core Solo CPUs running at somewhere between 1 and 1.3 Ghz. They were basically updated Pentium 3 chips and most of them had some kind of micro drive for storage.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

FilthyImp posted:

I had one of those WinCE phones and yes, they had no idea how to adapt Windows-style UI/UX for something that size.

I never worked as a computer toucher, so I'm just realizing now that the acronym describes the user experience

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Lowen SoDium posted:

The one I posted was actually full Windows XP, which is why they ran so bad with such bad battery life (not that WinCE was a pleasure to use). They had Intel Core Solo CPUs running at somewhere between 1 and 1.3 Ghz. They were basically updated Pentium 3 chips and most of them had some kind of micro drive for storage.

Time until LGR swims in a pile of these: six months

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think he already did a video about them

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Lowen SoDium posted:

I posted earlier (in either this thread or the Tech Relic thread) about testing the Sony equivalent of that thing for work.



You can see that the form factor is very similar though uglier. The performance was surprisingly good for something that small... which is to say not very good at all. The whole handheld/palmtop computer thing was completely replaced by mini notebooks, netbooks, and ultrabooks less than a year later, and then again by smartphones and tablets a few years after that.

Does the screen slide up to reveal the keyboard or did it always look...weird.

And is that a camera flash?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Krispy Wafer posted:

Does the screen slide up to reveal the keyboard or did it always look...weird.

And is that a camera flash?
Slide-up keyboards were big then. Something about having it look like a phone until you needed it to be a computer.

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Krispy Wafer posted:

Does the screen slide up to reveal the keyboard or did it always look...weird.

And is that a camera flash?

It looks like a fingerprint reader.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I always pictured this just being a lit LCD exposing onto film and never thought about it having to be projected. Neat.

However, I hated the date feature on pictures and always made sure it was turned off on the one camera I had that used it. Kinda feel bad for the poor humans who had to glue those millions of mirrors and whatnot into place.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

It's the BonziBuddy that really tells you the most about it, I think.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




I still really like having mini-Windows PCs around. I've got a tiny, cheap Netbook that runs Windows 10 slowly. However, it can run most 90s games at full speed, so I can mess around with Doom, Quake, old Resident Evil games, Bioware RPGs and Tomb Raider on the go.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
I worked for a company in the late 90s that did outsource QA for Entertainment software. We got a contract from Hasbro to test WinCE versions of Trivial Pursuit, Monopoly, and a bunch of other stuff on a ton of those early PDAs. Those things ate batteries and were so miserable to use.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

Krispy Wafer posted:

Does the screen slide up to reveal the keyboard or did it always look...weird.

And is that a camera flash?

FilthyImp posted:

Slide-up keyboards were big then. Something about having it look like a phone until you needed it to be a computer.

Yep, the screen could slide up and down.

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

It looks like a fingerprint reader.

Yeah, it was actually one of the first fingerprint readers I ever used that actually worked worth a drat. It was the style where you slid your finger over it, rather than press and hold

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Lowen SoDium posted:

Yep, the screen could slide up and down.


Yeah, it was actually one of the first fingerprint readers I ever used that actually worked worth a drat. It was the style where you slid your finger over it, rather than press and hold

I still have a Dell 'hardened' laptop and my old Panasonic CF-7x that has that style of reader. Works great and you can enroll a few fingers. Presumably so you can still get in if you lose a few in a fire fight/silly workshop accident.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Ya know, I totally forgot that the ubiquity of sliding keyboards for those things was due to needing to pull out a stylus if you were interacting with the On Screen Keyboard, because the screen wasn't very sensitive and because the keys were smushed so closely together to maximize the screen real estate.

You could probably fat finger your way through a post with your nail or something. But it sure wasn't conducive to any kind of work

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.
I really, really wanted one of these:


Sharp Zaurus SL-5500

A real keyboard instead of the WinCe 'use a tiny plastic stylus to tap on the screen like a woodpecker' and it used Linux!
This last point was apparently a very desirable feature, though I am not sure it offered anything other than nerd cred.

Fortunately, it was far too expensive to buy then and still too expensive to buy now, so at least I haven't wasted my money.

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

Trabant posted:

This is pretty neat:

I had an APS camera which, in addition to the date, could burn one of several built in messages onto your pictures. The camera didn't say which phrase was which, you just had to remember that "3" on the display meant "GRADUATION DAY" would be burned into the photo and so on. These messages were turned on using a button the size of a single atom and stayed on until you turned them off, meaning you would eventually get a photo of a gravestone with "CELEBRATION" burned into it or have to send your insurance company crash pictures with "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" on them.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Oh hey, sliders! i still have my old Propel, good lord this thing got beat up



The keyboard was loving excellent and I'd still rather have it than even the best gesture keyboard.

Lot easier to stash in small spaces than a modern phone too, the length/width of my 3xl makes it awkward far more often than the thickness of the old phone did.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Fender Anarchist posted:

Oh hey, sliders! i still have my old Propel, good lord this thing got beat up



The keyboard was loving excellent and I'd still rather have it than even the best gesture keyboard.

Lot easier to stash in small spaces than a modern phone too, the length/width of my 3xl makes it awkward far more often than the thickness of the old phone did.



What did you take that second picture with, a potato?

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



ryonguy posted:

What did you take that second picture with, a potato?

my money is on webcam, which always loving suck.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

ryonguy posted:

What did you take that second picture with, a potato?

His turned-off monitor.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Do you think that cell phones in 30 years will have a retro "webcam" filter?

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
Do they not already

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Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

it's just a lovely mirror shot cropped way down, sorry, i was lazy

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