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theflyingorc posted:u r the person I argue needs to leave earth lol
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evil_bunnY posted:One of my fav keepsakes is an ancient wheelio widget you roll on a map and it tells you the distance and whatever scale with a watch-like dial and hand. I have one of those in the boat, it's easier to use for estimating a distance through an archipelago than trying to plot out a route with waypoints on the GPS we use the gps for basically all navigation ofc but the paper charts are still v nice for planning and a bigger picture look. can't exactly get an A2 sized screen in the boat.
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Oct 28, 2019 23:59
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cracking open the thomas guide
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Oct 29, 2019 00:00
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using the thomas guide to plot my route to compUSA 
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Oct 29, 2019 00:01
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Smythe posted:using the thomas guide to plot my route to compUSA Nice
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Oct 29, 2019 00:04
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Sagebrush posted:i don't think a lot of people have map literacy either. like they know what a map is and like "oh, this is a map of new york" but if you tell them okay you are here, now point yourself to face the empire state building, they won't be able to do it. and forget about more advanced skills like estimating distances why would you expect a random forbidden zone resident to know what cross streets and address the empire state building is at? and even if you told them the address, why expect them to get the right idea of where nyc street numbering starts so that they don't look far to the northwest or southeast based on where the numbering starts in other cities?
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Oct 29, 2019 00:15
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One thing that bugs me really hard is people that can't read a map or orient. Like, god drat, it's denver. look for mountains. that's a straight line of hills visible from anywhere, they run north/south and they are to the west. combined with the sun you should be able to at least eke out cardinals
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Oct 29, 2019 00:19
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What was the last funny or lovely thing Elon did. Or can we get more of that anonymous celebrity billionaiare stuff
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Oct 29, 2019 00:30
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The satellites thing pisses me off on a caveman level- gently caress that, there's no reason one person should be able to destroy Earth based astronomy like that. loving bullshit.
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Oct 29, 2019 00:31
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either the pedo guy deposition or the sloar city acquisition deposition. he gets really mad when he has to so directly comply with someone's direction which reverses his usual social dynamic. hopefully there's something good in the upcoming 10-q that puts their recent earnings announcement into perspective because it looks crazy af
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Oct 29, 2019 00:33
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:The satellites thing pisses me off on a caveman level- gently caress that, there's no reason one person should be able to destroy Earth based astronomy like that. loving bullshit. we're not anything close to that and any graph that uses one pixel per object will be incredibly misleading
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Oct 29, 2019 00:34
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fishmech posted:why would you expect a random forbidden zone resident to know what cross streets and address the empire state building is at? no, i mean point on the map where they are and where the empire state building is and tell them to turn to face it. most people can't translate map orientation into real-world orientation and then extrapolate a bearing.
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Oct 29, 2019 00:35
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Sagebrush posted:no, i mean point on the map where they are and where the empire state building is and tell them to turn to face it. most people can't translate map orientation into real-world orientation and then extrapolate a bearing. I never understood how people can't extrapolate that since I could since I was a kid and so did my family, but I also had a weird moment when a friend asked me for the time, I shown her my watch and " I can't read analog watches".
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Oct 29, 2019 01:00
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Sagebrush posted:no, i mean point on the map where they are and where the empire state building is and tell them to turn to face it. most people can't translate map orientation into real-world orientation and then extrapolate a bearing. But can they figure out course over ground?
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Oct 29, 2019 01:13
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A public good like the GPS constellation pre-empts there being market that could otherwise be exploited. So deny use of the Navstar system ~somehow~ and build their own poo poo-rear end ground-based LORAN network. That's already what farming has; the accuracy of GPS alone isn't sufficient to let a machine know its traveling down the middle of 30-inch rows at 7.5 mph. So companies sell an "RTK" correction signal as a subscription to get reliable positioning within a couple of inches.
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Oct 29, 2019 01:21
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Smythe posted:using the thomas guide to plot my route to compUSA fodor's guide to MicroCenters
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Sagebrush posted:no, i mean point on the map where they are and where the empire state building is and tell them to turn to face it. most people can't translate map orientation into real-world orientation and then extrapolate a bearing. idk man its pretty hard to tell most people to orient to an object beyond the horizon that is probably your problem. have you tried using landmarks they can actually see?
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Oct 29, 2019 01:53
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fishmech posted:idk man its pretty hard to tell most people to orient to an object beyond the horizon that is probably your problem. have you tried using landmarks they can actually see? don't tempt him or else he'll start sharing more fake african stories
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Oct 29, 2019 02:01
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quote:Elon Musk will have to go to trial in December after a federal judge rebuffed his latest request to throw out a defamation lawsuit filed by a U.K. caver after Musk referred to him as a “pedo guy.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-28/elon-musk-headed-to-trial-over-british-caver-s-defamation-claims
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Oct 29, 2019 02:10
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fishmech posted:idk man its pretty hard to tell most people to orient to an object beyond the horizon that is probably your problem. have you tried using landmarks they can actually see? it sounds like you're agreeing with sagebrush, that most people can't look at a map and identify "if i'm here, and i want to go to this other place, i should go in this direction"
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qirex posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-28/elon-musk-headed-to-trial-over-british-caver-s-defamation-claims 
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Jabor posted:it sounds like you're agreeing with sagebrush, that most people can't look at a map and identify "if i'm here, and i want to go to this other place, i should go in this direction" that's not what he said, but i also definitely don't agree with the alternate thing you're saying here. he specifically said "turn to face it".
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Oct 29, 2019 02:21
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Oh we're doing this bit again.
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Oct 29, 2019 02:25
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oh man this one has the potential to make the record books
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Oct 29, 2019 02:26
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face stymie and walk backward into fishmech
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Oct 29, 2019 02:32
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Just came over from the fun at the tech bubble thread, ready for this here 
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fishmech posted:that's not what he said, but i also definitely don't agree with the alternate thing you're saying here. if you have a map and someone sticks tacks in it to indicate your location and a target location, "reading the map" means that you can use the map to orient yourself and face/walk towards/point at the target location with some accuracy. that's like the most fundamental orienteering skill there is. most people cannot do this. pointing at something you can already see is not the same as reading a map, obviously.
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Oct 29, 2019 02:37
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for fishmech the map is the territory, much as the memory of the partially speed read wikipedia article is the iron bound fact of the universe as it stands
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Oct 29, 2019 02:40
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Sagebrush posted:if you have a map and someone sticks tacks in it to indicate your location and a target location, "reading the map" means that you can use the map to orient yourself and face/walk towards/point at the target location with some accuracy. that's like the most fundamental orienteering skill there is. actually most people can do this. especially with the empire state building, in manhattan, with a street plan that is mostly not seeking to actively disorient you like say, the hellsprawl known as silicon valley. i mean olds often can't, but that's because they have a very high proportion of the actually illiterate.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:What was the last funny or lovely thing Elon did. Or can we get more of that anonymous celebrity billionaiare stuff unfortunately for the lols he seems to be (mostly) taking the sec seriously now so it’s just been his big standard mealy mouthed bullshit which is just disappointing rather than funny
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iospace posted:But can they figure out course over ground? depends on how close to the North Pole they are
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PIZZA.BAT posted:just disappointing rather than funny
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if you have never seen someone hold a map and struggle with the idea that East is not always right and West always left, then I don't know. There are tons of people who seemingly can't properly re-orient their frame when what looks like "forwards" for them looking at the map (usually North) does not map with what is "in front of them" in the real world. Hence most GPS units and map apps rotating the frame of reference of the whole map to match the one of the car by default.
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Every 40 seconds a voice in my head asks me if I can state my exact heading, whether indoors, on the toilet, at my gaming rig, or on the bus. After years of conditioning myself I am always 100% accurately aware of where north is, as well as the current arc of the sun and moon. I sit down at my desk job and imagine the coming resource apocalypse. Like the Roman empire’s failing Tin and Metal exports, soon we too will eat each other alive in a ravenous orgy of tribal survival and resource claiming. But when I’m bleeding out at the hands of 13 preteens I couldn’t bring myself to shoot with my EDC, I’ll at least know what direction I’m facing.
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Oct 29, 2019 03:24
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The Russians used a compass
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MononcQc posted:if you have never seen someone hold a map and struggle with the idea that East is not always right and West always left, then I don't know. There are tons of people who seemingly can't properly re-orient their frame when what looks like "forwards" for them looking at the map (usually North) does not map with what is "in front of them" in the real world. There are also billions of people who don't mentally shut down while looking at maps. Also even the people you complain about being too slow or something can handle following the map once they put some effort into it, take a good look around etc.
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fishmech posted:There are also billions of people who don't mentally shut down while looking at maps. Also even the people you complain about being too slow or something can handle following the map once they put some effort into it, take a good look around etc. can you read a map?
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Oct 29, 2019 06:56
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This thread is just a few hot takes away from discovering the pocket compass and soon, the trip meter.
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just use your analogue wristwatch instead of a compass
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