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LividLiquid posted:Shut the gently caress up. No way! after he did quick tours with ajpw, he probably lifted it from watching Riki Choshu.
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So did Sting base his gimmick around the Scorpion Deathlock or did it just fall into place? It also refers to a scorpion in the original Japanese name of the move.
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Oct 23, 2019 04:06
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I'm not comfortable with the assertion that Sting ever learned how to do the Sharpshooter.
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Schneider Heim posted:So did Sting base his gimmick around the Scorpion Deathlock or did it just fall into place? It also refers to a scorpion in the original Japanese name of the move. I believe it fell into place, he took the name Sting and right after he saw the move.
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I always thought that the Sting/Scorpion thing really didn't kick off until he was Crow Sting and having scorpions as part of his goth look was fitting but I did a quick Google and he had them on his dayglo surfer gear too. Huh. I have even more questions about the Black Scorpion gimmick now.
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I used to love the crowd all chanting 3D when the Dudleys are mid flight of hitting the 3D! Oh and the Wassup.... Dudley's ruled!
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not comfortable with the assertion that Sting ever learned how to do the Sharpshooter.
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Oct 23, 2019 06:24
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The Scorpion Deathlock usually is done with a wide stance, with one arm around the ankle of the straight leg to hold it and the free hand clutching the foot of the crossed leg (making a grapevine not much unlike the figure four) or just letting that foot hang loose. Bret generally crossed the legs more towards the ankle and on smaller guys hooked his arm around both (with larger guys/longer legs he would apply more like a traditional SD), and would put his hand on a guy's kneepad or tuck it under the legs. The deathlock also is more of a squat where the guy will lean forward, whereas Bret, you'll notice, tended to actually sit back on it (which, by all accounts, really made the move suck to be in). Probably the closest I can think of to Bret actually applying the Sharpshooter like the Scorpion Deathlock would be Wrestlemania 9, honestly, and that's because he knew it would be loving impossible to actually do it the way he normally did on Yoko (and also so he would be in the best position for the salt in the eyes spot).
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Oct 23, 2019 07:25
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Speaking of the Tombstone, what other moves have been around a while and are now named after a wrestler or their gimmick, instead of whatever it was originally called? Sharpshooter is one, what was the Crippler Crossface called before Benoit if anything?
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Oct 23, 2019 15:43
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Speaking of the Tombstone, what other moves have been around a while and are now named after a wrestler or their gimmick, instead of whatever it was originally called? Sharpshooter is one, what was the Crippler Crossface called before Benoit if anything? I always liked that they called it the Spicolli Driver in ECW after he passed away, but it never really stuck except with nerds I guess. Rings of Saturn probably falls into that Crippler Crossface category? I don't know what that thing would have been called before he used it, but that's the only thing I know to call it. Diamond Cutter is called way more than the Ace Cutter, but what was it even called before it was the Ace Cutter? Just a Cutter?
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Oct 23, 2019 15:52
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Ganso Bomb posted:I always liked that they called it the Spicolli Driver in ECW after he passed away, but it never really stuck except with nerds I guess. Johnny Ace called it the Ace Crusher/Crusher. It was only after DDP that people started calling it a cutter.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:55
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Speaking of the Tombstone, what other moves have been around a while and are now named after a wrestler or their gimmick, instead of whatever it was originally called? Sharpshooter is one, what was the Crippler Crossface called before Benoit if anything? The Ace Crusher -> Diamond Cutter comes to mind
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Ganso Bomb posted:Diamond Cutter is called way more than the Ace Cutter, but what was it even called before it was the Ace Cutter? Just a Cutter? I always think of it as an Ace Crusher purely because that's what Homicide called it, I assume from watching Johnny Ace in All Japan on tapes. And if that's good enough for Homicide it's good enough for me.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:58
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Speaking of the Tombstone, what other moves have been around a while and are now named after a wrestler or their gimmick, instead of whatever it was originally called? Sharpshooter is one, what was the Crippler Crossface called before Benoit if anything? It was just called a crossface(crossface neck crank/crossface facelock) iirc.
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Daniel Bryan’s crossface was the “LeBell Lock” for a while before becoming the “Yes/No Lock;” I’m assuming it would have continued to be the “Crippler Crossface” if Benoit hadn’t Benoit’d. Edit: the Rock Bottom, Stunner, Pedigree, etc.; the Attitude Era names for moves seem to be the ones that stick the longest. BodyMassageMachine fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 23, 2019 16:20
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Bryan's move has always been slightly different, though; it's a crossface from an omoplata setup.
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On the flip side, not many people give the chokeslam a name. It's usually just called a chokeslam.
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Oct 23, 2019 18:26
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Blast Fantasto posted:Johnny Ace called it the Ace Crusher/Crusher. It was only after DDP that people started calling it a cutter. Derp, Ace Crusher not Cutter. Shows how much DDP did to change the perception of that move and who is most associated with it at first thought for many of us.
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Oct 23, 2019 18:50
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Excalibur would call it a Ace Crusher in PWG idk if he still is in aew
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Oct 23, 2019 18:57
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Move name preference question: clothesline or lariat?
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Oct 23, 2019 18:58
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They're different things. That being said, lariat.
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:They're different things. That being said, lariat. I've never been 100% clear on the difference.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I've never been 100% clear on the difference. a lariat is what Stan Hansen used to kill fools back in the day. (note: Stan Hansen loving owned)
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Oct 23, 2019 19:04
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Hellblazer187 posted:I've never been 100% clear on the difference. A clothesline is when you stick your arm out and don't move it and someone runs into it. You can do a standing clothesline or a diving one from the top rope or a running one. A lariat is when you throw your arm at someone. JBL's Clothesline from Hell is the best example of an actual lariat. Also it's fun to yell LARIATOOOOOOOOOOOOO  
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Oct 23, 2019 19:08
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BodyMassageMachine posted:Move name preference question: clothesline or lariat? lariatoooo
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Oct 23, 2019 19:08
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Speaking of the Tombstone, what other moves have been around a while and are now named after a wrestler or their gimmick, instead of whatever it was originally called? Sharpshooter is one, what was the Crippler Crossface called before Benoit if anything? Liontamer has seemingly taken over for elevated crab. Vader Bomb for the second rope corner slingshot splash. Hurricanrana & Frankensteiner for their respective headscissor takedowns.
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Oct 23, 2019 19:09
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the Irish whip used to be a guys finishing move
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Oct 23, 2019 19:14
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I always assumed JBL’s lariat looked good because he hit dudes as hard as he could
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Oct 23, 2019 19:20
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jesus WEP posted:I always assumed JBL’s lariat looked good because he hit dudes as hard as he could Yeah, he very much followed the Hansen rule of “just steamroll them with your bicep and let god sort it out”, although that Heathgif (  ) shows him working it real soft
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oldskool posted:Vader Bomb for the second rope corner slingshot splash.
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Oct 23, 2019 19:41
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frankenfreak posted:Is that what they call it now? That's so cool!
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Oct 23, 2019 20:08
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:A clothesline is when you stick your arm out and don't move it and someone runs into it.... A lariat is when you throw your arm at someone. i always think that this is a bit of a retcon and originally the difference was whether it happened in the WWF or WCW
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Oct 23, 2019 20:29
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shiksa posted:the Irish whip used to be a guys finishing move the original irish whip was more like an ippon seoi than what we call an irish whip now
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Thinking about Seth and Fiend and how lame ot really was, I want to know some real blood feuds or rivalries that had real heat and satisfying and beliavable end?
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remember when Bray could have been a legit main event guy, but he never loving won an important match
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Oct 23, 2019 20:45
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The Cameo posted:Yeah, he very much followed the Hansen rule of “just steamroll them with your bicep and let god sort it out”, although that Heathgif ( At least in Hansen's "defense" he's practically blind without glasses so he just throws his arm hoping to connect with something.
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Randaconda posted:remember when Bray could have been a legit main event guy, but he never loving won an important match
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Alaois posted:the original irish whip was more like an ippon seoi than what we call an irish whip now
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Oct 23, 2019 20:50
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and don't even get me started on what passes for an ura nage in pro wresting these days
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TheCool69 posted:Thinking about Seth and Fiend and how lame ot really was, I want to know some real blood feuds or rivalries that had real heat and satisfying and beliavable end? Undertaker destroyed Edge in an awesome match and followed it up by throwing him into Hell.
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