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Cojawfee posted:Did it ever occur to you that the conversations you're expecting might have already happened and now people want to speculate about something else? These shows are over 20 years old. After a while, people tend to move on into other topics besides what themes a specific episode had. What's the point of discussing the same show for years on end if people are only allowed to discuss the topics you deem appropriate? If you're not interested in a conversation, you can just not post about it. Baronjutter posted:Also stuff like the failure of capitalism and our desperate need to enact alternatives is an extremely topical and pressing social issue of the day, speculating how the society of a utopian scifi society is a very on-point discussion. That core premise that "humans can be better" at the centre of trek probably the greatest topic of conversation regarding the series. Instead of trying to glean tiny nuggets of political economy out of an old TV show by trying to reconcile Kirk's "These people still use money!" with Scotty's "just bought a boat", you could read like, Lenin or something. I absolutely promise you it's more effective.
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Cojawfee posted:If you're not interested in a conversation, you can just not post about it.
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Arglebargle III posted:I mean, command economies functioned. Not super well, but they functioned. It's not like everyone in the Soviet Union was starving to death. It's less of a leap to think that they ironed out the problems in a system that functioned poorly than in a system that was a catastrophe. The chief problem with command economies isn't that they function poorly, although they do. It's that it's inherently dehumanizing, and the poor functioning is a symptom. I find it hard to reconcile that in a culture as free as the Earth in Star Trek seems to be, people could willingly subordinate themselves to such control. If you could somehow create a system that everyone was convinced was completely fair and genuinely in everyone's best interests, down to the individual level, it could work. But if such a system existed it would be necessarily one step from dystopian totalitarianism.
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Okay, we have endless technical manuals. I think the time has come for Paramount to issue the officially-licensed Federation Economic Manifesto.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Okay, we have endless technical manuals. I think the time has come for Paramount to issue the officially-licensed Federation Economic Manifesto. A very thick hardcover binding, a single page inside. You open it and see a single line: "There's nothing here, it's just like, whatever man, no money, be cool to everyone else, do what you want, there's no scarcity here man so just do what you want"
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The only thing scarce in this society is information on how it even works.
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Which is for the best.
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Cojawfee posted:The only thing scarce in this society is information on how it even works. It works very well, thank you.
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Astroman posted:Would wear McCoy's leather jacket every cold day IRL... Between that jacket and his TMP Parisian nightsuit, I'm convinced that whenever the script called for McCoy to be in civvies De Kelley just showed up in whatever was in his personal closet that day.
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The non-existence of money wouldn't be communism or socialism, it would be something else entirely. Kind of hard to imagine because economic systems are all we've known. The question of "would someone really do X for free?" is flawed because it still presupposes that money = motivation. People do have natural inclinations and personality traits that steer them towards certain roles. Think about any gathering of friends where there's no particular financial imbalance involved. There's not really any "scarcity" so to speak, but there are still needs that have to be met somehow, and people gravitate towards the responsibilities that best suit them. It's not like there's only one thing that everyone wants to be.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Between that jacket and his TMP Parisian nightsuit, I'm convinced that whenever the script called for McCoy to be in civvies De Kelley just showed up in whatever was in his personal closet that day. I swear I've seen stuff that says yes, he absolutely did. The one with the medallion and flares was 100% him, whichever film that was in.
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Zurui posted:When I was in my early twenties I loved waiting tables. If things like "rent" and "tips" and "capitalist performance expectations" didn't exist I probably would have done it part-time for the better part of a decade. Yeah I feel like people just automatically assume that every job in the space future would be 40 hours or more a week like today. Maybe those guys are only working at Siskos for a few hours a day a couple days a week.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:51
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Somehow those TOS film civilian outfits are still better than the weird poo poo on TNG/DS9/Voyager
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HorseLord posted:Scotty's "just bought a boat" Maybe that's a future-slang corruption of "dropped the kids off at the pool."
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FlamingLiberal posted:Somehow those TOS film civilian outfits are still better than the weird poo poo on TNG/DS9/Voyager What the hell are you talking about? 
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TBH if money were no object we'd probably have more artists and teachers and fewer bankers and salesmen.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:gently caress sign me up Anyone remember that TNG porno from a few years ago that was notable for having a more interesting continuation of Tasha's story than Sela? There's a scene in there where Data pulls out, finishes, and then just puts it back in and keeps going because he's literally a machine. I actually laughed when I saw it. Also laughed that, if I remember correctly, Geordie still can't do better than a hologram.
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Cat Hatter posted:Anyone remember that TNG porno from a few years ago that was notable for having a more interesting continuation of Tasha's story than Sela? There's a scene in there where Data pulls out, finishes, and then just puts it back in and keeps going because he's literally a machine. I actually laughed when I saw it. Also laughed that, if I remember correctly, Geordie still can't do better than a hologram. Oh yeah I remember the buzz about this. People were saying it was a better fan project more faithful to TNG canon than just about anything that's come out since. Like someone just wanted to make a fan episode but the only way they could get funding was by making it a porn.
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Oct 25, 2019 17:16
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Star Trek is a depiction of the cryptocurrency economy. Everyone just runs mining rigs.
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All the subspace transmissions for solving the blockchain are doing irreparable damage to subspace, putting warp travel in jeopardy.
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Baronjutter posted:Oh yeah I remember the buzz about this. People were saying it was a better fan project more faithful to TNG canon than just about anything that's come out since. Like someone just wanted to make a fan episode but the only way they could get funding was by making it a porn. Greatest Generation did a review of it either for Greatest Discovery off season or for Greatest Generation donation content, one or the other, where they took it somewhat seriously and they couldn't stop laughing the entire time about how accurate it was. The guy who plays Picard is even some fan production guy, not a porn actor, who takes it really seriously.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah I feel like people just automatically assume that every job in the space future would be 40 hours or more a week like today. Maybe those guys are only working at Siskos for a few hours a day a couple days a week. Yeah, we look at guys like that and figure, "why would anyone want to be a waiter in the space future if they don't get paid?" Maybe that's just a small part of their life. Maybe they spend a few hours at Sisko's busing tables because it's a good way to meet people and feel of service in a cool environment. Then the rest of the time they're authors, artists, scientists, or wherever their passion lies. I met a guy working as a barista in Brooklyn once who was a successful surgeon, and taking the coffee shop gig was literally his way of relaxing. Some people like to stay busy.
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Admiral Picard’s uniform: https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1187732266413363204
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Where do I get it DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION, ANSWER ME NOW It’s by a dude I follow on Instagram, Deep Space Nineties. All his stuff is sold out right now but he’s about to do another big batch for all of the stickers. The_Doctor posted:Admiral Picard’s uniform: That looks like one of the weirder TNG Season 1-2 Admiral uniforms before they figured out a unified design and I think I dig it.
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Only one starfleet delta on the whole thing? Pass.
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Noise Complaint posted:The guy who plays Picard is even some fan production guy, not a porn actor, who takes it really seriously. According to Fashion It So, he played Picard's face but there was someone else playing his... uh... other parts. https://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/post/5550581072/special-report-star-trek-the-next-generation-a ^^^ Description and review of the entire porn parody. Link is 100% work-safe, believe it or not.
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Wait, you make a TNG porn, and you don't call it, "Star Trek: The Next Penetration"? What's wrong with these people?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Yeah, we look at guys like that and figure, "why would anyone want to be a waiter in the space future if they don't get paid?" Maybe that's just a small part of their life. Maybe they spend a few hours at Sisko's busing tables because it's a good way to meet people and feel of service in a cool environment. Then the rest of the time they're authors, artists, scientists, or wherever their passion lies. I met a guy working as a barista in Brooklyn once who was a successful surgeon, and taking the coffee shop gig was literally his way of relaxing. Some people like to stay busy. Also the waiter is probably fully empowered to tell a guest who's being an rear end in a top hat to them to get the gently caress out. What's the worst that can happen? It's not like our hellworld where they might not be able to make rent if they get fired or decide to quit.
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Epicurius posted:Wait, you make a TNG porn, and you don't call it, "Star Trek: The Next Penetration"? What's wrong with these people? At some point, we lost the tradition of clever names for porn parodies, and they all just became [NAME OF THING]: the XXX parody. I guess it's more google-able or something that way, but it's still kind of sad.  The Hunt for Pink October and Edward Penishands.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
I like that it looks like it's made of fabric and not that weird rubbery poo poo they make superhero costumes out of these days
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Epicurius posted:Wait, you make a TNG porn, and you don't call it, "Star Trek: The Next Penetration"? What's wrong with these people? Be the change you want to see in the world. Powered Descent posted:At some point, we lost the tradition of clever names for porn parodies, and they all just became [NAME OF THING]: the XXX parody. I guess it's more google-able or something that way, but it's still kind of sad. Still better than "Not [NAME OF THING]"
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The_Doctor posted:Admiral Picard’s uniform: I'm not sure I like that it's un-tucked.
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Kinda reminds me of the original Star Trek Online uniform, before they switched to the Odyssey uniform.
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Snorb posted:Kinda reminds me of the original Star Trek Online uniform, before they switched to the Odyssey uniform. I always thought the top-right uniform in this pic was really solid. I used to change the overall color scheme to maroon and white and the accents to division colors and they looked vaguely like 24th century versions of the TOS movie jackets with a little bit of McCoy’s 3 & 4 jacket thrown in.
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Are those one piece jumpsuit* uniforms easier to make or something? It looked alright for cheap low res TV costuming, but I think it would be cool to incorporate more layers and texture. The DS9/TNG-movie uniforms had the nice mock neck with jacket on top that I thought looked the best. * They're actually a top and bottom, but same difference
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Timby posted:I'm not sure I like that it's un-tucked. How else is he doing to do The Thing?
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Been watching TNG (for the first time ever). and I think my favourite episode so far is S05E25 "The Inner Light". Honestly I think it could be an independent small novel without any tie-ins to Star Trek. When I roughly realized where it was going I legitimately teared up a little. I almost feel like it made an argument for the worth of human/subjective experience in studying/experiencing history or an entire civilization, although obviously "objective bias/point of view" has definitely its merits. I do wonder how people doing history in academics feel about this argument, even if there's necessarily no right/wrong answer. Obviously there are moral issues basically forcing someone to live 40 years in "a prison", even if it's fulfilling, but that's beside the point I feel like the episode was a good example of the benefits of episodic nature of the show in comparison to modern shows where there's usually way more plot spanning between episodes. Talking of episodic nature of the show I have to comment on S06E4 "Relics", where I feel it's kind of preposterous that they find a Dyson sphere, which is even commented by Scotty to be marvelous work of engineering, and it's never explored again in the franchise again even though you could (maybe wrongly) argue that civilization is/was more advanced than anything within the Federation. What I'm saying I'd totally read a novel about space archeologists studying the internals of this Dyson sphere, though the logistics would probably be difficult and the effort dangerous thanks to the star being unstable. The matte paintings? of the internals of the sphere were definitely imagination inducing. edit: Once I'm done with TNG I'm either gonna start looking at the films or DS9. I basically just remember the new trilogy, Khan and... something about a campfire and row your boat. Not sure watching TOS is worth it. Dessel fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Oct 25, 2019 |
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Glad you enjoyed it, The Inner Light is generally regarded as a classic for good reason. Also, DS9 does a twist on it that is exactly the "mind prison" concept you mentioned.
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Go on to DS9. You can watch movies whenever. TOS is... not great, but if you become enough of a moron like the rest of us you will have to watch everything.
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